Curious what a good asking price is for this clock stem set up. I have a possible buyer but if it's only worth $10, I'll hold it for my Barracuda which is missing these pieces. Second photo shows how it attaches to the clock itself.
Second question...is the knob itself like the chrome ones on the rallye gauges? I tried one and it screwed on nicely but not sure what the original actually looked like.
Sensing these are pretty rare, I'd stop into a good machine shop (I used to work in one) and get a price on having a few made. I'd definitely hang onto that. JMO.
He is the person interested. I offered him the whole clock with stem pieces but he only wants these parts.
I like your idea about having a few made. There is nothing complicated about them. I see they reproduce the entire clock but no one makes the stem pieces so that tells me they didn't have access to one for reproduction.
Anyone ever see the knob on one though?
A complete knob/stem would look like this:
The knob is a standard rally dash knob. it is attached with the standard rally dash tube nut.... I seem to remember there being a spring but it's been years...
I need one for a standard dash
If this one is at all compatible or adaptable or modifiable, I'd love to get a copy of it. If someone has a standard dash one that we could copy, that would be great too.
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I can make them if I have accurate dimensions or can get the part to make a print. I have several lathes and a milling machine. I think I could make the knobs on my indexer. If you can take accurate measurements and make a print I'd give it a go or you can mail it to me, I'll measure it up, verify the threads with my special micrometer and send it back to you. I won't guarantee factory finish but I should be able to make a functional part that looks right from three feet away. I'd have to make one before I can quote it, but I need one for my car and can be the guinea pig.
Quote from: gzig5 on August 16, 2019, 05:58:53 PM
I can make them if I have accurate dimensions or can get the part to make a print. I have several lathes and a milling machine. I think I could make the knobs on my indexer. If you can take accurate measurements and make a print I'd give it a go or you can mail it to me, I'll measure it up, verify the threads with my special micrometer and send it back to you. I won't guarantee factory finish but I should be able to make a functional part that looks right from three feet away. I'd have to make one before I can quote it, but I need one for my car and can be the guinea pig.
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The standard clocks are available in reproduction minus the reset mechanism making this a needed part. Good luck to all involved in this venture.
Id pay $100 for a functional setup if someone wants to make them. Put it towards r and d costs.
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There are two of them on eBay which include the clock and the stem resets. Pricey though. Included close ups of the reset stem below.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F254116792415
Wow, NOS! And for $350!
Do you think that's a good price?
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I'm surprised it's not more, as rare as they are and as nuts as prices are becoming. Tempted to by it even though after owning now 9 ebodies, I've never owned a standard dash/clock optioned car.
Well I bought it. I will have the parts made and post them up for sale soon as they are ready. I'll have a NOS clock for sale as well. Seems like a simple piece to make so shouldnt take too long.
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I plan to do exactly that! Im sure lots of people will benefit. And that's what you do for a community of enthusiasts!
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Here's another listing at $500
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F362635420105
I hesitated a little too long at $350, but at 500 I'm afraid I'd definitely be out. Now in 10 years we'll probably both be looking back and wishing like hell we would've bought this, LOL.
No, you'll be like thank god I can buy one for under 100 bucks now that someone made up a bunch of them!
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I pulled my clock out when I replaced it with an oil pressure gauge. I have it in a bag on the shelf. I am not sure if i have the reset stuff, but probably do since it was working when I redid the cluster. What is it worth used? And complete? Is this desirable? I don't see myself wanting to know the time instead of oil pressure anytime in the future.
That was the question I posed when I started the thread. Apparently if the reset stem has a nice clock, it's worth at least $350.
I took some time to accurately measure and draft out my findings for anyone to use. Any decent shop or home machinist should be able to make nice copies with this information. It's not a terribly complicated piece of engineering.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 12:47:43 PM
That was the question I posed when I started the thread. Apparently if the reset stem has a nice clock, it's worth at least $350.
I took some time to accurately measure and draft out my findings for anyone to use. Any decent shop or home machinist should be able to make nice copies with this information. It's not a terribly complicated piece of engineering.
Excellent. I'll take a closer look at the details later this week.
I guess one question I have is why these are missing on so many cars? Looks like the sleeve holds the shaft up into the clock and you'd have to purposely remove it or it would need to come loose. Mine has the collar but no inner shaft. I just tried and that collar is not coming loose without something other than my fingers to grip it.
What's engaging the clock on that shaft? It would have to be that shoulder with the flats because the end of the shaft is round, correct? Helps to know how it works to figure out tolerances. If you give them +/- 0.001" on everything based off the measurements, you're cost is going to skyrocket.
I'd also like to know
Hard to say why they are missing. I had to hold the base with pliers to get the collar loose. It wasn't super tight but it was certainly tight enough to never fall out.
I'll put some detailed pics up now. The stem inside the collar has flats that line up to a corresponding piece on the back of the clock. It will spin freely until you depress the knob 1/4" then it allows everything to engage so you can spin the hands of the clock.
As far as tolerances, I'd say + or - .005. It's not critical as long as the stem is strong enough to handle torsional stress (which should be minimal on a little clock)
As I was doing it, I was having flashbacks to my 7th and 8th grade drafting classes. I wanted to get it out there on a thread in the open so anyone with a lathe in their garage could attempt it. I'm hoping in time some company will just take the info and mass produce them. Making the clocks has to be 100xs more engineering and manufacturing effort so if they bothered to do them in the aftermarket world, they should be motivated to do the rest of the needed pieces.
Quote from: ClarkWGrizwald on August 18, 2019, 07:02:53 AM
Do you think that's a good price?
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That is high for an NOS piece, and the other guy on Ebay has a BIN for $500.
The clocks for the Challenger and Barracuda NOS should be around $240-$300.
But as is with anything else, its what the buyer is willing to pay. There is a Barracuda clock on ebay for $270 with stem and its priced accordingly.
Here it is installed in case anyone is curious of the final look.
Looks great. Who'd have thought 30+ years ago that a dashboard click would mean so much?
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on August 18, 2019, 03:42:49 PM
Here it is installed in case anyone is curious of the final look.
Got the clock but no radio...Odd....
The knob & tube always falls off, I use to install it with channel locks & a year later it would fall off... Got to the point I kept it in the ashtray....
Blue thread lock?
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I guess we have an answer why so many are missing now. They probably got tossed over the years.
I am a details kind of person. I just realized that my clock is frozen and that just won't do. I can see one of my future projects will be to remove the cluster, have the clock upgraded to quartz if possible, refresh the bezel with the silver on the outer edges, and of course using loctite red on the stem collar so it never falls out.
As far as my car's options, yeah it does seem weird that someone would order a convertible with a power top, add a clock, a console and two tone seats, but not pay a couple bucks for a radio. I'm glad they didn't though, I love the sleek look without an antenna! It has power steering which I love but I also wished they ordered power brakes.
Thing is if you use loctite your gambling you'll never have to get into the dash.... Cause you can't remove the bezel without removing the stem.... And even blue loctite is gonna cause the brass thread portion of the clock to spin.... And you can't get heat up to the area where the loctite is.... So I just tightened it a few times, had it fall on the floor, find it down under the seat & leave it in the ashtray....
If it were to fall on the floor allot of people probably didn't realize what it was & either tossed it or tossed it in a drawer....
There are low strength thread lockers (purple?) that don't require a torch to loosen. Another option would be to fashion a thin lock washer. And finally, the easiest option is to reach down and tighten it once a week. How often do you drive your cars? They aren't seeing 1000+ miles a month like they did back in the day so there isn't going to be as much vibration to loosen them up.
My clock "works" in that the second hand moves about as fast as the hour hand but the other two have never moved. It's always 9:20 in the Cuda. Right twice a day.
On all my cars, I disconnect the battery when I'm not driving so if knowing the time was important to me, I'd have to reset it every time I drove the car. I like everything in my cars to function correctly though so having a working clock and reset would be good enough for me.
If a machine shop is fairly modern, they should have a CNC machine that could closely reproduce that knob and it's original texture as well. Worth looking into.
Quote from: 7E-Bodies on August 19, 2019, 01:11:19 PM
If a machine shop is fairly modern, they should have a CNC machine that could closely reproduce that knob and it's original texture as well. Worth looking into.
CNC is not needed to get it right. I could do that knob pretty quickly on my manual machines. Five minutes or so to profile the blank another 5-10 to drill and tap, and maybe ten minutes to cut the serartions on the indexing head?. Pretty quick once the setup is done and you'd want to setup some fixtures if doing many of them. CNC might be faster and a little quicker setup, but there is programming time in the setup and higher burden rate on a CNC machine, depending how they cost it. 10-20 the piece part cost might be too high. Now if you are doing batches of 100-1000, CNC is the way to go. I'm not standing in front of my machines for that long. Making stuff is fun but the same stuff over and over gets monotonous. That's why some of this stuff costs so much, the CNC machines can crank them out fast but you have hundreds/thousands of dollars in setup costs and fixtures to make the run.
You may be right. I was looking at the same thing...monotony. I used to run piece parts for Caterpillar and on long runs, it could be pure hell. I ran the turret lathes as well for multiple cut parts. I wonder if
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) has the stats on how many cars even came with this option. A couple dozen may be all that'd be needed.
Well if the stem gets made I will definitely pull the trigger on getting a repop clock for my cluster just because I think they look cool!
for the 1970 e-bodies - Challenger 5.1% & Barracuda 4.1% had the OPTIONAL "clock"
& add me to the list of those in need - I used to have the pieces - but currently they are MISSING :rubeyes:
Quote from: gzig5 on August 19, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: 7E-Bodies on August 19, 2019, 01:11:19 PM
If a machine shop is fairly modern, they should have a CNC machine that could closely reproduce that knob and it's original texture as well. Worth looking into.
CNC is not needed to get it right. I could do that knob pretty quickly on my manual machines. Five minutes or so to profile the blank another 5-10 to drill and tap, and maybe ten minutes to cut the serartions on the indexing head?. Pretty quick once the setup is done and you'd want to setup some fixtures if doing many of them. CNC might be faster and a little quicker setup, but there is programming time in the setup and higher burden rate on a CNC machine, depending how they cost it. 10-20 the piece part cost might be too high. Now if you are doing batches of 100-1000, CNC is the way to go. I'm not standing in front of my machines for that long. Making stuff is fun but the same stuff over and over gets monotonous. That's why some of this stuff costs so much, the CNC machines can crank them out fast but you have hundreds/thousands of dollars in setup costs and fixtures to make the run.
Like I've said before, the knob itself is already available in repo..... Same as a 70-71 rally dash knob
Does anyone know where I can get the silver adjust knob from? Need one for mine. I already have the rest of the clock and tube.
Quote from: AUS_CUDA73 on September 04, 2019, 10:37:31 PM
Does anyone know where I can get the silver adjust knob from? Need one for mine. I already have the rest of the clock and tube.
https://www.themoparshop.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=350_352&products_id=3527&osCsid=2o3iach48t6crr8ccjef0oeao5
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on September 04, 2019, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: AUS_CUDA73 on September 04, 2019, 10:37:31 PM
Does anyone know where I can get the silver adjust knob from? Need one for mine. I already have the rest of the clock and tube.
https://www.themoparshop.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=350_352&products_id=3527&osCsid=2o3iach48t6crr8ccjef0oeao5
Thanks. It says rallye dash stems, so this still fit the standard clock gauge adjust?
The knob is the same. I had a spare one from a Rallye dash set up and it worked perfectly for the small clock just like Wild RT said.
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 19, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
for the 1970 e-bodies - Challenger 5.1% & Barracuda 4.1% had the OPTIONAL "clock"
& add me to the list of those in need - I used to have the pieces - but currently they are MISSING :rubeyes:
Hope to start playing with this in a couple weeks. If it works out, I probably wouldn't have time to make several of them until the snow is flying. Youth football coaching keeps me hopping for a couple months.
Ok, no problems! Thanks guys. By any chance do you know what order the assembly goes into the tube. Is it the little threaded insert-into the silver knob-then into the tube and tighten with a screw driver?
The long stem goes into the tube and then the chrome knob screws onto the stem at the opposite end. Those three pieces are one self contained assembly and won't come apart unless you unscrew the chrome knob. From there, the assembly goes through the hole in the dash Bezel and screws into the back of the clock from the underside.
Any news on reproducing these?
Quote from: gzig5 on September 05, 2019, 09:32:46 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on August 19, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
for the 1970 e-bodies - Challenger 5.1% & Barracuda 4.1% had the OPTIONAL "clock"
& add me to the list of those in need - I used to have the pieces - but currently they are MISSING :rubeyes:
Hope to start playing with this in a couple weeks. If it works out, I probably wouldn't have time to make several of them until the snow is flying. Youth football coaching keeps me hopping for a couple months.
@gzig5 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/gzig5_1624) A couple weeks have passed.... Any progress? Not that I need one, I don't have a car that uses one anymore... But somebody might....
Ha! More than a few weeks. Actually, almost no traction. I blew the car apart completely this past year for body work. To the good, the dash assembly is leaning in the corner in the basement. To the bad, I've been busy and I simply haven't done anything on the clock stem. I have to move the entire dash contents to a replacement dash core because the original core is bent from an accident. I hope to get to that in the next few weeks, and that will be a good opportunity to look at the clock. I'll update the thread again when I get to that point, but feel free to prod me if there is a long delay.
Hi
I'm currently have the same problem, missing these parts on my standard clock.
Is there any possibility to buy these now?
Would be great if I can get my clock back to life as it should.
Thank you in advance.
Greetings from Switzerland
Daniel
I have actually managed to get ONE reproduced! A 20 something year old kid that works in a watch repair shop made a perfect repro out of brass. They are a 3 generation family owned business...these guys KNOW clocks! Pics posted below.
The repro works exactly as the original. Unfortunately I have none for sale...YET. I should be able to get a few more made soon. Likely going to sell for $100 each. Cost me quite a bit up front to get this far.
Looks very nice.
I'm thinking about making it by myself. The problem are the American threads. Can anyone tell me which threads are used here? Then I can see if I can find a suitable tool.
Junkyard find.com, were you able to get any more of these made yet. I'd buy one if so.
Quote from: JunkYardFind.com on April 15, 2021, 12:42:23 AM
I have actually managed to get ONE reproduced! A 20 something year old kid that works in a watch repair shop made a perfect repro out of brass. They are a 3 generation family owned business...these guys KNOW clocks! Pics posted below.
The repro works exactly as the original. Unfortunately I have none for sale...YET. I should be able to get a few more made soon. Likely going to sell for $100 each. Cost me quite a bit up front to get this far.
@JunkYardFind.com (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/junkyardfind-com_10732) if you are going forward with this - you should purchase the reproduction knob * so that visible part appears factory correct once installed :alan2cents:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/233785268905?
Holy cow. That's as good as it gets!
Ah, I see. Okay, $25 for the pair is a bit better. I will see what I can come up with.
Quote from: JunkYardFind.com on May 17, 2021, 01:32:33 PM
Ah, I see. Okay, $25 for the pair is a bit better. I will see what I can come up with.
It's NOT $25 (23.50) for the pair, that's the price for each.
Not that hard to find used ones either :alan2cents:
Just to be clear, I mean the rally dash knobs, not the standard clock remote :alan2cents:
:bigthumb: You're right, forgot about tax.
I just got the first prototype.
It's not bad. I'm strugeling with the threads.
Does anyone know what kind of thread the small one is?
1-72 UNF? I have no idea...... :(
Hi
Now it's finished and ready to sell.
It took a while but it is very nice now.
You can find it on ebay:
https://www.ebay.ch/itm/185411584501 (https://www.ebay.ch/itm/185411584501)
Daniel
Very nice! Pretty good price considering the work involved.