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Title: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on January 06, 2017, 05:19:03 PM
Anybody have some good pictures of the truck drop downs into the 1/4's.  Having a problem with them mating at the wheel well.  Not sure if the problem is the drops or the 1/4's.  I want to make sure there correct before I weld the drops in.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 06, 2017, 05:27:20 PM
I'm sure I have some photos around here.... let me check.  Stand by:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on January 06, 2017, 05:34:48 PM
Some original photos I had on my computer of a Challenger right after being sand blasted...  The first one you can see where someone tried to patch a small area, but the quarters and extensions are original.  Hope that helps.  If not, I can go out in the shop and take some other photos if there's a specific angle you need.  But looking at your photo you're going to need to massage it in order to get it to line up.

Click on the photos and they will enlarge if you need to see them better. :bradsthumb:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on January 06, 2017, 05:48:27 PM
That should be a good reference for me.  Thx Cody. I can already tell the 1/4 lip needs to be trimmed down.


On a side note I like the enlarge feature that it doesn't take u to another page  :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: jimynick on January 19, 2017, 07:03:36 PM
Check the arch of that 1/4 with a wheel well moulding if you're going to use them and that'll give you a better idea as to whether it's the 1/4 or trunk extension that needs to move. If you make the 1/4 fit the extension and want to run w/o mldgs, you'll be sorry later. You can cheat a wee bit and I'd try a C type Visegrip into the corner of the extension with an eye to pulling it some into the 1/4's end a wee bit tighter. A little here and a little there can make a big difference later, especially if you haven't welded the extension in yet. Good luck  :cheers:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on April 14, 2017, 06:10:14 PM
So ive been avoiding the quarter skins to drop downs. The trunk joints look good outer wheel looks good.  Skin arch matches the old mouldings great.  And this is what I'm left with.   
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on April 14, 2017, 06:11:21 PM
So it sucks but this is the only solution I could think of
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on April 14, 2017, 06:16:37 PM
That's metal work.  Sometime you have to make it fit.  Looks like you got it a lot better then it was.   :ohyeah:

Kinda looks like there might be a slight bend at the bottom of your quarter skins to drop downs?  Is it bent?  Either way, looks like you have it pretty close to done.   :slapme5:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on April 14, 2017, 06:31:06 PM
Ya they still need tweaked a little.  I will never buy quarter skins again.  They weren't even the right side profile
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: anlauto on April 14, 2017, 06:41:56 PM
What brand quarter skin is that ?
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on April 14, 2017, 06:48:31 PM
Can you post a photo of your fuel filler hole or is it original?
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: anlauto on April 14, 2017, 06:54:47 PM
My metal man has convinced me that it's aways way better to do a full quarter, less work, less bondo better quality finish  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on April 14, 2017, 07:03:22 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 14, 2017, 06:54:47 PM
My metal man has convinced me that it's aways way better to do a full quarter, less work, less bondo better quality finish  :alan2cents:

There Goodmark.  Only panels so far I wouldn't recommend of there's that I used. 

Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 14, 2017, 06:48:31 PM
Can you post a photo of your fuel filler hole or is it original?

It's original.  Cut below body line body line where slightly different and fuel area was on like a 45 and stock was more 90
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on April 14, 2017, 07:15:02 PM
That's why I was asking.  I've seen some of skins that would not even fit a fuel filler.  Glad your is original.   :woohoo:

Quote from: A.Gramz on April 14, 2017, 07:03:22 PM

It's original.  Cut below body line body line where slightly different and fuel area was on like a 45 and stock was more 90
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: RUNCHARGER on April 14, 2017, 08:30:31 PM
Make dang sure your rear valance fits before doing anything else.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on April 14, 2017, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 14, 2017, 08:30:31 PM
Make dang sure your rear valance fits before doing anything else.

Ya I'm not looking forward to that I have no reference  vertically  where is should be  :notsure:  I was counting on the quarters and drops. But the fact they didn't line up has me worried.   
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: RUNCHARGER on April 14, 2017, 09:17:29 PM
Do you have the one you are going to use? You can hang it using the bolt holes off the crossmember and then swing it into place on the quarters. With the trouble you had I am anticipating you may have to do work on the quarters to fit the valance. It's not the end of the world but just expect problems is all.  I'm not sure if the new repro valances are all good or not, anyway use the one you are actually going to use in the finish build to be sure. I've seen a few cars in finish paint and the valance wouldn't fit.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: 71GranCoupe on April 14, 2017, 10:49:05 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 14, 2017, 08:30:31 PM
Make dang sure your rear valance fits before doing anything else.

Absolutely do this!!!  :iagree:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: truckinman466 on April 15, 2017, 04:56:43 AM
I'm glad you brought this up. I'm getting ready to do this too but I'm using full quarters. When I bought the drop downs the guy told me up front that they would probably need to be massaged to fit. Fitting new metal with old- there's bound to be some complications.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: soundcontrol on April 16, 2017, 10:21:30 AM
@A.Gramz (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/a-gramz_35), I think I have Goodmark quarters also, does you rear valance flange match a stock valance (or AMD), mine does not.  This was how it looked when I took it apart, valance was not bolted on the inside flange like normal, It had screws from the outside.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on April 16, 2017, 10:38:17 AM
@soundcontrol (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/soundcontrol_67) I'm not sure what the factory was suppose too look like.  Most of that area was rusted away.  I took some picks of what the skin look like.  Looks different they yours to me.  Also took at pic of factory valance and Goodmark they look similar in my opinion.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: soundcontrol on April 16, 2017, 12:04:58 PM
Yes, the flange looks different, I have no idea what brand my quarter skins are then. I do have an extra set, that seems to be Goodmark, (in the pict) flange looks like yours. I was confused how they should bolt to the valance, but maybe just the trunk extension is supposed to have the bolt hole flange? Maybe @Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) has a picture of the flange from behind? My quarter skins also don't have the drain in front of the wheelhouse.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on April 16, 2017, 12:39:50 PM
First off @soundcontrol (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/soundcontrol_67)  how did you do a mention for @A.Gramz (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/a-gramz_35)?  When I use the "dot" it doesn't let me mention him.   :notsure:

Here's some photos of the backside of the backside flange....

Quote from: soundcontrol on April 16, 2017, 10:21:30 AM
@A.Gramz (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/a-gramz_35), I think I have Goodmark quarters also, does you rear valance flange match a stock valance (or AMD), mine does not.  This was how it looked when I took it apart, valance was not bolted on the inside flange like normal, It had screws from the outside.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: soundcontrol on April 16, 2017, 12:51:11 PM
Thanks Cody!

I just copied the name put the @ before and it worked, seems like it worked for you now? Looks like a link...
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on April 16, 2017, 12:56:02 PM
@A.Gramz (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/a-gramz_35)  can you tell me if the mention worked for your name?  Did you get a notice that I mentioned you in this message?
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: RUNCHARGER on April 16, 2017, 01:05:20 PM
Great shots guys!
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on April 16, 2017, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 16, 2017, 12:56:02 PM
@A.Gramz (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/a-gramz_35)  can you tell me if the mention worked for your name?  Did you get a notice that I mentioned you in this message?

Yes I'm getting notifications again.???  Did u just do any updates?   
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on April 16, 2017, 02:25:54 PM
No updates, but I think if it gets typed out all correct it's working?  That's awesome that it's working as there have been a few times I was going to mention you but could not get the pop up to work.     :ohyeah:  Glad it's working. 

Quote from: A.Gramz on April 16, 2017, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 16, 2017, 12:56:02 PM
@A.Gramz (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/a-gramz_35)  can you tell me if the mention worked for your name?  Did you get a notice that I mentioned you in this message?

Yes I'm getting notifications again.???  Did u just do any updates?
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on April 16, 2017, 02:41:56 PM
 :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: soundcontrol on April 16, 2017, 04:19:31 PM
Found a picture of my valance, no flange at all, somebody probably cut it off....
I have to make a new one, now that I know what it should look like.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on July 03, 2017, 12:15:27 PM
So finally get a chance to get back into the garage.   Want to finish off 1/4's to drops. Went to test fit rear valance .   Not even anywhere close. So dose anybody have a couple pics from different angles the fitment.  Not sure what the contour is suppose to be and gap approx. thx guys
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on July 03, 2017, 01:35:30 PM
When you say it's not even close.... what part is not close?  Can you post a photo?
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on July 03, 2017, 04:37:06 PM
I've tried working the drivers side a bit.  A little better but still miles to go. 
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: Cuda Cody on July 03, 2017, 04:49:49 PM
Do you have a shrinker / stretcher?   You can use it to reshape the curve and get it to line up better.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on February 10, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
So I finally get a few hours of free time since July to get out in the garage.  I left off fighting with the rear valance 1/4 fitment.  I ended up welding the edge to get the gap correct.  And at the top where the bumper cutout is lining up with valance top.  Then I come on here browsing through Alan's b7 thread and see this pic.  Is that correct the valance top edge doesn't line up with bumper cutout.  I need to know before I get to the other side so I don't have to redo both sides
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: anlauto on February 10, 2018, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: A.Gramz on February 10, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
So I finally get a few hours of free time since July to get out in the garage.  I left off fighting with the rear valance 1/4 fitment.  I ended up welding the edge to get the gap correct.  And at the top where the bumper cutout is lining up with valance top.  Then I come on here browsing through Alan's b7 thread and see this pic.  Is that correct the valance top edge doesn't line up with bumper cutout.  I need to know before I get to the other side so I don't have to redo both sides

NO...I noticed that in the picture as well....I'm going to have a look at addressing that....This car has a large amount of AMD sheet metal, and I'm afraid that's the best it's going to get.... :pullinghair:
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: RUNCHARGER on February 10, 2018, 06:41:32 PM
Please try to make it look like this (hopefully you can make it out).
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: anlauto on February 10, 2018, 06:51:31 PM
Appears to be a common theme on cars with AMD sheet metal.....I'm going to have to point it out to my body shop....
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: anlauto on February 10, 2018, 06:55:22 PM
Monday I'm going to look into the blue car and see if it can be adjusted a bit better.....
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: RUNCHARGER on February 10, 2018, 06:56:08 PM
Here's a better shot of my old car, original quarter, repro valance but I spent a lot of time lining it up. This is a sad shot for me though, we were loading it up for it's trip to Europe.
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: A.Gramz on February 10, 2018, 07:54:01 PM
Thanks guys makes me feel better I didn't waste a whole afternoon.  When they've been few and far between.  Looks like the repos need a bit of work in this area is common problem. 
Title: Re: Trunk drops and 1/4's
Post by: rhamson on February 13, 2018, 09:43:54 AM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 14, 2017, 08:30:31 PM
Make dang sure your rear valance fits before doing anything else.
:iagree: Totally! I bought some skins from YearOne that were Goodmark and after trying to get them to fit I bought the full quarters that were also Goodmark and they fit just fine.