Electric cars resale value

[torredcuda]

      Upgrading the grid as far as plants, sub stations, lines etc. is the easy part but figuring out how to produce the electricity from "clean" sources isn`t going to be that simple.

[chargerdon]

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. Sure once they are more popular, we spend billions in new infrastructure and charging stations and the technology can evenly compete with ICE vehicles they will become more accepted, but I don`t see that happening very soon.
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Not happening soon ????   what is soon ?   My friend this is the E-Bodies site...and with the end of the 2023 model year the end of the E-Body.   Solantis is replacing it with the all electric new Charger daytona.    So SOON is real soon.   Hey, todays Challenger SXT starts at around $33,000 a true bargain, and the RT starts at around $42 and quickly goes up.  R/T Scatpack with the 392 engine starts at $58,000.  Hellcats are i believe around $75.    The new electric Charger will have about the same power as the 392 and is supposedly going to be priced in the mid $40K range while getting 90 E-MPG Equivalent.     

Soon, if you want a new performance Car or SUV its going to have to be electric.   Same is to be said for the Chevy Camaro with 2024 being the last ICE version.   The only hold out american is the Mustang but then that is the ONLY car that Ford still makes.   

IT is coming sooner than you can believe, and I for one believe in our engineers...they WILL find and make electric power plants that are clean.   Today only 11 percent of our power is coal fired, Natural gas is probably the best next short term alternative and this country has tons of natural gas reserves.   

[torredcuda]

New performance vehicles may be going electric but overall vehicle sales are only at 6% - a long way off from "real soon" as far as being mainstream. The new Ford EV truck only towed around 100 miles in a recent test - that is a long way off from being equal with a gas or diesel truck. California has been in a energy shortage crisis for years and they haven`t fixed it, has it got better or worse?

"Using data from most auto brands and EV models, vehicle sales from the industry grew from 2.2% of total sales to 6.1% towards the end of 2022."

[Katfish]

 Has anyone looked into the cost to upgrade electric service to house to charge a car?
I've heard numbers for $10-$20k, is that real?

EV makes sense for local driving, but only if you can charge at home.
I wouldn't think many people would be interested in sitting 30-45 mins while out running errands?

[torredcuda]

"When combining the costs, the total cost for a home Level 2 EV charger can range between $1,000 and $3,000"

[YYZ]

IMHO electric cars should be considered a transitional technology. IMO hydrogen combustion engines are a better substitute for the current gas/diesel regime.

Aside from grid capacity (or lack of same), the weight of EVs is a concern for their impact on the infrastructure, faster tire wear, and impact with other vehicles/pedestrians.

[chargerdon]

Has anyone looked into the cost to upgrade electric service to house to charge a car?
I've heard numbers for $10-$20k, is that real?

EV makes sense for local driving, but only if you can charge at home.
I wouldn't think many people would be interested in sitting 30-45 mins while out running errands?

Scare tactics!!!!! 

Look from what i have read online and in Motor Trend magazine...sure...if your home needs a larger main and new circuit panel prices could easily exceed $5,000.    HOWEVER, most homes have enough spare capacity to put in a simple 220 volt 20 amp wall socket that can handle about 7.6 kilowatts.   That costs about a $100 or near nothing if your panel box is already in your garage and most are. 

National average is 13, 476 miles per year, which is 270 per week or about 55 Miles per day.   Motor Trend says the average EV can add 29 Miles on 9.6 KW, so about 20 kilowatt or less for the 55 miles.   This works out to about 3 hrs at 7.6 kilowatts (20 amps) easily handled overnight, SO, yes, a simple 220 can provide more than enough charging overnight to charge your vehicle.     

My buddy bought a new Chevy Bolt two years ago, and thru some program with his local power company, they installed the level two output box for free...FREE   in his house.   NOW, if you drive say 200 miles per day, then you will need a level 3 charger and they are expensive.   

PS...for those who dont know,  the definitions are:
Level 1 ...is a simple plug into a simple 110 volt 15 amp circuit.  The charging logic is IN the car...   Not in the charging cord.  Typically the Level 1 cord comes WITH the EV as standard equipment.    However, 8 hours overnight using a 110 volt 15 amp outlet can only provide about power to provide maybe 60 miles of range...clearly barely enough..   

Level 2..is again a simple 220 volt charging with again the circuitry built into the CAR...its not like a home battery charger...   its in the car.   Typically most 220 can handle is 20 amp circuitry to give the 7.6 Kilowatts or if you have 30 amp circuits like your home hot water tank, or heat pump, then it can go up to 9.6 Kilowatt.   The cost of most Level 2 Charging cords is a couple of hundred because you will want a 20 ft cord and some electronics in it to show the charge rate...   Most of the cost is in the 20ft heavy duty cord.   Some can cost hundreds more because their programable to recognize the state of charge and to program what time to do the charging to take advantage of off hours cheaper cost per kilowatt most power companies offer.   

Level 3 Chargers were the conversion to DC is done in the charging station and can provide more current than the EV on board system could provide.   They are expensive and require large power...i.e..most homes will need bigger MAIN coming into their homes.   It is here that you might encounter the large electrical expense...BUT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT NEED it.   

The big problem is for renters that cant install a level 2 outlet and have to rely on public charging stations.   

[torredcuda]

My daily driver is a 2018 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi, I am retired now but I was driving 40 miles one way to work. I also drive it anytime I am with the wife and kid whether local, medium trips, vacations far away, towing the 27' camper or my Barracuda in the 24' enclosed trailer to Carlisle. I bought it used for high $30`s with ~30k on it. Please find me a comparable EV for the same money/payment with the same hauling capacity, range etc. with 10 minute "fill ups" - you can`t.

[JH27N0B]

As a lifelong car fan, and one who has spent most of my engineering career in the automotive and truck industry, I am fascinated with how far ICE engine technology has come in the last 50 years.
Looking at the pollution spewing gasoline and diesel engines of a half a century ago, compared to what exists now where emissions are next to nothing is amazing how far technology has come.
Equally amazing is the performance improvement that have taken place in that period. Back in the late 70s and early 80s,  suffering with the feeble performing smog motors of the time, who could have imagined that a time would come where many models of cars would be on the market that would run circles around the muscle cars of the 60s?
Therefore I'm pretty heartbroken seeing all of these advancements getting tossed into the garbage bin with a push towards a power source that is questionable how well it will work for most consumers, and how much benefit to the environment will actually be realized.
I have a 6.4 hemi Ram also and am very impressed with it.  Back in college in the early 80s, I bought a late model '79 Bronco 351 for my daily driver.  It was a cool truck, but got 8-9 mpg and performance wise I think you could say it couldn't pass anything except a gas station! My Bronco had a "trailer special" package, but I never towed anything bigger than a small fishing boat.  I can't imagine what it would have been like towing a RV or car trailer. I had trouble holding speed going up a hill, I wonder if it could have even made it up a hill towing a serious sized trailer?
40 years later with the advancements in ICE power train technology, my 2500 gets as much as 20 mpg highway. And towing a 24' enclosed car trailer with the aerodynamics of a cracker box I get 11 mpg.  Better MPG than my old Bronco got with just a skinny young me in it with a tailwind back in the 80s!
If you look at the HP and torque numbers, the 6.4 hemis power is pretty comparable to the 5.9 Cummins Turbo Diesels around the year 2000.
All that advancement in just 20 years. Amazing!  And it's all getting tossed for something inferior and unproven.   
But scientists assure us this sacrifice will reduce global temperatures by .01° or thereabouts in 50 years thus this is necessary, and us peasants are not to question the logic or something like that.
As I mentioned earlier, I am heartbroken about what is happening. 

[torredcuda]

All that advancement in just 20 years. Amazing!  And it's all getting tossed for something inferior and unproven.   
But scientists assure us this sacrifice will reduce global temperatures by .01° or thereabouts in 50 years thus this is necessary, and us peasants are not to question the logic or something like that.
As I mentioned earlier, I am heartbroken about what is happening. 

My `17 Ram 1500 4x4 had 395, hp over 400 torque, rode like a luxury car and on one highway trip got over 25 mpg - it is probably almost as fast as my Barracuda! But ya lets introduce EVs as an ineffiecient, impractical mode of transportation and force them down our throats with the premise they are going to save the enviroment - ya OK! 

[Brads70]

As far as the question on resale value..... I have never been one to follow the masses as the old saying goes...sometimes the "m" is silent  but I can't see my self ever buying a used EV  but that's just me...
I'm all for building a better mousetrap but I don't see this as being it?  Hydrogen maybe?

[cuda hunter]

I just drove 28 hours with a small nap in the middle.  10 minute fill ups, piss and food.   Carlisle was great.  Would be nice if I was a rich person who doesn't care about spending 45 minutes or however long to charge the batteries, 7 times on my way to carlisle.  But time is money and I don't have extra time nor extra money to lounge around and buy sandwich's at the charge stations. 

No time for this ev crap.
That stuff is for city people.  Not rural.  Not for long distance travel. 

I  also wonder where the new electricity is going to come from.  It comes from coal right now.  But we are shutting coal plants down?  How does that all work? 

Being a rural person, I hate seeing the stupid wind turbines everywhere I go now.  Thanks city people.  We out here really appreciate it.  Not. 
My firefighting buddy talks about when he has to go put one of these out from burning. He does a half dozen a year or so in his little service area.   Says all the oil just goes right into the ground.  The grease burns up, the fiberglass burns but all the oil goes into the water system.  Sounds legit right?

If a lawn mower works for 23 years and a new electric one is supposed to last 8 years it seems like that is a scam to me.  Come buy more crap.  More disposable stuff.   How does that compare? 

Electric stuff is nice for people who can't work on their own stuff. 

Batteries are nice on my work tools.  I don't have to be plugged into the infrastructure all the time, only part of the time to charge. 

China owns all the lithium. 

All this for .01 degree?  This global warming crap is ridiculous.  Science tells us different. I"m not discounting the need to stop pollution, chemicals in water systems, plastic everywhere in every living organism on the planet etc. etc. but temperature is just stupid.  How many extinctions have happened?   5.  All had different temperature changes.  There have been a total of 5 ice ages on the planet as well of which we are simply at the end of an ice age that lasted a long time and we are concerned about our little record of time and temperature.  Ridiculous. 

This is gonna be a fight til the end.   
Keep teaching the children all this foolishness and yal might get them to buy in.  I mean, after all they have been taught that we can be 200 genders and men can get pregnant. Great educational system we have teaching these kids.   They will buy right into the chinese purchase scam. 

The big question is, where is all the new electricity going to come from.  No answers.

[MoparLeo]

It sounds like everybody thinks that we will have to turn in our cars next year.
Electric are "scheduled" to phase in, not completely replace ICE .
You can pass legislation all you want but you can't snap your fingers to make it possible.
Many of these rules were passed decades ago and a lot has changed since then.
Infrastructure was never built, technology never caught up to what was expected, the World is wackier now than ever.
Nuclear is the safest form of modern, practical, hi capacity clean energy available. And it can be done now.
Storage has always been the major stumbling block to any renewable. The battery technology hasn't caught up.
You can make all the electricity you want in the day time but if you can't store it, you have a problem in bad weather and night time.
The regulatory agencies are now back pedaling a lot of their mandates because they can't magically make everything work as planned. The oil companies will never go out of business and just like 50-60 year old cars are still around today, todays cars will be still running 50 years from now ( unless we wreck them all) 

[YYZ]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/electric-vehicle-mandates-are-an-assault-on-the-middle-class

[BIGSHCLUNK]

As a recycler, hate them. Lots of labor, special training, special gloves ect.  and most batteries can be hard to get rid of. I'm hearing stories of dealers refusing factory delivery (talking FORD here) as the factory is pushing supply, but just no demand. (tesla price drop as example) I'm guessing if you want one you already have one, but i digress.  As a frequent traveler, I drive to many places within maybe a thousand miles of Milwaukee. I'll be dead before most of these places will accommodate EV's. The infrastructure just isn't there. I'm sure many communities will weigh the cost/benefit/demand equation.   Now let's talk fires. Youtubue got a ton of video on this. A fav is the Tesla that took 80,000 gals of water to put out.... only to start again. Add another 80k gallons... now its up on a rollback and starts again! My neighbor has a Chebbie volt. Our garages are 8 feet apart. I fear for NIKKI everyday. The point is, it's just not the car. Fire departments are ill equpt to handle these types of fires. And in small towns with small budgets and crews.... do the math. I could really go on but I gotta get to work here.