Thought I found my dream AAR until I saw the fender tag :'(
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Barracuda/162982490699?hash=item25f283724b:g:rm8AAOSwL3JaxdxO&vxp=mtr
I was even getting ready to "live" with the automatic... :haha:
If it was a real B7 AAR that would have been sweet. That's an awesome combo. EF8 doesn't do as much for me as the blues do, but it can be a great color when freshly done.
There's only 2 or 3 B7 AAR's known to exist.....I missed out on one years ago....never knew where it ended up...
I find it odd that there are so few EB7 AARs - as it is the closest available color to the factory race cars :stayinlane:
maybe the actual market for the cars wasn't the same group as the fans / members of the TRANS AM / SCCA & the marketing research was off because of someone's tunnel vision wanting it to be a successful endeavor :drunk: after all GM FoMoCo & AMC were already playing
I only know of 2 in EB7 - both are H6B5 & CANADA spec. one auto/one 4-speed :dunno: there has to be more :fingerscrossed:
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 16, 2018, 02:19:14 PM
I find it odd that there are so few EB7 AARs - as it is the closest available color to the factory race cars :stayinlane:
maybe the actual market for the cars wasn't the same group as the fans / members of the TRANS AM / SCCA & the marketing research was off because of someone's tunnel vision wanting it to be a successful endeavor :drunk: after all GM FoMoCo & AMC were already playing
I only know of 2 in EB7 - both are H6B5 & CANADA spec. one auto/one 4-speed :dunno: there has to be more :fingerscrossed:
I have one and it's a 4 spd.Here's the color breakdown for AAR's from TransAmCuda.com: http://www.transamcuda.com/aar-cuda-vin-list/
As of 7/22/2017 These are the color totals for the known AAR's
BL1 – 1
DY3 – 1 EV2 – 115 FJ6 – 58
EB3 – 1 EW1 – 63 FK5 – 98
EB5 – 96 FC7 – 114 FM3 – 53
EB7 – 4 FE5 – 215 FT6 – 3
EF8 – 97 FF4 – 76 FY1 – 165
EK2 – 96 FJ5 – 90 TX9 – 35
Here's the B7's on the Registry:
289 D21 EB7 EB7 H6B5 03/31/1970 SIAC CANADA Y07
(This one is mine)292 D32 EB7 EB7 H6BW 04/02/1970 SIAC CANADA Y07 - A01-A62
303 D32 EB7 EB7 H6X9 04/13/1970
309 D32 EB7 EB7 H6B5 04/17/1970 SIAC CANADA Y07
Some interesting figures there. Quite a few FJ6 ones it seems.
:unbelievable: Wow, that's fascinating, I never would have guessed that many green or pink for that matter. :dunno:
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
There's only 2 or 3 B7 AAR's known to exist.....I missed out on one years ago....never knew where it ended up...
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 05:13:11 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 03:59:01 AM
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
***WANTED***
Anybody know of an original TX9 Black AAR Cuda is for sale ? Preferably a nice number's matching project car, but would even consider a basket case project if priced accordingly...May even consider a reasonably priced show poodle version...
***NOT FOR ME****
I have a friend looking for one.... 8)
So, what do you think a done black 4 speed is worth in todays market?
A good documented example numbers matching, restored correctly......$150K-$165K probably, maybe more to the right buyer? Automatic would not bring it down that much. I don't really follow sales of TX9 cars closely...
That's about 30k-40k light.
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 05:27:19 AM
You're probably right...not a lot of AAR's topple $200K, but if they did, they would have to be black... :alan2cents:
Just a question (I'm not selling it), if I did a quality
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) or @HEMICUDA (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/hemicuda_27) restoration on my EB7 AAR 4 spd, what would it be worth on the open market?
Owned by me since 1979, (I bought it from the 2nd owner, I think it came from Westport Chrysler in Winnipeg, but not 100% sure, no idea who the 1st owner was) all numbers matching, all original sheet metal. never been in a collision, have Tags & Broadcast sheet.
Like I said, i'm not selling it, i'm just wondering how much I could sink into it and still be profitable if I did decide to sell it.
Quote from: Jim AAR on April 17, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
There's only 2 or 3 B7 AAR's known to exist.....I missed out on one years ago....never knew where it ended up...
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 05:13:11 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 03:59:01 AM
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
***WANTED***
Anybody know of an original TX9 Black AAR Cuda is for sale ? Preferably a nice number's matching project car, but would even consider a basket case project if priced accordingly...May even consider a reasonably priced show poodle version...
***NOT FOR ME****
I have a friend looking for one.... 8)
So, what do you think a done black 4 speed is worth in todays market?
A good documented example numbers matching, restored correctly......$150K-$165K probably, maybe more to the right buyer? Automatic would not bring it down that much. I don't really follow sales of TX9 cars closely...
That's about 30k-40k light.
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 05:27:19 AM
You're probably right...not a lot of AAR's topple $200K, but if they did, they would have to be black... :alan2cents:
Just a question (I'm not selling it), if I did a quality @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) or @HEMICUDA (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/hemicuda_27) restoration on my EB7 AAR 4 spd, what would it be worth on the open market?
Owned by me since 1979, (I bought it from the 2nd owner, I think it came from Westport Chrysler in Winnipeg, but not 100% sure, no idea who the 1st owner was) all numbers matching, all original sheet metal. never been in a collision, have Tags & Broadcast sheet.
Like I said, i'm not selling it, i'm just wondering how much I could sink into it and still be profitable if I did decide to sell it.
Six figures, more if its a 4 spd and all numbers car.
Quote from: Jim AAR on April 17, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
There's only 2 or 3 B7 AAR's known to exist.....I missed out on one years ago....never knew where it ended up...
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 05:13:11 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 03:59:01 AM
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
***WANTED***
Anybody know of an original TX9 Black AAR Cuda is for sale ? Preferably a nice number's matching project car, but would even consider a basket case project if priced accordingly...May even consider a reasonably priced show poodle version...
***NOT FOR ME****
I have a friend looking for one.... 8)
So, what do you think a done black 4 speed is worth in todays market?
A good documented example numbers matching, restored correctly......$150K-$165K probably, maybe more to the right buyer? Automatic would not bring it down that much. I don't really follow sales of TX9 cars closely...
That's about 30k-40k light.
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 05:27:19 AM
You're probably right...not a lot of AAR's topple $200K, but if they did, they would have to be black... :alan2cents:
Just a question (I'm not selling it), if I did a quality @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) or @HEMICUDA (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/hemicuda_27) restoration on my EB7 AAR 4 spd, what would it be worth on the open market?
Owned by me since 1979, (I bought it from the 2nd owner, I think it came from Westport Chrysler in Winnipeg, but not 100% sure, no idea who the 1st owner was) all numbers matching, all original sheet metal. never been in a collision, have Tags & Broadcast sheet.
Like I said, i'm not selling it, i'm just wondering how much I could sink into it and still be profitable if I did decide to sell it.
That's a tough one for me to answer Jim, I haven't seen a B7 4 speed restored to that level sold. If I had to guess, with the rarity of that color, north of 100K maybe as high as 135K to the right person.
Quote from: 303 Mopar on April 17, 2018, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: Jim AAR on April 17, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
There's only 2 or 3 B7 AAR's known to exist.....I missed out on one years ago....never knew where it ended up...
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 05:13:11 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 03:59:01 AM
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
***WANTED***
Anybody know of an original TX9 Black AAR Cuda is for sale ? Preferably a nice number's matching project car, but would even consider a basket case project if priced accordingly...May even consider a reasonably priced show poodle version...
***NOT FOR ME****
I have a friend looking for one.... 8)
So, what do you think a done black 4 speed is worth in todays market?
A good documented example numbers matching, restored correctly......$150K-$165K probably, maybe more to the right buyer? Automatic would not bring it down that much. I don't really follow sales of TX9 cars closely...
That's about 30k-40k light.
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 05:27:19 AM
You're probably right...not a lot of AAR's topple $200K, but if they did, they would have to be black... :alan2cents:
Just a question (I'm not selling it), if I did a quality @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) or @HEMICUDA (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/hemicuda_27) restoration on my EB7 AAR 4 spd, what would it be worth on the open market?
Owned by me since 1979, (I bought it from the 2nd owner, I think it came from Westport Chrysler in Winnipeg, but not 100% sure, no idea who the 1st owner was) all numbers matching, all original sheet metal. never been in a collision, have Tags & Broadcast sheet.
Like I said, i'm not selling it, i'm just wondering how much I could sink into it and still be profitable if I did decide to sell it.
Six figures, more if its a 4 spd and all numbers car.
It is a 4 spd, all numbers matching, all original sheet metal, Fender Tags, Broadcast sheet, owned by me since 1979.
It's not the "car" that's worth $200K when you're talking about TX9 black AAR's......it's the demand. There are a lot of potential buyers looking specifically for black cars and what's cooler then a black AAR. They very rarely come up for sale....so if a good one was to go to auction, the price would certainly be driven up a lot higher then your average AAR. I believe member HEMICUDA owns one, so he would have a better idea of what it would take to buy his....hence the $200K dollar figure.
Now as for yours.....Any properly restored documented, numbers matching AAR Cuda in a decent colour should fetch six figures or really close...in the $90's for sure.
Yours being very unique with B7 exterior, B5 interior and a four speed....would be in the $110K -$115K likely, but you wouldn't have the same demand as a black one, or pink one, and a lot of buyers would look for other high impact colours besides dark blue as well....
If I restored your car, it would cost roughly $60K+ so I think you would be doing okay :alan2cents:
Quote from: Jim AAR on April 17, 2018, 08:05:17 AM
Quote from: 303 Mopar on April 17, 2018, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: Jim AAR on April 17, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
There's only 2 or 3 B7 AAR's known to exist.....I missed out on one years ago....never knew where it ended up...
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 05:13:11 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 03:59:01 AM
Quote from: HEMICUDA on April 17, 2018, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
***WANTED***
Anybody know of an original TX9 Black AAR Cuda is for sale ? Preferably a nice number's matching project car, but would even consider a basket case project if priced accordingly...May even consider a reasonably priced show poodle version...
***NOT FOR ME****
I have a friend looking for one.... 8)
So, what do you think a done black 4 speed is worth in todays market?
A good documented example numbers matching, restored correctly......$150K-$165K probably, maybe more to the right buyer? Automatic would not bring it down that much. I don't really follow sales of TX9 cars closely...
That's about 30k-40k light.
Quote from: anlauto on April 17, 2018, 05:27:19 AM
You're probably right...not a lot of AAR's topple $200K, but if they did, they would have to be black... :alan2cents:
Just a question (I'm not selling it), if I did a quality @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) or @HEMICUDA (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/hemicuda_27) restoration on my EB7 AAR 4 spd, what would it be worth on the open market?
Owned by me since 1979, (I bought it from the 2nd owner, I think it came from Westport Chrysler in Winnipeg, but not 100% sure, no idea who the 1st owner was) all numbers matching, all original sheet metal. never been in a collision, have Tags & Broadcast sheet.
Like I said, i'm not selling it, i'm just wondering how much I could sink into it and still be profitable if I did decide to sell it.
Six figures, more if its a 4 spd and all numbers car.
It is a 4 spd, all numbers matching, all original sheet metal, Fender Tags, Broadcast sheet, owned by me since 1979.
The AAR's and TA's have come down a little recently but I would guess $125-135. :notsure:
Quote from: Jim AAR on April 17, 2018, 07:40:41 AMJust a question (I'm not selling it), if I did a quality @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) or @HEMICUDA (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/hemicuda_27) restoration on my EB7 AAR 4 spd, what would it be worth on the open market?
Owned by me since 1979, (I bought it from the 2nd owner, I think it came from Westport Chrysler in Winnipeg, but not 100% sure, no idea who the 1st owner was) all numbers matching, all original sheet metal. never been in a collision, have Tags & Broadcast sheet.
Like I said, i'm not selling it, i'm just wondering how much I could sink into it and still be profitable if I did decide to sell it.
taking apart a presentable, running & driving car can be a gamble .....
sell it now & it's worth $50K - $75K
wisely spend $50K now it's worth $70K - $100K
wisely spend $75K now it's worth $100K - $135K
restoration costs & time required can change quickly - sale prices are not guaranteed either
if you were having these same thoughts in 2008 it would've sounded like a good plan, unless you needed to sell in 2010
:iagree: Very wise words spoken here...
Thanks everybody.....
Considering I have less than $30,000 cdn invested in it over the years including what I paid for it, I could spend $60,000 cdn and still not lose any money if I sold it.
All of the mechanical parts have already been rebuilt and restored (Engine, Trans, Diff, Front End, etc.) and I would disassemble, sandblast and rebuild whatever other mechanical parts I need to do myself.
The unknown expense would be any rust repair that is not currently visible until I blast it, it will not be extensive and is fairly minimal. The biggest expense would be the final bodywork and paint.
95% of the original parts are still on the car and in very good condition. I have already priced out & estimated that I would need to spend around $5000 USD on parts that I need and maybe about $2000 on parts that I would maybe replace (depending on how well I can get them to the condition I want them in).
So all told, I would be comfortably ahead of the game and that is a good thing. :banana: :banana:
I for one know that Alan would do a much more detailed job then I could ever do for the same $$$$.
Just sayin....
:cheers:
Quote from: HP_Cuda on April 18, 2018, 10:57:02 AM
I for one know that Alan would do a much more detailed job then I could ever do for the same $$$$.
Just sayin....
:cheers:
Probably, but to me most of the fun in owning these cars is working on them, and then driving them and displaying your handiwork. That gives me alot of pride in knowing what I can accomplish with my own hands. I'm not looking for OE Perfect, I don't show the car and have no desire to. I would still drive it and OE perfect cars are rarely driven. I prefer drivers over trailer queens.
My car already has almost all of the Original parts with the exception of the Starter (Not Date Coded), Alternator (Not Date Coded), Distributor (Updated to Direct Connection Electronic), Exhaust Manifolds (have Headers on), Carbs (don't have the OEM Holley Vacuum ones, I have the Holley Mechanical ones), Master Cylinder (I have the 1971 - MC36307 and s/b the 1970 2229171- couldn't get it even in 1982) , Shocks, Front Disc Rotors (I have 1 piece and not 2-couldn't get them even in 1982), Calipers (I have the 1971 KH86168 - Small Mouth & s/b 1970 KH80012 Large Mouth - couldn't get them even in 1982). And I likely won't replace any of these parts anyways as there is nothing wrong with them.
The only thing I really can't do myself or don't have the confidence in doing to make it mint is the final Bodywork & Paint.
I think it's great that you want to do your own car for sure....I wish I had a car to restore for myself too... :crying:
However, just a side note....the numbers $$$ I was throwing around would be for a complete nut & bolt professional trailer queen type resto....having the car strip and painted and throwing a bunch of old parts back on.....makes a big difference in resale value.
I think you'll still do alright though....Around here....just to get the shell of the car from where it is now to final paint would cost around $30K CDN IF THERE'S NO MAJOR RUST.....Maybe in your area, quality paint jobs are cheaper ?
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2018, 12:44:31 PM
Thought I found my dream AAR until I saw the fender tag :'(
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Barracuda/162982490699?hash=item25f283724b:g:rm8AAOSwL3JaxdxO&vxp=mtr
I was even getting ready to "live" with the automatic... :haha:
Does that sound like a lifter tick or worse in the video??
Jim: You could strip the body, send it out for body and paint and clean/coat/refresh all the little parts while it was gone. That's pretty much what works for Alan. I also agree with Alan, around here a quality body job is going to cost $30k if the body is in pretty good shape. The reason I didn't have my 66 Hemi Coronet painted it because the whole car looked pretty good as-is and I knew if the body was painted then I would have to refresh parts that were pretty darn good to start with.
Quote from: anlauto on April 18, 2018, 01:09:02 PM
I think it's great that you want to do your own car for sure....I wish I had a car to restore for myself too... :crying:
However, just a side note....the numbers $$$ I was throwing around would be for a complete nut & bolt professional trailer queen type resto....having the car strip and painted and throwing a bunch of old parts back on.....makes a big difference in resale value.
I think you'll still do alright though....Around here....just to get the shell of the car from where it is now to final paint would cost around $30K CDN IF THERE'S NO MAJOR RUST.....Maybe in your area, quality paint jobs are cheaper ?
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 18, 2018, 07:19:30 PM
Jim: You could strip the body, send it out for body and paint and clean/coat/refresh all the little parts while it was gone. That's pretty much what works for Alan. I also agree with Alan, around here a quality body job is going to cost $30k if the body is in pretty good shape. The reason I didn't have my 66 Hemi Coronet painted it because the whole car looked pretty good as-is and I knew if the body was painted then I would have to refresh parts that were pretty darn good to start with.
Yeah that's what i figured Alan, not sure how much a quality paint job would cost here, but I do have some friends that have body shops, so i'm sure I could work something out with them where I could do some of the grunt work, IE, sanding, blocking, etc to keep some of the costs down.
I am thinking about it because it was restored in the early 80's and it's starting to show it's age, not by decay (IE Rust), the body was already stripped to metal and the Engine compartment sandblasted once and all the rust was cut out and the metal replaced and thankfully there has not been any recurrences of rust. It has always been stored in a dry garage since I bought it in 79.
The only 2 reasons I am even contemplating doing it is because (1) The body paint is starting to show it's age (IE cracking and some deep scratches from the past 35 years) my friend did it in his small paint booth at his homeshop and it is in Lacquer because the plan was to block it out again after a couple of years and then clear coat it but my painter buddy moved away and that never happened. (2) The Engine & Engine compartment paint has damage from Battery Acid eating the paint and leaving black spots all over from when my Electronic Voltage Regulator pinned on me and blew the tops off my Battery spraying acid all over my freshly painted engine & engine compartment while I was coming home from the lake, never even noticed it until I got home and popped the hood and almost :crying:
I think you need to charge more so you can get your own car Alan....... LOL :D
You are right Sheldon, that is kind of where I am at, If I went this route, I would do just that with parts that are still pretty good and working fine and really don't need to be done but I would do that anyways because I am a little too much of a perfectionist too not do it as I would always be second guessing myself after it was done that I should have done it.
For now (well over the next couple of years anyways), I think I am just going to pull the engine, paint it, repaint the engine compartment, replace the carpet (the Legendary carpet now is so much nicer than the carpet I could get in the 80's), repaint my Interior panels and trim (it was painted once and is starting to flake in places), put the Spoilers back on and a get a stripe kit, get some of the parts that I can get now that I couldn't get in the 80's and just drive it.