BS27R1B409004 compared to BS37R1B269563

[RzeroB]

Actually BS27R1B409004 IS 100% the "real deal".

Like BS27R1B269563 (and Tom Lembeck's BS27R1B175215), it is a French export car. Like BS37R1B269563 it is also white with a black interior. Unlike BS27R1B269563 it IS a genuine HemiCuda convertible and is currently owned by the mysterious "Brothers" collection. 


BS27R1B269563 on the other hand is a rebodied reincarnation of what was allegedly a real '71 HemiCuda 'vert.

Per shipping documents a new car bearing this VIN was exported to France in 1971. At some point it was converted to an automatic then destroyed in a garage fire and then unceremoniously scrapped. The only thing that survived from the original car is the transmission that had been removed for the conversion to automatic. That transmission is allegedly installed in the current rebodied version of the car. So if you went by weight this car might be somewhere around 03% original (100lb transmission / 3400lb car = 03%) and 97% rebodied clone??

[cuda hunter]

Cool.  So the zero percent is an incorrect depiction.
That is interesting that the actual original transmission is in the car.
It does give the car a little better standing.

[chris NOS]

Cool.  So the zero percent is an incorrect depiction.
That is interesting that the actual original transmission is in the car.
It does give the car a little better standing.

The transmission is not in the car , it still exist in France but the guy who owns it did not agree to sale it to the 3 friends who decided to do the reconstruction.He was expecting a huge amount for it ...
And yes the vin is not 409004 and you should change the title of the post because it's a shame to put a shadow on the legitimate car .

[torredcuda]

Facebook is great for seeing a lot of pics and getting quick answers although probably 75% of them are wrong! Forums are much better for good tech questions and correct answers, cuda-challenger isn`t working at all for me, Moparts has been dead for years, I get more responces here than FEBO for questions as they seem to be mostly buy and sell posts there, FBBO is a very active forum and I have been on there more lately due to being heavy into the restoration of my road runner but I still try to check in and post here a lot.

[cuda hunter]

Cool.  So the zero percent is an incorrect depiction.
That is interesting that the actual original transmission is in the car.
It does give the car a little better standing.

The transmission is not in the car , it still exist in France but the guy who owns it did not agree to sale it to the 3 friends who decided to do the reconstruction.He was expecting a huge amount for it ...
And yes the vin is not 409004 and you should change the title of the post because it's a shame to put a shadow on the legitimate car .

Ok.  So that transmission information is the first I have heard of it.  I'm here for discussion.  What should I call the car?
  I only call it the zero percent car because that is what it is called in numerous circles in the mopar world and all over the internet. 
  Should it be the 3% car?  Or just no name?   It's called the zero percent car because there are no original features of the original car located on the car any longer. 
 
  I'll change the name of this thread.  Doesn't bother me at all.  But I need to understand what I am changing it to.

[Mr Cuda]

 It's the recreated Cuda.
 

[chris NOS]

If you check this video on YOUTUBE at 0.33 , you ll see the CHRYSLER vin number plate from 409004 .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS5Os6RxzWk

This is the car that 's in the brother collection, when bought in France car had no Hemi in it and no fender tag.
409004 Is 100% legit original body.

the car you wanted to call the 0% CUDA  is the one build By CCR In Quebec. BS27R1B269563

[JH27N0B]

The other controversial 71 hemi cuda convertible is the one that only the cowel and a door still existed, and a restoration was done based on just those 2 parts from the original car!
It is FC7 and I think Harold Sullivan commissioned that project.
And if memory serves it got sold at a Mecum auction over 10 years ago and despite its history still sold for over a million.
Correction, it was a Barrett Jackson auction it sold at.
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1079713_rare-1971-plymouth-hemi-cuda-convertible-heads-to-auction

[RzeroB]

Cool.  So the zero percent is an incorrect depiction.
That is interesting that the actual original transmission is in the car.
It does give the car a little better standing.

The transmission is not in the car , it still exist in France but the guy who owns it did not agree to sale it to the 3 friends who decided to do the reconstruction.He was expecting a huge amount for it ...
And yes the vin is not 409004 and you should change the title of the post because it's a shame to put a shadow on the legitimate car .

Ok.  So that transmission information is the first I have heard of it.  I'm here for discussion.  What should I call the car?
  I only call it the zero percent car because that is what it is called in numerous circles in the mopar world and all over the internet. 
  Should it be the 3% car?  Or just no name?   It's called the zero percent car because there are no original features of the original car located on the car any longer. 
 
  I'll change the name of this thread.  Doesn't bother me at all.  But I need to understand what I am changing it to.

Cool.  So the zero percent is an incorrect depiction.
That is interesting that the actual original transmission is in the car.
It does give the car a little better standing.

The transmission is not in the car , it still exist in France but the guy who owns it did not agree to sale it to the 3 friends who decided to do the reconstruction.He was expecting a huge amount for it ...
And yes the vin is not 409004 and you should change the title of the post because it's a shame to put a shadow on the legitimate car .

Cool.  So the zero percent is an incorrect depiction.
That is interesting that the actual original transmission is in the car.
It does give the car a little better standing.

The transmission is not in the car , it still exist in France but the guy who owns it did not agree to sale it to the 3 friends who decided to do the reconstruction.He was expecting a huge amount for it ...
And yes the vin is not 409004 and you should change the title of the post because it's a shame to put a shadow on the legitimate car .

Ok.  So that transmission information is the first I have heard of it.  I'm here for discussion.  What should I call the car?
  I only call it the zero percent car because that is what it is called in numerous circles in the mopar world and all over the internet. 
  Should it be the 3% car?  Or just no name?   It's called the zero percent car because there are no original features of the original car located on the car any longer. 
 
  I'll change the name of this thread.  Doesn't bother me at all.  But I need to understand what I am changing it to.

I learned something today from @chris NOS . I was under the impression that the transmission was in the car. Apparently it is not. Thanks @chris NOS for the update! Therefore my earlier calculations as to the car being approx 03% original is in error. The car is a complete rebodied recreation. Josh, your first title of "zero percent" now seems to be the correct title for it. Since BS27R1B409004 is the "real deal" in all fairness it may be best to simply remove it from this thread and start a new thread for it called "The 100% Cuda" or something to that effect?

[chris NOS]

Honestly , i would ask you in respect for the 3 friends that invested a lot of money in this recreation, to change the post for : " BS37R1B269563 the Reconstruction of a French Hemi Cuda "
Like this everybody will know which car we are talking about !
409004 is a different car, the one in The brother collection, i hope it's clear now ...

I don't understand why there is so much bashing on this car , for exemple a reconstruction of this Bugatti is well known:

http://bugattirevue.com/revue53/esders.htm

There is so many other exemple like this , it's not the original car , it's been destroyed ,now existing a replica of it .
Nobody trys to sale it for the original car. 

[cuda hunter]

I don't understand the bashing either.  I just copied and pasted a fakebook post. 

So the name was changed but the focus is still the same.

Without having the fake BS37R1B269563 tag on this thread then the entire thread is useless aside from mentioning these issues. 

Can someone please post up the tag for BS37R1B269563. 

[chris NOS]

it's up on first post 

Presentation of the car in Canada :

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q70/922/KyUZTi.jpg

[cuda hunter]

Ah, yes of course.  I did post that. haha.

Great to know that info. 
Would love to see more details of either car since we are talking about them. 

So, the 563 has a totally bogus tag.   That is the zero percent cuda then? 

The 004 is a correct restoration of a car that actually exists and has the majority of it's parts then? 

[chris NOS]

Ah, yes of course.  I did post that. haha.

Great to know that info. 
Would love to see more details of either car since we are talking about them. 

So, the 563 has a totally bogus tag.  That is the zero percent cuda then? 

The 004 is a correct restoration of a car that actually exists and has the majority of it's parts then? 

Yes,004 has its original Hemi Cuda Convertible body,(but fender tag is a repro too on this car).
yes 563 is the reconstruction car and fender tag is not an original,
it's been destroyed with the whole car a long time ago.

I m puting here the picture from the vidéo on youtube i posted up of the 004  Chrysler tag

[HP2]

When I started using the web regularly back in the early '90s, Moparts was the single best mopar  site around. I've stuck with it since then, through its ups and downs, server changes, and membership changes. Watched its membership change over time and have seen a lot of knowledge pass away or simple go away. In its beginning, it was based out of Dallas, so there was a bit of a TX, good old boy clique to it, but the knowledge was there and people would engage with nearly any question, debate was lively, but not over the top, and its was really decent. Over time, it has evolved into a little less knowledgeable and more of a snide and snarky place with some of the newer membership, but there is still some decent conversation there. The tech archives are great. Fortunately when they create the politics forum, it created a space for some of the more asinine members to shovel their conspiracy theories and play with their clique crap. Fortunately, IMO, this has cut down on a lot of the BS in the car forums. I typically stay out of the unmoderated part of the forum, but the few times I've visited, it has caused me to loose a lot of respect for some members, so I almost never go there.

I  do visit For Only in the A, E, and occasionally B sites. Never checked in at the C body site. All of these seem reasonably active. I don't  have as much time to type into a forum these days, so my participation is somewhat limited. The A bodies swap meet area seems really active and since I recently picked up a Duster, I've been hanging out there a bit. The knowledge base in all of these does not strike me to be as broad as Moparts, and there seems to be a lot more niche knowledge about some things while  other areas are rather sparse. I never have been to any of their unmoderated forums so I can't say that they have a liberal bias. I see there is some overt conservative sniping in some of the car forums on occasion, but I don't read much into that other than being a reflection of our currently highly divided, keyboard warrior society.

I was very active on the Cuda-Challenger site and moved over here as it came up in prominence and CC.com dropped in traffic. I think Cody has done a great job of duplicating much of what was good about CC.com while creating a unique site that is enjoyable to browse and has great technical resources for E body owners. Sure, sometimes it gets less traffic, but that doesn't bother me much. Fall and into the  end of year holidays sees a lot of outside the web activities for people, so I'm  not surprised to see traffic on websites drop a bit. Mid-January it will start to pick up again, I'm betting.

Does posting all the vin tag info create engagement, well, it does seem to create some activity. Seeing how most of them have 30-40 views and no comments, I'd say the majority of them aren't too interesting to most people. There are some that seem to carry some controversy or curiosity and thus encourage some talk, but most don't. Don't know that consolidating them all would work well for those conversations.  On the other hand, I would say if I was posting a for sale or wanted ad that was getting pushed to the bottom of the list for a lot of vin posts that don't generate engagement, I'd be a bit miffed. In any case, the vin postings did create what you thought it would, increased posting activity.

Thanks for this diversion, we will now return to our regularly scheduled vin conversation.