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Title: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 16, 2019, 03:40:51 PM
Curious what a good asking price is for this clock stem set up. I have a possible buyer but if it's only worth $10, I'll hold it for my Barracuda which is missing these pieces. Second photo shows how it attaches to the clock itself.

Second question...is the knob itself like the chrome ones on the rallye gauges? I tried one and it screwed on nicely but not sure what the original actually looked like.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 16, 2019, 04:06:07 PM
Sensing these are pretty rare, I'd stop into a good machine shop (I used to work in one) and get a price on having a few made. I'd definitely hang onto that. JMO.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 16, 2019, 04:07:45 PM
@ricomondo (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/ricomondo_4657) posted a while back looking for one I think?
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 16, 2019, 04:11:34 PM
He is the person interested. I offered him the whole clock with stem pieces but he only wants these parts.

I like your idea about having a few made. There is nothing complicated about them. I see they reproduce the entire clock but no one makes the stem pieces so that tells me they didn't have access to one for reproduction.

Anyone ever see the knob on one though?
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 16, 2019, 04:19:29 PM
I wonder if the knob would mimic the one on the rallye clock. Good question. Hopefully someone answers up with one. I'd like to see you het some made. Perhaps @MoparDave (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mopardave_10) could chime in. It seems a rare part like that that's so easily reproduced would be a shame to let get away before you get it duplicated. EM Smith machine shop here in central Illinois is a straight up place that can actually reproduce gears and gearbox components. I'm sure this would be nothing to them.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: Ricomondo on August 16, 2019, 04:28:32 PM
A complete knob/stem would  look like this:

Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on August 16, 2019, 04:29:26 PM
The knob is a standard rally dash knob. it is attached with the standard rally dash tube nut....  I seem to remember there being a spring but it's been years...
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: ClarkWGrizwald on August 16, 2019, 04:34:45 PM
I need one for a standard dash
If this one is at all compatible or adaptable or modifiable, I'd love to get a copy of it.  If someone has a standard dash one that we could copy, that would be great too. 

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Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 16, 2019, 05:49:57 PM
I was examining the two pieces and they are quite simple in design. I took machine shop classes in my youth and something like this should be child's play for a real shop. As far as a spring, I would guess there isn't one because the back of the clock where the metal sleeve screws on has a spring loaded doohickey already. Maybe there is a second spring in the tube though. I'll have to play with the pieces some more to see if an extra spring is necessary.

@ricomondo (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/ricomondo_4657) and @ClarkWGrizwald (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/clarkwgrizwald_4816) I examined my Barracuda that I bought a few months ago and it was ordered with this clock however the stem pieces are also missing. I know if I get rid of it, I'll regret it later. Let me look into getting some of these reproduced so all of us can walk away happy. I would guess that a machine shop making them one at a time would charge a good chunk of money per copy. Maybe $75 or so for both pieces??

Any members in here reproduce stuff as a business? Ideally, it would be nice to see this part reproduced for all Mopar people. Mass producing a few hundred of these should be fairly inexpensive. Someone went to the trouble to reproduce the clock so that says there is a market out there for the other pieces.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: gzig5 on August 16, 2019, 05:58:53 PM
I can make them if I have accurate dimensions or can get the part to make a print.  I have several lathes and a milling machine.  I think I could make the knobs on my indexer.  If you can take accurate measurements and make a print I'd give it a go or you can mail it to me, I'll measure it up, verify the threads with my special micrometer and send it back to you.  I won't guarantee factory finish but I should be able to make a functional part that looks right from three feet away.  I'd have to make one before I can quote it, but I need one for my car and can be the guinea pig.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 16, 2019, 06:02:43 PM
Quote from: gzig5 on August 16, 2019, 05:58:53 PM
I can make them if I have accurate dimensions or can get the part to make a print.  I have several lathes and a milling machine.  I think I could make the knobs on my indexer.  If you can take accurate measurements and make a print I'd give it a go or you can mail it to me, I'll measure it up, verify the threads with my special micrometer and send it back to you.  I won't guarantee factory finish but I should be able to make a functional part that looks right from three feet away.  I'd have to make one before I can quote it, but I need one for my car and can be the guinea pig.

Pm sent
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 16, 2019, 06:12:40 PM
Sent a PM to @gzig5 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gzig5_1624)   My idea is to get him lots of pictures and measurements for him to attempt reproduction. I'd hold on to my original and then he could make and sell copies to anyone here who needs them at whatever price he sets.

I have a feeling a person could sell hundreds of them if mass produced. No e body owner with standard gauges likes staring at the blank cover filling the clock hole. Even though the clock was a rare option, people would add it just like 68-70 B body owners always add the Tic-Tock-Tach in their cars. It just seems right.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 16, 2019, 06:14:22 PM
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) could you somehow link this thread to a new one asking for members that have or work in machine shops? This part could fall into extinction and it's a unique option. Speaking as an ex small parts machinist, this would be a simple part to reproduce. Of course the more made, the cheaper the per part price would be. Thoughts?
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 16, 2019, 06:17:32 PM
@70 Challenger Lover (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/70-challenger-lover_962), the original being sent to the (trusted) shop would be the ideal option. A guy would need to put a micrometer to these parts to exactly duplicate them.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: Jay Bee on August 16, 2019, 06:30:42 PM
The standard clocks are available in reproduction minus the reset mechanism making this a needed part. Good luck to all involved in this venture.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: ClarkWGrizwald on August 16, 2019, 08:23:10 PM
Id pay $100 for a functional setup if someone wants to make them. Put it towards r and d costs.

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Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 04:20:38 AM
There are two of them on eBay which include the clock and the stem resets. Pricey though. Included close ups of the reset stem below.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F254116792415
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 18, 2019, 06:49:08 AM
Wow, NOS!  And for $350!
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: ClarkWGrizwald on August 18, 2019, 07:02:53 AM
Do you think that's a good price?

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Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: ClarkWGrizwald on August 18, 2019, 07:49:43 AM
I have an extra clock already ....(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190818/f6af87aeb926e29809e32c050f6752a1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190818/4a0ae66c1beb37c38bf41d75eeec6dc2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190818/8780fa9ad1e9c153f1b872018e9d992d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190818/f4a73a8fb2d6ccfd9c91897e46cfd02d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190818/c4606da8bbfb7af9dd51827585159be0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190818/465becd989ed342df34545406981a360.jpg)

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Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 18, 2019, 08:10:35 AM
I'm surprised it's not more, as rare as they are and as nuts as prices are becoming. Tempted to by it even though after owning now 9 ebodies, I've never owned a standard dash/clock optioned car.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: ClarkWGrizwald on August 18, 2019, 08:53:31 AM
Well I bought it. I will have the parts made and post them up for sale soon as they are ready. I'll have a NOS clock for sale as well. Seems like a simple piece to make so shouldnt take too long.

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Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 18, 2019, 09:36:07 AM
@ClarkWGrizwald (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/clarkwgrizwald_4816) I'm glad to see a happy ending here. Truthfully it had bugged me since this thread showed up. I don't even own a car equipped with such, but these things are ultra rare. I checked out the eBay ad a few hours ago and was going to pull the trigger on it a minute ago just to have it in my inventory as well as to have a REPUTABLE machine shop accurately repop a couple dozen reset assemblies that could reasonably help other members struggling to find these. Hopefully you'll do the same. Good grab. Keep everyone informed.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: ClarkWGrizwald on August 18, 2019, 10:11:35 AM
I plan to do exactly that! Im sure lots of people will benefit. And that's what you do for a community of enthusiasts!

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Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 11:00:47 AM
Here's another listing at $500

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F362635420105
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 18, 2019, 11:35:24 AM
 I hesitated a little too long at $350, but at 500 I'm afraid I'd definitely be out. Now in 10 years we'll probably both be looking back and wishing like hell we would've bought this, LOL.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: ClarkWGrizwald on August 18, 2019, 12:20:16 PM
No, you'll be like thank god I can buy one for under 100 bucks now that someone made up a bunch of them!

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Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: jordan on August 18, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
I pulled my clock out when I replaced it with an oil pressure gauge.  I have it in a bag on the shelf.  I am not sure if i have the reset stuff, but probably do since it was working when I redid the cluster.  What is it worth used?  And complete?  Is this desirable?   I don't see myself wanting to know the time instead of oil pressure anytime in the future. 
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 12:47:43 PM
That was the question I posed when I started the thread. Apparently if the reset stem has a nice clock, it's worth at least $350.

I took some time to accurately measure and draft out my findings for anyone to use. Any decent shop or home machinist should be able to make nice copies with this information. It's not a terribly complicated piece of engineering.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 12:51:03 PM
The broadcast sheet on my 71 Barracuda shows the car actually came with this clock yet I've recently realized someone lost the reset shaft prior to my buying the car so it makes sense for me to hold onto this one. @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)  pulled up some specs for me and I seem to recall only like 10% or less of the e bodies ever came with them. Personally, I'd prefer an oil pressure gauge but I want to keep my car as original as possible.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: gzig5 on August 18, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 12:47:43 PM
That was the question I posed when I started the thread. Apparently if the reset stem has a nice clock, it's worth at least $350.

I took some time to accurately measure and draft out my findings for anyone to use. Any decent shop or home machinist should be able to make nice copies with this information. It's not a terribly complicated piece of engineering.

Excellent.  I'll take a closer look at the details later this week. 

I guess one question I have is why these are missing on so many cars? Looks like the sleeve holds the shaft up into the clock and you'd have to purposely remove it or it would need to come loose.  Mine has the collar but no inner shaft.  I just tried and that collar is not coming loose without something other than my fingers to grip it.

What's engaging the clock on that shaft?  It would have to be that shoulder with the flats because the end of the shaft is round, correct?  Helps to know how it works to figure out tolerances.  If you give them +/- 0.001" on everything based off the measurements, you're cost is going to skyrocket.
I'd also like to know
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 01:37:12 PM
Hard to say why they are missing. I had to hold the base with pliers to get the collar loose. It wasn't super tight but it was certainly tight enough to never fall out.

I'll put some detailed pics up now. The stem inside the collar has flats that line up to a corresponding piece on the back of the clock. It will spin freely until you depress the knob 1/4" then it allows everything to engage so you can spin the hands of the clock.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 01:42:02 PM
As far as tolerances, I'd say + or - .005. It's not critical as long as the stem is strong enough to handle torsional stress (which should be minimal on a little clock)
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 18, 2019, 02:18:15 PM
Dammit @70 Challenger Lover (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/70-challenger-lover_962)! You left out the angle of the chamfered bevel and didn't notate X,Y and Z planes!  Just kidding.  :clapping: Man you nailed it. This is priceless info going forward. @Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) might want to put this one in the archives. Great job!!!
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 03:08:05 PM
As I was doing it, I was having flashbacks to my 7th and 8th grade drafting classes. I wanted to get it out there on a thread in the open so anyone with a lathe in their garage could attempt it. I'm hoping in time some company will just take the info and mass produce them. Making the clocks has to be 100xs more engineering and manufacturing effort so if they bothered to do them in the aftermarket world, they should be motivated to do the rest of the needed pieces.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: Ricomondo on August 18, 2019, 03:25:24 PM
Quote from: ClarkWGrizwald on August 18, 2019, 07:02:53 AM
Do you think that's a good price?

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That is high for an NOS piece, and the other guy on Ebay has a BIN for $500.
The clocks for the Challenger and Barracuda NOS should be around $240-$300.
But as is with anything else, its what the buyer is willing to pay. There is a Barracuda clock on ebay for $270 with stem and its priced accordingly.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Here it is installed in case anyone is curious of the final look.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 18, 2019, 06:01:06 PM
Looks great. Who'd have thought 30+ years ago that a dashboard click would mean so much?
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on August 18, 2019, 06:21:16 PM
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Here it is installed in case anyone is curious of the final look.

Got the clock but no radio...Odd....

The knob & tube always falls off, I use to install it with channel locks & a year later it would fall off... Got to the point I kept it in the ashtray....
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: ClarkWGrizwald on August 18, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
Blue thread lock?


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Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 06:37:26 PM
I guess we have an answer why so many are missing now. They probably got tossed over the years.

I am a details kind of person. I just realized that my clock is frozen and that just won't do. I can see one of my future projects will be to remove the cluster, have the clock upgraded to quartz if possible, refresh the bezel with the silver on the outer edges, and of course using loctite red on the stem collar so it never falls out.

As far as my car's options, yeah it does seem weird that someone would order a convertible with a power top, add a clock, a console and two tone seats, but not pay a couple bucks for a radio. I'm glad they didn't though, I love the sleek look without an antenna! It has power steering which I love but I also wished they ordered power brakes.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on August 18, 2019, 07:06:23 PM
Thing is if you use loctite your gambling you'll never have to get into the dash.... Cause you can't remove the bezel without removing the stem.... And even blue loctite is gonna cause the brass thread portion of the clock to spin....  And you can't get heat up to the area where the loctite is....  So I just tightened it a few times, had it fall on the floor, find it down under the seat & leave it in the ashtray....

If it were to fall on the floor allot of people probably didn't realize what it was & either tossed it or tossed it in a drawer....
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: gzig5 on August 19, 2019, 07:06:36 AM
There are low strength thread lockers (purple?) that don't require a torch to loosen.  Another option would be to fashion a thin lock washer.  And finally, the easiest option is to reach down and tighten it once a week.  How often do you drive your cars?  They aren't seeing 1000+ miles a month like they did back in the day so there isn't going to be as much vibration to loosen them up.

My clock "works" in that the second hand moves about as fast as the hour hand but the other two have never moved.  It's always 9:20 in the Cuda. Right twice a day.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on August 19, 2019, 11:34:02 AM
On all my cars, I disconnect the battery when I'm not driving so if knowing the time was important to me, I'd have to reset it every time I drove the car. I like everything in my cars to function correctly though so having a working clock and reset would be good enough for me.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 19, 2019, 01:11:19 PM
If a machine shop is fairly modern, they should have a CNC machine that could closely reproduce that knob and it's original texture as well. Worth looking into.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: gzig5 on August 19, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: 7E-Bodies on August 19, 2019, 01:11:19 PM
If a machine shop is fairly modern, they should have a CNC machine that could closely reproduce that knob and it's original texture as well. Worth looking into.

CNC is not needed to get it right.  I could do that knob pretty quickly on my manual machines.  Five minutes or so to profile the blank another 5-10 to drill and tap, and maybe ten minutes to cut the serartions on the indexing head?.  Pretty quick once the setup is done and you'd want to setup some fixtures if doing many of them.  CNC might be faster and a little quicker setup, but there is programming time in the setup and higher burden rate on a CNC machine, depending how they cost it.  10-20 the piece part cost might be too high.  Now if you are doing batches of 100-1000, CNC is the way to go.   I'm not standing in front of my machines for that long.  Making stuff is fun but the same stuff over and over gets monotonous.  That's why some of this stuff costs so much, the CNC machines can crank them out fast but you have hundreds/thousands of dollars in setup costs and fixtures to make the run.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on August 19, 2019, 01:38:24 PM
You may be right.  I was looking at the same thing...monotony. I used to run piece parts for Caterpillar and on long runs, it could be pure hell. I ran the turret lathes as well for multiple cut parts. I wonder if @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) has the stats on how many cars even came with this option. A couple dozen may be all that'd be needed.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: Rdchallenger on August 19, 2019, 02:30:52 PM
Well if the stem gets made I will definitely pull the trigger on getting a repop clock for my cluster just because I think they look cool!
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 6bblgt on August 19, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
for the 1970 e-bodies - Challenger 5.1% & Barracuda 4.1% had the OPTIONAL "clock"

& add me to the list of those in need - I used to have the pieces - but currently they are MISSING  :rubeyes:
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on August 19, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: gzig5 on August 19, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: 7E-Bodies on August 19, 2019, 01:11:19 PM
If a machine shop is fairly modern, they should have a CNC machine that could closely reproduce that knob and it's original texture as well. Worth looking into.

CNC is not needed to get it right.  I could do that knob pretty quickly on my manual machines.  Five minutes or so to profile the blank another 5-10 to drill and tap, and maybe ten minutes to cut the serartions on the indexing head?.  Pretty quick once the setup is done and you'd want to setup some fixtures if doing many of them.  CNC might be faster and a little quicker setup, but there is programming time in the setup and higher burden rate on a CNC machine, depending how they cost it.  10-20 the piece part cost might be too high.  Now if you are doing batches of 100-1000, CNC is the way to go.   I'm not standing in front of my machines for that long.  Making stuff is fun but the same stuff over and over gets monotonous.  That's why some of this stuff costs so much, the CNC machines can crank them out fast but you have hundreds/thousands of dollars in setup costs and fixtures to make the run.

Like I've said before, the knob itself is already available in repo..... Same as a 70-71 rally dash knob
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: AUS_CUDA73 on September 04, 2019, 10:37:31 PM
Does anyone know where I can get the silver adjust knob from? Need one for mine. I already have the rest of the clock and tube.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on September 04, 2019, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: AUS_CUDA73 on September 04, 2019, 10:37:31 PM
Does anyone know where I can get the silver adjust knob from? Need one for mine. I already have the rest of the clock and tube.

https://www.themoparshop.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=350_352&products_id=3527&osCsid=2o3iach48t6crr8ccjef0oeao5
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: AUS_CUDA73 on September 05, 2019, 12:41:59 AM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on September 04, 2019, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: AUS_CUDA73 on September 04, 2019, 10:37:31 PM
Does anyone know where I can get the silver adjust knob from? Need one for mine. I already have the rest of the clock and tube.

https://www.themoparshop.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=350_352&products_id=3527&osCsid=2o3iach48t6crr8ccjef0oeao5


Thanks. It says rallye dash stems, so this still fit the standard clock gauge adjust?
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: JS29 on September 05, 2019, 05:56:50 AM
@AUS_CUDA73 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/auscuda73_5170)   :welcome:  :handshake: I read somewhere that they are indeed the same.   :alan2cents:
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on September 05, 2019, 06:49:53 AM
The knob is the same. I had a spare one from a Rallye dash set up and it worked perfectly for the small clock just like Wild RT said.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: gzig5 on September 05, 2019, 09:32:46 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 19, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
for the 1970 e-bodies - Challenger 5.1% & Barracuda 4.1% had the OPTIONAL "clock"

& add me to the list of those in need - I used to have the pieces - but currently they are MISSING  :rubeyes:

Hope to start playing with this in a couple weeks.  If it works out, I probably wouldn't have time to make several of them until the snow is flying.  Youth football coaching keeps me hopping for a couple months.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: AUS_CUDA73 on September 05, 2019, 07:45:01 PM
Ok, no problems! Thanks guys. By any chance do you know what order the assembly goes into the tube. Is it the little threaded insert-into the silver knob-then into the tube and tighten with a screw driver?
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on September 05, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
The long stem goes into the tube and then the chrome knob screws onto the stem at the opposite end. Those three pieces are one self contained assembly and won't come apart unless you unscrew the chrome knob. From there, the assembly goes through the hole in the dash Bezel and screws into the back of the clock from the underside.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 68bee on June 20, 2020, 07:46:02 PM
Any news on reproducing these?
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on February 16, 2021, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: gzig5 on September 05, 2019, 09:32:46 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 19, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
for the 1970 e-bodies - Challenger 5.1% & Barracuda 4.1% had the OPTIONAL "clock"

& add me to the list of those in need - I used to have the pieces - but currently they are MISSING  :rubeyes:

Hope to start playing with this in a couple weeks.  If it works out, I probably wouldn't have time to make several of them until the snow is flying.  Youth football coaching keeps me hopping for a couple months.

@gzig5 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gzig5_1624) A couple weeks have passed.... Any progress?   Not that I need one, I don't have a car that uses one anymore... But somebody might....
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: gzig5 on February 17, 2021, 07:20:42 AM
Ha!  More than a few weeks.  Actually, almost no traction.  I blew the car apart completely this past year for body work.  To the good, the dash assembly is leaning in the corner in the basement.  To the bad, I've been busy and I simply haven't done anything on the clock stem.  I have to move the entire dash contents to a replacement dash core because the original core is bent from an accident. I hope to get to that in the next few weeks, and that will be a good opportunity to look at the clock.  I'll update the thread again when I get to that point, but feel free to prod me if there is a long delay.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: elan71 on April 14, 2021, 11:00:42 PM
Hi
I'm currently have the same problem, missing these parts on my standard clock.
Is there any possibility to buy these now?
Would be great if I can get my clock back to life as it should.
Thank you in advance.
Greetings from Switzerland
Daniel
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: JunkYardFind on April 15, 2021, 12:42:23 AM
I have actually managed to get ONE reproduced! A 20 something year old kid that works in a watch repair shop made a perfect repro out of brass. They are a 3 generation family owned business...these guys KNOW clocks! Pics posted below.

The repro works exactly as the original. Unfortunately I have none for sale...YET. I should be able to get a few more made soon. Likely going to sell for $100 each. Cost me quite a bit up front to get this far.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: elan71 on April 16, 2021, 05:24:26 AM
Looks very nice.
I'm thinking about making it by myself. The problem are the American threads. Can anyone tell me which threads are used here? Then I can see if I can find a suitable tool. 
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: truckinman466 on May 16, 2021, 02:37:55 PM
Junkyard find.com, were you able to get any more of these made yet. I'd buy one if so.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 6bblgt on May 16, 2021, 02:49:09 PM
Quote from: JunkYardFind.com on April 15, 2021, 12:42:23 AM
I have actually managed to get ONE reproduced! A 20 something year old kid that works in a watch repair shop made a perfect repro out of brass. They are a 3 generation family owned business...these guys KNOW clocks! Pics posted below.

The repro works exactly as the original. Unfortunately I have none for sale...YET. I should be able to get a few more made soon. Likely going to sell for $100 each. Cost me quite a bit up front to get this far.

@JunkYardFind.com (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/junkyardfind-com_10732)   if you are going forward with this - you should purchase the reproduction knob * so that visible part appears factory correct once installed   :alan2cents:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/233785268905?
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 16, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
Holy cow. That's as good as it gets!
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: JunkYardFind on May 17, 2021, 02:12:55 AM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)
YIKES! Almost $50 just for the repro knob piece?
I will see if I find them cheaper but likely will have to stick with what is shown above. I will see if I can get a couple more made and sell them through this thread.
@truckinman466 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/truckinman466_334)
If I can get more made, I will message you.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: Jay Bee on May 17, 2021, 05:08:07 AM
Quote from: JunkYardFind.com on May 17, 2021, 02:12:55 AM
YIKES! Almost $50 just for the repro knob piece?
@JunkYardFind.com (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/junkyardfind-com_10732) that $47.00 price is for a PAIR, each one is only $23.50. Does that help to reconsider making them factory looking.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 6bblgt on May 17, 2021, 09:54:42 AM
Quote from: JunkYardFind.com on May 17, 2021, 02:12:55 AM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)
YIKES! Almost $50 just for the repro knob piece?
I will see if I find them cheaper but likely will have to stick with what is shown above. I will see if I can get a couple more made and sell them through this thread.

IMO this comment makes NO sense (will your part accept the correct knob?)  :looney:  if the part does not look correct it will limit sales
@JunkYardFind.com (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/junkyardfind-com_10732)

if you are making the part for function only - that's the wrong mindset & your audience will be Civic owners (you know, guys with functional automobiles - not vintage collectables)

& I think Tony's Parts makes the reproductions, you are unlikely to find them "cheaper" & yes, that's for a pair
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: JunkYardFind on May 17, 2021, 01:32:33 PM
Ah, I see. Okay, $25 for the pair is a bit better. I will see what I can come up with.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: Jay Bee on May 17, 2021, 02:45:09 PM
Quote from: JunkYardFind.com on May 17, 2021, 01:32:33 PM
Ah, I see. Okay, $25 for the pair is a bit better. I will see what I can come up with.
It's NOT $25 (23.50) for the pair, that's the price for each.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: anlauto on May 17, 2021, 02:50:44 PM
Not that hard to find used ones either :alan2cents:

Just to be clear, I mean the rally dash knobs, not the standard clock remote  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: JunkYardFind on May 17, 2021, 06:12:48 PM
@Jay Bee (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/jay-bee_351)
Sadly, ebay and everywhere else online now charges tax on every purchase.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: Jay Bee on May 17, 2021, 06:36:11 PM
 :bigthumb: You're right, forgot about tax.
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: elan71 on May 31, 2021, 11:15:45 AM
I just got the first prototype.
It's not bad. I'm strugeling with the threads.
Does anyone know what kind of thread the small one is?
1-72 UNF? I have no idea...... :(
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: elan71 on May 03, 2022, 05:48:45 AM
Hi
Now it's finished and ready to sell.
It took a while but it is very nice now.
You can find it on ebay:
https://www.ebay.ch/itm/185411584501 (https://www.ebay.ch/itm/185411584501)

Daniel
Title: Re: E body clock stem pieces (standard gauges)
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on May 03, 2022, 06:13:25 PM
Very nice! Pretty good price considering the work involved.