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Title: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Swamp Donkey on July 27, 2021, 01:40:26 PM
I'm sitting down here in my shop staring and my car frozen like a deer in the headlights. Lol.  I'm 95% sure I can build this car but I keep procrastinating.  I want the car, not scared of the physical aspect of work in anyway.  I just look at it like I'm lost.  Did a quick google on productivity and the first thing that comes up described me 100%

Here it is:

For some people, productivity stalls because of a lack of direction. A person may know what their end goal is but they have no idea how to get there. This often happens when you think a task is difficult or when you've never done it before. It can also happen when you're overwhelmed with a lot of other activities.

Ive got parts coming in like crazy, and piling up.  Just want to hear some tips and tricks that has worked for people's builds. 

Fun fact, is I have tons of time to work on my car.  Summers are busy with family etc, I work 8 days on and get 6 straight days off with not much to do but work on my car for those days. 

I look on here and other forms of social media and get all hyped and excited for others working or finishing their projects while I stare at mine.   :Thud:

In the photos are USCartools stage 2 kit, SST TREMEC transmission etc, floor panels etc.  Tons of stuff to keep me busy. 

I hope one of the game changers for me is, tonight I have a body guy coming over as a "consultant " and will hopefully get me going in the right direction. 
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: benguin on July 27, 2021, 02:09:32 PM
This almost sounds like my daily work day!  First, I like to break things down into "work chunks".  What needs to be done first, before anything else?

Once you know the rough sequencing you can proceed down that path. With bite size work items completed whenever you get a chance.

For a ground up build, the order of tasks is critical.  If it's for a minor subassembly, not so much.   As an example, this weekend I put in some rebuilt horns (quick plug for "The Horn Works" on rebuilding my Prestolite horns).   Was it critical to get that done?  Nope- but it was great to connect everything up and hear their new found voice.

Rule #1: Don't take on too much at once.  The details are important, and you'll be glad you did it right the first time instead of doing it twice.  Take your time.

I like to put on music or a game broadcast, and use the time to relax and embrace the creative assembly/build and inevitable problem solving.  This is nearly as good as vacation time for me.
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Poolshark314 on July 27, 2021, 02:50:43 PM
Yeah what @benguin (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/benguin_3334) said. Hell take it old school even and put post it notes up on a wall of everything you need to do, put them in order, and then drag them over the other side as you finish each one. Staying organized will help keep you on task
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: jordan on July 27, 2021, 03:29:07 PM
I had to tell myself that I needed to work on something every day.  I usually had an idea what I was going to do, but some days I did what ever happened to need getting worked on.  If you do something every day, it will eventually get done.  Sometimes the hardest part is just walking into the shop.  Usually something happens after that.  Keep after it. 
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: 71vert340 on July 27, 2021, 03:35:56 PM
 Just plug along. I have been working on my Charger off and on for 14 years. Putting the interior in now. I found out if I get burned out working on one thing continually, ie. the dash, I'll take a break from it and work on something else, like the heater box or the engine. I'll even shift between cars. I'll work on one of the two Challengers here for a couple of days and then go back to the Charger. Boredom is the second worst enemy after what you're going through now. I try to do one thing each day even if it's just cleaning parts or ordering new parts. Eventually it will get done.
Terry W.
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Joegrapes on July 27, 2021, 03:45:15 PM
Boy I hear ya. Back in '96 I was so excited when I bought the car. It really was two cars, neither completed enough but together made one car. The next morning I got up and went out to look at what I bought and I sat there and mentally went through everything that needed to be done and saying to myself "holy shit, what was I thinking"  Anyway, I spent a whole year working on the car. I did all the work myself. And it was a ton of work. It's like eating an elephant, one bite at a time. When I won my first award I was so proud of myself. For about 5 years I did lots of shows and won lots of awards. Now the car mostly just sits in my garage. What amazes me is how you guys can keep your interest up on these cars for so long. I guess I just get bored of things fast, 😂
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: tparker on July 27, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
Create a loose plan with vague and flexible timelines if needed. Start with some EASY big wins. I am not sure where you are at so I can't give examples. But you could have a plan like
Body work
  fix big dent
  replace panel
  sand hood
  etc
paint
  source paint shop
  sand front fenders this weekend.
  sand doors next weeknd.
  etc
engine
  order parts
  send to machine shop
  pick up machine shop
  assemble motor by end of month
  install motor next month
interior
  Tear out old interior
  re cover seats
  etc

Of course this really depends on what you want and to what level. And the dates are just to get you moving. I don't think of the over all timeline. Instead I think of milestones like the above list. Then I think of the things that make that up. I then start on something and try to get it done. Of course we all get bored or overwhelmed. I change things up on occasion depending on being blocked on something or just on a whim.

My original goal was to get the car running the paint. But once I tore things down I flipped it since I needed to paint the engine bay. Then I decided to focus on the interior before the motor because I could knock out 80% very quickly and that felt GOOD. Anything that made big progress was good for motivation.

At the end of the day, you just have to pick up a wrench and start turning though. LOL.
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: anlauto on July 27, 2021, 04:35:39 PM
I make lists....Today: I need to get these things finished etc...
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Chryco Psycho on July 27, 2021, 06:36:20 PM
Taking on a Project like this can be overwhelming !
Especially if you have never done it before !
I have done so many now I know what to get done
The first thing I do is send out the body to get that done as I refuse to do that & while that is being done I will get the engine machining done & work through rebuilding every ccomponent of the car piece by piece , it really doesn't matter which parts you work on first but I want to have everything ready to bolt back on when the body returns . The parts that take the longest time to rebuild need to be adressed first so they have time & are ready when you are to reinstall them ..
There is a specific order to work through when assembling  the car which we can help with ,, , Brake & fuel lines first then suspension  & interior last .
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: GoodysGotaCuda on July 27, 2021, 07:22:03 PM
Write down a plan of what parts or work needs to be done in what order. That wireframe should help direct you in what comes next. Short term goals help here, "I want to get the car on the ground", "I want to get the dash in", "I want to get the glass in", etc help define what the next milestone is for your progress.

Progress is typically made minutes at a time and not days. I find many people look forward to "days" to work on their car, but these blitz days are rarely efficient, one missing part can wreck progress. Rather, I worked on my car 15min-60min four to five days per week until it was done. Persistence got it built, not blitz wrenching days.
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: HP2 on July 28, 2021, 08:16:23 AM
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on July 27, 2021, 07:22:03 PM
Write down a plan of what parts or work needs to be done in what order. That wireframe should help direct you in what comes next. Short term goals help here, "I want to get the car on the ground", "I want to get the dash in", "I want to get the glass in", etc help define what the next milestone is for your progress.

Progress is typically made minutes at a time and not days. I find many people look forward to "days" to work on their car, but these blitz days are rarely efficient, one missing part can wreck progress. Rather, I worked on my car 15min-60min four to five days per week until it was done. Persistence got it built, not blitz wrenching days.

Agree with Goody entirely. This is how I manage to keep moving forward on work on mine while managing tons of conflicting needs such as house restoration (mine is 110 years old. Restoring a car is a piece of cake comparitively), rv maintenance, daily driver maintenance, 3 kids and a wife, and extended family.  Of course during those brief moments of "I'll install the ignition wires today" you also discover certain tasks that will take hours. Once this is known, then you can set aside that saturday or sunday or get helpers for the larger tasks.
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Cuda416 on July 28, 2021, 10:22:02 AM
Well it can be, and for me, is very difficult. Sometimes I think I create things to stall it. One of my problems now is legit, as it's frickin HOT in south TX and hotter in the barn/shop. Pile house projects on top and other general life items and I can get precious little time out there. I'm in the middle of building my chassis jig, and have been in the middle for several months; longer if you include planning.

I have to mentally psych myself up to get things I "want" to do, done. So many other things to do etc. I tell myself "Self, you're going to get x y and z done tonight after work", then when I get out there, and the sweat starts dripping off my head from just standing in there, the energy just saps away.

I guess my point is, the car aint going anywhere so don't beat yourself up too bad. If you do, it won't be fun to work on.

I'm quite terrified of my car. It's a rust bucket 70 Barracuda and gonna be quite the challenge.

Drive on, you're not the only one. 

-=C
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Dakota on July 28, 2021, 11:40:26 AM
Scope creep is common.  I originally intended to just replace my dashboard but ended up taking the whole car apart.  I wouldn't do that again, as it tied up lots of garage, basement, and sometimes house space for many years.   Your goals may evolve, but the more you can stick to a plan, the better able you'll be to subdivide and conquer the work. 

I ordered a lot of parts based on things I saw in catalogs or online that I would eventually need, but didn't have to have at the moment.  This added to the piles around the house.   Later in the project, I tried to order only what I needed at the time and tried to install it soon after it arrived.   This avoids the frustration of finding out you ordered the same part more than once. 

I'll echo the comments above about working in small chunks, a little every day if possible.   I had one big thrash towards the end, mostly because I had to self-quarantine for 2 weeks based on travel, but most if the rest of the car got done in 2-3 hour blocks before life interceded somehow.   And life will intercede - it's just a matter of how and how much. 

Hang in there!   As you've seen in the replies, you're not alone.   The payoff is pretty cool once you get to actually drive it. 
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Scooter on July 28, 2021, 12:02:27 PM
^^^ All good suggestions.

My experience, take the fastest route to making it run and drive.

Nothing is more motivating to me than being able to drive the heap I'm working on.

GL!

:bigthumb:
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: dodj on July 28, 2021, 01:00:35 PM
I set short term (maybe weekly?) attainable goals. Rather than always repeating to myself.."It's gonna look soooo cool. I wanna drive this thing!!"
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: djw383 on July 28, 2021, 02:25:15 PM
Prioritize, and you get a lot done if you do 1 hour per day on something. Organizing, cleaning, or buying parts, making a list of to do's for the next night or weekend....etc....I usually spent one hour after my wife and daughter went to bed and is way better than watching TV!
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: djw383 on July 28, 2021, 07:57:12 PM
Prioritize, and you get a lot done if you do 1 hour per day on something. Organizing, cleaning, or buying parts, making a list of to do's for the next night or weekend....etc....I usually spent one hour after my wife and daughter went to bed and is way better than watching TV!


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Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Racer57 on July 28, 2021, 08:11:49 PM
Your doing what all of us have done at one time or another and its the worse thing possible.  Looking at the total project. Concentrate on ONE thing at a time and throw a sheet over everything else so you don't get distracted.
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: soundcontrol on July 29, 2021, 03:59:41 AM
Great thread! I have the same problem a lot of times, cars or other projects. Right now I'm setting up a work space at home (film sound editing room), I walk in, look at the building mess for a few minutes, decide that I need to move some stuff out to continue, find a good excuse to do it another day, end end up in the couch with my laptop on this forum :)

My cars, took the vert completely apart, ordered all parts, thought about changing the trunk floor and quarters for about a year and a half, read everything about it....changed the trunk floor and one quarter in a few day, thats was 16 months ago....  will do the other side any year now!
Once I'll get going I am pretty fast.
Reading all tips here to get some inspiration!
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Mr Lee on July 29, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
I think organization is key.  Otherwise its just a huge overwhelming pile of stuff. 

I highly recommend using Resto Ricks assembly order list.  It really helps to divide and conquer.  From there, you focus on one thing at a time, cross that item off and move to the next.  Its very satisfying to cross stuff off!  Each thing done is one step closer. That list will help streamline the whole process.  You can see what's next on the list and order what you need to ahead of time. 

Keep the shop clean.  Keep parts organized and give yourself lots of workbench space cause like someone said, you'll probably run into situations where you're missing a part and have to put what you're working on, on hold.  While you're waiting on that part, pick something else up and start working on that awhile. 


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Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: RacerX on July 29, 2021, 03:55:36 PM

As others have said organization is important and try to list tasks that need to be done.
Try to do a little bit each day even if it is just an hour.

It may not seem like much but it makes a difference and keeps momentum going and
when you hit milestones that builds excitement and gives more motivation.

It may feel like you are chipping away at an iceberg with an ice pick, but even that
will eventually finish if you keep at it.
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: PatO on July 29, 2021, 04:18:54 PM
Treat this site like a library. There is so much here to help you along.

Learn when to take a break. For me, pushing through a problem always resulted in more problems, I learned to step back for a few days, rethink the task and then tackle it when you are NOT frustrated!   :fingerscrossed:
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: Marty73 on July 31, 2021, 01:54:27 PM
I've been working on mine for 14 years - I always take care of my family first, but on those occasions I can get out to work on it I go inside out. Also helps that my kids are now pretty much independent and don't need my supervision.

Mechanics and body first, paint was the icing after all the hard work. Motivation is knowing that I'm not a pro and every wave, dimple and hard start I earned. This car is all my work and it looks damn good.

And if you get frustrated, just walk away..that's when mistakes happen. This is supposed to be a fun right!!
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: YellowThumper on August 11, 2021, 11:14:22 AM
@GoodysGotaCuda (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/goodysgotacuda_66) worded it perfectly.
15-60 minutes at a time.
That is exactly my path. My body (and weather) dictates what can be accomplished.
Stop looking at the full picture. Focus on separated tasks. Each one of these tasks will have their own starting and stopping points for varying reasons.
I am in process now of a full nut and bolt assembly of an early Falcon. I keep what I affectionately call wall O Falcon. Each bin has project specific items.
All its side glass, crank mechanisms, wiring, dash items, etc...are sorted and contained.
Obviously large items excluded.
This sort ordering allows me to bounce around items but still  return back to it without having to to figure out where I left off.
I also keep an itemized list on my phone. Easy to add something because there is always the "oh I need this moment".
Poof it is now listed.
From there I sort up and down priorities I deem my mind states can be accomplished at any given time.
Title: Re: How do you guys stay focused?
Post by: 70 Top Banana on August 11, 2021, 06:00:10 PM
Agree with what has been said. Me? I put together a plan depending on condition of the car and what I am planning to do with it. If it is a good straight, mostly original car, I get it running. If it is running I make it run better. You need brakes, fuel and cooling. Those are the first I tackle as long as it is not going to be a total resto. and does not have any major engine trans issues. I have a large white board in my shop and I go out there with a beverage or two, turn on the tunes and do a good evaluation, again lol. I look it over. Then I go to the whiteboard and it may say something like this:
BRAKES-
order brake hoses, brake lines, master cylinder, brake pads, wheel cylinders
Complete brake overhaul by xx date
COOLING
Send radiator to Glen Ray, order hoses, clamps,heater hoses, thermostat etc.
Pull heater box, repair replace heater core, resto heater box while waiting for radiator.
Complete cooling rebuild by xx date
FUEL-

I never put more than two projects up at a time but I will list the next one (shown as fuel) in the example above. Once you have it running right, it will be a lot of fun to drive and you can pick off the other stuff you need to do.
My two cents