Did all AAR's come with L34 code?
If they did all come with L34's installed, (road lamps) would it have been on the fender tag?
Or is there an A code that would correspond with the L34's?
thanks
Alll AARs come with road lamps as part of the pkg , I have not seen the code separately on the tag which is somewhat odd as J45 is on the tag & all AARs had to have hood pins
None of the aar package's have road lamps listed either.
How did the assembly line guys know to put the road lamps on the aar's?
I've looked through all the job tags I have as well as the build sheets and none of them have L34. I figured for sure they would be on the build sheets but, nope.
for 1970 L34 - "ROAD lamps" were STANDARD on all 'cudas (BS23 & BS27) - so every "BS" car (AARs included) received the firewall piercing for the "ROAD lamp" wiring
mid-year "ROAD lamps" became an OPTION on Barracuda (BH) & Gran Coupe (BP)
for 1971 L34 - "ROAD lamps" were OPTIONAL on Barracuda (BH), Gran Coupe (BP) & 'cuda (BS)
So how were the cars with L34 option distinguished for the line workers after early 70?
Is there a place on the build sheet?
I see 31 and 35.
Also IIRC cars destined for PA were not permitted to have the road lamps. (And was it PA and CT that forbade rear window louvres?)
Though I'm not sure how the factory handled those — whether it was a road lamp delete, or whether the region dictated the specs, just as cars destined for California got the N95 emissions package
possibly the dealer would have removed the lamps & dropped them in the trunk
huh, lots of unknowns on the L34's.
If it wasn't listed on the build sheet, there must have been a separate sheet that noted road lamps.
First I've heard of this situation. A fella over on febo mentioned it and it peaked my curiosity.
I have read a few of the threads on the presence or lack of the L34 code on 1970 `Cuda (BS) fender tags. I would like to see original 1970 BS fender tags with or without the L34 on the tag so we could narrow down the date that L34 began appearing on the tags. L34 started showing up sometime in early-1970 even though this was standard on `Cudas. Earliest BS fender tag I have found with L34 has an SPD of 512 (May 12, 1970).
Welcome to the site , cool info too :bigthumb:
Still looking for more fender tags to narrow down when the L34 code began appearing on 1970 `Cudas. L34 was standard on BS models but started appearing on the fender tags in May 1970.
Based on my limited collection of fender tag images, the code was not on tags with an SPD of 511 or earlier. First tag I have with the L34 code has an SPD of 512.
Quote from: 6bblgt on May 13, 2020, 10:46:29 PM
for 1970 L34 - "ROAD lamps" were STANDARD on all 'cudas (BS23 & BS27) - so every "BS" car (AARs included) received the firewall piercing for the "ROAD lamp" wiring
mid-year "ROAD lamps" became an OPTION on Barracuda (BH) & Gran Coupe (BP)
for 1971 L34 - "ROAD lamps" were OPTIONAL on Barracuda (BH), Gran Coupe (BP) & 'cuda (BS)
6bblgt
Where on the firewall is the piercing?? Picture??
Jeff
there's a thread with a number of labeled firewall & other pics
https://forum.e-bodies.org/reference-material/18/e-body-hole-locations-firewall-door-interior-ect/303/
I don't know if there are any variations based on year or combination of OPTIONs :dunno:
6bblgt
Thank You
Jeff
there is also going to be a range of dates when "L34" shows up (or is missing) on a broadcast sheet and/or fender tag
"IF" a memo/instruction/other was posted on Friday 5/8/70, that stated: starting with Monday's 5/11/70 production "L34" needed to be coded on the BS and/or FT
***** cars built EARLY (with post 511 SPDs) won't be coded & cars built LATE (with pre 511 SPDs) will be coded
https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/actual-production-date-vs-scheduled-production-date/810/
So a Y09 Export car may not be the latest date without the L34 code on the tag. We still need more May 1970 BS tags to narrow it down. I have not seen any AAR BS cars with SPDs of late-April with L34 on the tag.
Post those May tags gents!
Hers's a 430 without...
Did you actually mean...
"IF" a memo/instruction/other was posted on Friday 5/8/70, that stated: starting with Monday's 5/12/70 production "L34" needed to be coded on the BS and/or FT
***** cars built EARLY (with pre 511 SPDs) won't be coded & cars built LATE (with post 511 SPDs) will be coded
I realize that the above is a hypothetical. Hopefully, we will see some more BS fender tags with SPDs for the month of MAY 1970.
For now, the evidence points to < or = 511 will not have L34 coded and > or = 512 will have L34 coded on BS fender tags.
The jury is out.
no, I meant what I typed:
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"IF" a memo/instruction/other was posted on Friday 5/8/70, that stated: starting with Monday's 5/11/70 production "L34" needed to be coded on the BS and/or FT
***** cars built EARLier than their SPDs (with post 511 SPDs) won't be coded & cars built LATEr than their SPDs (with pre 511 SPDs) will be coded
the date on the fender tag is the
SCHEDULED production date - the ACTUAL date can be a WEEK+ EARLY up to a MONTH+ LATE
so .......... "IF" 5/11/70 is the magic date that L34 started its existence then ..........
a car SCHEDULED 5/6/70 but not built until 5/13/69 would have L34 on its fender tag "LATE"
VS
a car SCHEDULED 5/13/70 but built early on 5/6/70 would NOT have L34 on its tag "EARLY"
:crazytalk: the addition of L34 to the broadcast sheet/fender tag was mid-May 1970 - to get a more definite date, you will need more data than available on a few fender tags
I re-read your post and now understand why you brought up actual build dates versus scheduled build dates in this discussion. I agree with you that the actual date becomes a factor on what got punched on the tag. The operator of the fender tag machine very well could have been given a directive via a memo or assembly line policy to begin putting the L34 code on all the tags in mid-May for cars receiving the road lights (All BS Cudas).
A car actually built early (before any policy) with a post-511 SPD would have had its fender tag punched early so no L34 code would be punched. Conversely, a car actually built late (after any policy) with a pre-512 SPD would have the L34 code punched because that was the new policy. I see you were pointing this out to show how difficult it would be to narrow down an exact date based on an SPD.
Here's another question which, if answered, might explain why the L34 began being punched in May.
Since Plymouth did not allow road lights to be selected as an option on Gran Coupes (BP) and Barracudas (BH), did Plymouth begin allowing the road lamp option on BP and BH cars beginning in May of 1970? I know other options that were previously only on BS cars became available mid-production year.
We need to see a whole lot of fender tags for this effort.
The lowest VIN I have for a tag with L34 is 334739, with an SPD of 508. I also have a build sheet for another Cuda with SPD 508 that shows L34 on the sheet as well. So it would be my guess that tags and sheets got the L34 code starting with the same date.
The earliest SPD, but not the lowest VIN I have a FT of, is 337848. SPD is 504 on this one.
Quote from: JS23U on August 23, 2020, 08:00:11 AM
The earliest SPD, but not the lowest VIN I have a FT of, is BS23H0B337848. SPD is 504 on this one.
that's NOT an authentic Chrysler Corp. stamped fender tag :foul:
I love how you call that out, not sure how you do it, but it's impressive. :drinkingbud:
Quote from: anlauto on August 23, 2020, 10:43:31 AM
I love how you call that out, not sure how you do it, but it's impressive. :drinkingbud:
I have a picture of a fender tag for the same VIN, it is different & I don't think it is original either
:haha: :drunk:
March 2, 1970 *** date on the "REVISED" Confidential Price Bulletin that shows "L34" OPTIONAL on BH & BP - MSRP $21.75
April 3. 1970 *** date on Product Information Bulletin that states "L34" will be available on BH & BP
May 1, 1970 *** date listed as "approximate" on the above PIB for "L34" production on BH & BP
so, they were shooting for May 1st production for introduction on Barracuda & Gran Coupe ***** the question then becomes: did they plan the "L34" fender tag and/or broadcast sheet call out for the initial production or did production ask for some indication after some of the first BH/BP with "L34" builds were initiated in plant without the firewall piecing
:dunno:
based on my "Actual Production Date Calendar"
:thinking:
actual BS ('cuda) production initiated on or before Friday 5/15/70 NO "L34" on tag or sheet
actual BS ('cuda) production initiated on or after Monday 5/18/70 YES "L34" on tag and sheet
I don't have many pictures of May 1970 'cuda broadcast sheets (& "ZERO" sheets for a BH/BP with "L34"),
the day could easily change earlier or later, but over the weekend makes sense
I had already saved the 1970 BS tags from that thread but none of them were in the Scheduled Production Date (SPD) date range that we are investigating. The issue is that the actual date of production and the SPD can vary widely so whether the fender tag or the broadcast sheet has the L34 code on it depends if it was actually built before or after the mid-MAY 1970. It appears that 6bblgt has narrowed this down considerably based on actual production dates to
the following:
actual BS ('cuda) production initiated on or before Friday 5/15/70 NO "L34" on tag or sheet
actual BS ('cuda) production initiated on or after Monday 5/18/70 YES "L34" on tag and sheet
I put together the attached graphic to illustrate examples for this issue.