V7X Pinstripe on JH29 1970 Challenger SE (not R/T)

[Cudino]

Hello All. Does anybody know what the V7X longitudinal painted stripe should look like on a JH29 1970 Challenger SE (non-R/T)?  The info on the Hamtramck Historical site seems to suggest two pinstripe versions, one that runs near the top of the fender line, or a second that runs just below the body side crease.  Unfortunately I couldn't find any definitive pictures.  My car is originally FJ5 that was spraybombed black at some point, so I carefully sanded down some of the black and found evidence of pinstriping just below the side body crease, so I believe that must be correct (at least for this car).  See pictures below.  This is an LA-built car with SPD B18, if that information is applicable.  An input would be terrific.

Thanks!
- Wade

[1 Wild R/T]

Some info here...

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=86445.0

[Cudino]

Some info here...

http://www.cuda-challenger.com/cc/index.php?topic=86445.0

Awesome, thanks!  In my Google searches I had come across that thread on CC, but I didn't log into that site so the example picture of the burnt orange car with V7W pinstripe wasn't visible.  Now that I logged on I can see it, and it looks like an exact match to mine.  Cool!

- Wade

[6bblgt]

@Cudino  the engineering drawing is here 

https://www.e-bodies.org/Resources/Engineering_Illustrations/Stripe_Tape_Body_Side_Challenger_70.pdf

@Cuda Cody will have to fix the title ( it's "PAINT" not "TAPE")

[Cudino]

@Cudino  the engineering drawing is here 

https://www.e-bodies.org/Resources/Engineering_Illustrations/Stripe_Tape_Body_Side_Challenger_70.pdf

@Cuda Cody will have to fix the title ( it's "PAINT" not "TAPE")

Oh, that's perfect!!!  The residual stripe on my car seemed to suggest the bottom stripe was wider than the top stripe, but I couldn't tell for sure, and this was a bit unexpected.  The example picture on the CC site looked like both stripes were the same width, so I started to doubt my sanding efforts.  However, this engineering drawing exactly matches what I saw.  Well, at least I think so...  Tomorrow I'll go out with some calipers and compare to be sure, but I bet it'll be a perfect match.  Thanks Dan, and thanks Ebodies.org for posting this reference!

- Wade

[1 Wild R/T]

Awesome! Yes the bottom stripe is wider....

[6bblgt]

 

[JH27N0B]

My '70 Challenger convertible has that pinstripe option.  I have an engineering drawing printed up somewhere, that I found online.  Maybe it was on Barrys site before Chrysler made him take that stuff down.
My friend has a 71 with this option and in 71 the pinstripe is at the top of the fender and door ending below the quarter window.
My car has a tape stripe now, but getting that removed and properly painted on is on my to-do list!

[Cudino]

Thanks again all.  I copied Dan's drawing to a piece of paper and laid it over my fender, see picture below.  To my eye my upper stripe looks like 3/32" as specified, but my bottom stripe looks closer to 3/16" wide instead of the engineering drawing spec of 1/8".  And the engineering drawing shows the top stripe should be just 1/8" below the body character line, but mine is much further away, more like 7/16".  My measurements were taken in the middle of the fender, but I noticed that the stripes do get a little closer to the body line as you move towards the front nose of the fender (although still nowhere near the 1/8" spec).  I guess this lower height could be due to production variations, but I do believe my lower stripe is ~1/16" wider than the engineering spec.  Thoughts?

- Wade

[6bblgt]

@Cudino your Challenger SE must've been early or the LA plant was late in getting "revision D" of the engineering drawing & putting into practice 

the lacquer paint stripes were applied with a Beugler tool or similar https://www.beugler.com/

aided by some sort of fixture - on line it might have been easier mounted a little lower or was used incorrectly, you'd have to find additional examples to see if the 7/16" is common or an oddball - are they the same both sides?

[6bblgt]

the .23" (15/64") dimension on the left was bothering me  now it makes sense ..... 3/32" gap between stripes

[Cudino]

@Cudino your Challenger SE must've been early or the LA plant was late in getting "revision D" of the engineering drawing & putting into practice 

the lacquer paint stripes were applied with a Beugler tool or similar https://www.beugler.com/

aided by some sort of fixture - on line it might have been easier mounted a little lower or was used incorrectly, you'd have to find additional examples to see if the 7/16" is common or an oddball - are they the same both sides?

Very interesting @6bblgt!  I didn't think to look at the revision history, but I completely agree with your theory.  A reminder that my LA-built car had SPD B-18, so it is a bit on the early side.  Can you read the date of that Revision D on the Engineering Drawing?  I believe it will be within the handwritten part on the right, but I can't make it out.  And can you read what the previous revisions were?  I wonder if one of them was a height change, which would make perfect sense to what I am seeing.

The Driver's side of my Challenger had been in some sort of incident long ago, because the driver's side door and front fender had been replaced at some point.  But the driver's side quarter is still original, so I tried sanding it.  Unfortunately it won't give us any info, because unlike the passenger side it looks like the driver's side quarter had been completely sanded down to bare metal before the black was applied (at least in this area along the stripe).  See picture.

But I did try sanding the passenger side quarter, which still has a lot of FJ5 remaining, and found evidence of the same stripe as on the fender.  So this same style of stripe had been painted down the whole side of the car.  See picture.

- Wade

[6bblgt]

revision "D" is dated 11/6/69

I tried to come up with another reference point for the stripe using the rear bumper indentation dimension from the "bumblebee stripe" engineering drawing

I think somewhere in the revision process all dimensions were NOT properly modified/updated
& these guys were using slide rules think fractions not round numbers

& if that top line was to be only 1/8" off the body-line, a minimal variation would be an apparent mistake VS. being 1/2" away & a 1/8" variance being a non-issue

[6bblgt]

@Cudino here's the best I can do with the revision block

revision "B" might have been something about the height of the striping  but doesn't quite get "US" from 1/8" to 7/16"