I wasn't going to post this car because it's a customer car and it's really not my place, he gave me the "go ahead". I didn't have much interest managing a thread like this, I figured members here should see how a true "professional" handles a customer restoration. These are some of the progress pictures, this is the car we were working on at the same time as Ross's gorgeous orange 71 shaker Cuda posted on another thread.
All the interior parts have been powder coated "in house". We do all our own interiors as well, I per-heat the seats in the powder coating oven to soften the vinyl so it's much easier to stretch over the frame.
Every single part, suspension and interior, bare metal or not, has been powder coated.
I'm in the process of assembly, I will be running the engine tomorrow on my engine run stand before paint. Just for the record, every single picture you see here of this restoration is done here at my shop. This stuff is so important to a high end restoration, I would never rely on any one other than what we do in my shop to get to this level.
Awesome work Mike. Everyone should take note of the correct floorpan finish (colour and exterior paint blow in). This car will last forever.
That sure is some very impressive work. The nicest I've ever seen. I have one question if I may , just how "Stinkin rich" must one be to afford such nice work?
Quote from: RJChallenger on April 15, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
That sure is some very impressive work. The nicest I've ever seen. I have one question if I may , just how "Stinkin rich" must one be to afford such nice work?
You don't, all the real money is where others fall crazy short, :drunk: it's all in the metal work body and paint. I actually personally did all the blasting and powder coating on all the parts for Barry's car and I threaten him I need to triple my personal labor rate, problem is, I did the math and 3 x 0 is still 0. :rofl: The only labor I've charged him is what I have to pay my outstandingly talented guys, I haven't charged him a penny for my labor and I will be doing all the assembly work. :yes:
Don't take this as bragging, I retired at 45 and don't need the money, I love these cars and the process of polishing a turd and making it a shiny diamond.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 15, 2020, 09:59:21 AM
Awesome work Mike. Everyone should take note of the correct floorpan finish. This car will last forever.
Thx for that Sheldon, :worship: that's no more than PPG Grey/green epoxy. PPG supplied all the top coats to MOPAR back in the day. Compared to my 3900 mile survivor 6bbl Cuda, that's the closest color I've seen to the dip color from back in the day.
WOW! Amazing job. I know you said you powder coat all the bare metal but what about the rotor surfaces where the brake pads contact them?
Quote from: njsteve on April 15, 2020, 10:28:45 AM
WOW! Amazing job. I know you said you powder coat all the bare metal but what about the rotor surfaces where the brake pads contact them?
I lied, everywhere except the rotor surfaces.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 15, 2020, 09:59:21 AM
Awesome work Mike. Everyone should take note of the correct floorpan finish (colour and exterior paint blow in). This car will last forever.
:iagree: :1place: My car is an undercoat car and I like that look also. The primer with the color overspray is the way to go (and the way the factory did it). No painted bottoms for me! :alan2cents:
I am glad you didn't powder coat the rotors :thinking: :Thud:
Body
My very own top secret paint formula, whoops, I gave it up on another thread.
Any one paying a "professional", this is what you should expect. It's not that we are better than other upper level restorers, this is what should be expected from a professional MOPAR restoration shop.
What a great car! Love following your projects Mike, first class. Plus I am sure to learn something following along :banana:
Beautiful work on the AAR. I hope some day to treat my 71 convertible to that kind of restoration. I see you are located in Ohio. I bought my car in Toledo.
Terry
WOW!!! That is Impressive, I appreciate the level of detail, and how you share the processes and procedure's to get to that level. :thankyou: :1place:
Quote from: RJChallenger on April 15, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
I have one question if I may , just how "Stinkin rich" must one be to afford such nice work?
Being Mike's most recent customer (I'm the guy with the 71 Shaker 340 Cuda) I can say its not cheap....I'm a Federal hourly wage employee in the U.S Air Force and am not "Stinkin Rich" in any way, shape or form. I Blew thru all my saved "Car" money but I wanted everything done right and I worked at Mike's pace (which was fast) so it was hard to save more money while I was shelling it out. I also was having my 340 built at a "High End" shop at the same time and that end costing double what I thought it would and then there was all the other parts and components I was restoring on my own at home and supplying Mike with all the parts as he needed them to keep the build going. Did I put a strain on my Finance's ? Hell Yes !!! but Was It worth it ...Hell Yes, to that too. I have restored several cars over the past 30 years, all have had paint jobs I was proud of, My Cuda is at the extreme top of that list... but it should for the money I spent but where a shop like Mike's shines is the love and passion he has for caring about correctness and attention to detail to make sure the car is done the right way. I can't tell you how many parts Mike re-did in powder coat get them 100% spot on correct all for no additional cost, Like Mike said ... I paid money for materials and his talented crew, everything Mike did or helped me with was free of charge. So when your looking for a Restoration shop to do your Mopar you have to look at what your really going to get for the money you spend, like Mike said everything was done "in house" It wasn't "Restored by a collision shop that wanted some side work when times are slow. I cant tell you how many times he was out in the shop making sure his guys were getting the details dialed in the right way. The components are/were Professionally powder coated not just sprayed with Rattle can paint that's just close to the right color. He uses only the best parts and knows who to get those parts from. I could go on and on but I hope this begins to get the point across that you get what you pay for and with some other shops work you pay about the same money but get far less in the end.
Most of us are on a budget but if you have a home garage and air compressor you can achieve the same results. It takes sweat equity and proper tools but there is absolutely no reason it can't be done. I do pretty much all my own work and the money I save on labour I use to buy tools to do the work. It takes longer but a normal person can do pretty much everything with a bit of guidance and a correct goal to work for. I love Mike's threads because they show the correct goal to shoot for.
:iagree: And explains in detail! :yes:
I'm glad you're finally posting these pictures Mike. It looks good. :popcorn: :P
Quote from: 76orangewagon on April 15, 2020, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: RJChallenger on April 15, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
I have one question if I may , just how "Stinkin rich" must one be to afford such nice work?
Being Mike's most recent customer (I'm the guy with the 71 Shaker 340 Cuda) I can say its not cheap....I'm a Federal hourly wage employee in the U.S Air Force and am not "Stinkin Rich" in any way, shape or form. I Blew thru all my saved "Car" money but I wanted everything done right and I worked at Mike's pace (which was fast) so it was hard to save more money while I was shelling it out. I also was having my 340 built at a "High End" shop at the same time and that end costing double what I thought it would and then there was all the other parts and components I was restoring on my own at home and supplying Mike with all the parts as he needed them to keep the build going. Did I put a strain on my Finance's ? Hell Yes !!! but Was It worth it ...Hell Yes, to that too. I have restored several cars over the past 30 years, all have had paint jobs I was proud of, My Cuda is at the extreme top of that list... but it should for the money I spent but where a shop like Mike's shines is the love and passion he has for caring about correctness and attention to detail to make sure the car is done the right way. I can't tell you how many parts Mike re-did in powder coat get them 100% spot on correct all for no additional cost, Like Mike said ... I paid money for materials and his talented crew, everything Mike did or helped me with was free of charge. So when your looking for a Restoration shop to do your Mopar you have to look at what your really going to get for the money you spend, like Mike said everything was done "in house" It wasn't "Restored by a collision shop that wanted some side work when times are slow. I cant tell you how many times he was out in the shop making sure his guys were getting the details dialed in the right way. The components are/were Professionally powder coated not just sprayed with Rattle can paint that's just close to the right color. He uses only the best parts and knows who to get those parts from. I could go on and on but I hope this begins to get the point across that you get what you pay for and with some other shops work you pay about the same money but get far less in the end.
I believe I started with " That sure is some very impressive work. The nicest I've ever seen. " Which I truly meant. I did however think the comment true "Professional" was a slight against many or one member(s) of this site, myself included. I joined this site to help motivate me once again on my car. While most threads on this site, the greatest MOPAR site do exactly that. It was not my intention to upset any owners of some of the nicest cars on the planet.If I did I'm sorry.
Quote from: RJChallenger on April 15, 2020, 03:18:15 PM
Quote from: 76orangewagon on April 15, 2020, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: RJChallenger on April 15, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
I have one question if I may , just how "Stinkin rich" must one be to afford such nice work?
Being Mike's most recent customer (I'm the guy with the 71 Shaker 340 Cuda) I can say its not cheap....I'm a Federal hourly wage employee in the U.S Air Force and am not "Stinkin Rich" in any way, shape or form. I Blew thru all my saved "Car" money but I wanted everything done right and I worked at Mike's pace (which was fast) so it was hard to save more money while I was shelling it out. I also was having my 340 built at a "High End" shop at the same time and that end costing double what I thought it would and then there was all the other parts and components I was restoring on my own at home and supplying Mike with all the parts as he needed them to keep the build going. Did I put a strain on my Finance's ? Hell Yes !!! but Was It worth it ...Hell Yes, to that too. I have restored several cars over the past 30 years, all have had paint jobs I was proud of, My Cuda is at the extreme top of that list... but it should for the money I spent but where a shop like Mike's shines is the love and passion he has for caring about correctness and attention to detail to make sure the car is done the right way. I can't tell you how many parts Mike re-did in powder coat get them 100% spot on correct all for no additional cost, Like Mike said ... I paid money for materials and his talented crew, everything Mike did or helped me with was free of charge. So when your looking for a Restoration shop to do your Mopar you have to look at what your really going to get for the money you spend, like Mike said everything was done "in house" It wasn't "Restored by a collision shop that wanted some side work when times are slow. I cant tell you how many times he was out in the shop making sure his guys were getting the details dialed in the right way. The components are/were Professionally powder coated not just sprayed with Rattle can paint that's just close to the right color. He uses only the best parts and knows who to get those parts from. I could go on and on but I hope this begins to get the point across that you get what you pay for and with some other shops work you pay about the same money but get far less in the end.
I believe I started with " That sure is some very impressive work. The nicest I've ever seen. " Which I truly meant. I did however think the comment true "Professional" was a slight against many or one member(s) of this site, myself included. I joined this site to help motivate me once again on my car. While most threads on this site, the greatest MOPAR site do exactly that. It was not my intention to upset any owners of some of the nicest cars on the planet.If I did I'm sorry.
I Never even considered this as offensive or upsetting. I felt that since that being a recent customer would take the opportunity to address the cost associated with a build at a dedicated Mopar shop and explain some of the differences I've used in my 30 years of using various shops to paint my cars, Mike handled the paint and body work but like the majority of members I did almost all the component restoration at home in my garage.
Only in my dreams will my car ever be as nice as yours . After putting three kids through university, the youngest med school its a struggle to to buy quality parts. I really enjoy all the fabrication work and have learned to paint the car myself. But after waiting 37 years for it's my time, I have a better chance of dying than actually finishing / driving the car
How many pink AAR's are out there? Pretty wild stuff here. Its going to look killer.
Here's the body shutz in the rear wells and rocker blackout, this is the last thing I do before the car is taken off the cradle. The rocker black is way to neat and tidy compared to original, another liberty I take. I didn't have the rear end bumper wedges and correct factory bolts at the time I did the wells, those will get shutz over spray on them also.
I also break in and tune every engine before I go through the labor of assembling the entire driveline & suspension that will be put in thru the bottom of the car. I don't want any surprises after it's in the car, it's much easier fixing any leaks or correct any other issues now. This is not a "dyno" it's a cheap engine run stand with my cheesy looking universal exhaust. Once I call the engine "good", I will disassemble all the parts, that wern't on the engine when it was originally painted, and drag it into the paint booth for the correct orange.
I remember back in the day when a car got a paint job, the rocker panels would be ruff from over spray. Those look better than the factory did them! :slapme5: :bravo:
That stand brings back memories. A shop in Michigan rebuilt my T/A's engine and ran it on a stand that looked much like that one.
And it turned out the date coded water pump I'd found and sent to someone in CA to rebuild several years earlier started leaking. :(
The engine sat for a year or more because the restoration shop in MI the car was at wouldn't make any progress.
So I finally made arrangements to move the car out of that shop to a established well regarded shop here in IL, and before we traveled there to MI retrieve everything from 2 shops, my engine guy Ron said he'd paint the engine for me, and the shop in IL said no, we will do it, don't let him paint it!
So after I got the car painted and partially reassembled to a "roller" at the IL shop, and finished the assembly in my garage, it finally was time to try to start the engine in my car!
So me and several buddies including Mopar Mitch here were playing around trying to get it started, I'm in the drivers seat turning the key while Mitch and another buddy made adjustments under the hood.
After a few minutes I notice a reflection on the engine and said hey wait a minute, and we look closer and the intake manifold runners have pools of gas in them! The damn lines are leaking at the carbs.
We are cleaning up the gas, and I notice that paint was lifting on the manifold where the gas had pooled. :o
We tried everything without success to get the lines sealed to stop the leaking. Finally I called Ron the guy who built the engine, and he says put red grease on the fuel line fitting threads. I'm like, can't be that easy... he said try it. So I did, worked like a charm! I mentioned the paint problem, and Ron said, Jesus, don't tell me your shop didn't use fuel resistant paint on your engine??
I apologize for the long story, but reading these threads on cars Mike works on and how well everything goes with customer projects and his happy customers, in contrast with all the hell I dealt with with shops on my restoration, makes me very envious!
I'm still fixing some odds and ends the shop in IL did. :pullinghair: :headbang:
Quote from: JH27N0B on April 16, 2020, 06:52:14 AM
That stand brings back memories. A shop in Michigan rebuilt my T/A's engine and ran it on a stand that looked much like that one.
And it turned out the date coded water pump I'd found and sent to someone in CA to rebuild several years earlier started leaking. :(
The engine sat for a year or more because the restoration shop in MI the car was at wouldn't make any progress.
So I finally made arrangements to move the car out of that shop to a established well regarded shop here in IL, and before we traveled there to MI retrieve everything from 2 shops, my engine guy Ron said he'd paint the engine for me, and the shop in IL said no, we will do it, don't let him paint it!
So after I got the car painted and partially reassembled to a "roller" at the IL shop, and finished the assembly in my garage, it finally was time to try to start the engine in my car!
So me and several buddies including Mopar Mitch here were playing around trying to get it started, I'm in the drivers seat turning the key while Mitch and another buddy made adjustments under the hood.
After a few minutes I notice a reflection on the engine and said hey wait a minute, and we look closer and the intake manifold runners have pools of gas in them! The damn lines are leaking at the carbs.
We are cleaning up the gas, and I notice that paint was lifting on the manifold where the gas had pooled. :o
We tried everything without success to get the lines sealed to stop the leaking. Finally I called Ron the guy who built the engine, and he says put red grease on the fuel line fitting threads. I'm like, can't be that easy... he said try it. So I did, worked like a charm! I mentioned the paint problem, and Ron said, Jesus, don't tell me your shop didn't use fuel resistant paint on your engine??
I apologize for the long story, but reading these threads on cars Mike works on and how well everything goes with customer projects and his happy customers, in contrast with all the hell I dealt with with shops on my restoration, makes me very envious!
I'm still fixing some odds and ends the shop in IL did. :pullinghair: :headbang:
Thx for that, that's one thing I learned years ago doing my own cars, the red 6bbl Cuda I own leaked at every single fitting at the carbs on first start up and soaked everything. That was over 20 years ago, I learned my lesson. I have never used SS lines again on anything and run every motor before I have to lean over fenders to fix things that would have been much easier outside of the car.
It seams there's always something leaking somewhere and I hate leaks of any kind no matter how small it is, it's so much easier addressing any issue out of the car. I know for certain when I do the initial start up in the car and if it doesn't start, it's always something to do with spark and not the engine.
I've been fortunate, when I run the motor first, I haven't had any issues once it in the car other than a leaky power steering pump.
My fuel lines aren't stainless steel. Other than the water pump, I'm sure my engine had no leaks when run on the stand.
The shop in IL removed the lines, carbs, distributor etc to paint the engine.
We made the classic distributor rotated 180 degrees mistake when we first tried to start the engine.
I guess you get a 50% chance of that happening.
As far as the red grease on threads trick, how it was explained to me, the threads often have little burrs or imperfections on them, so when you tighten the lines, they feel tight but the fitting might be hung up on a burr not fully seated. A little grease on the threads allows the fitting to thread past the burrs and fully seat. Easy peasy!
Don't try that on brake line fittings though, I'm not sure if a little trace of petroleum grease getting in the brake fluid would be enough to damage EPDM seals, but I wouldn't take the risk!
Quote from: JH27N0B on April 16, 2020, 07:43:37 AM
My fuel lines aren't stainless steel. Other than the water pump, I'm sure my engine had no leaks when run on the stand.
The shop in IL removed the lines, carbs, distributor etc to paint the engine.
We made the classic distributor rotated 180 degrees mistake when we first tried to start the engine.
I guess you get a 50% chance of that happening.
As far as the red grease on threads trick, how it was explained to me, the threads often have little burrs or imperfections on them, so when you tighten the lines, they feel tight but the fitting might be hung up on a burr not fully seated. A little grease on the threads allows the fitting to thread past the burrs and fully seat. Easy peasy!
Don't try that on brake line fittings though, I'm not sure if a little trace of petroleum grease getting in the brake fluid would be enough to damage EPDM seals, but I wouldn't take the risk!
I've never thought of that on a fitting, thinking the line is seated, that makes total sense. It's amazing what can be learned from guys that have been doing it for any period of time, I learned something new and valuable today, thx. :bigthumb:
Here is the parking brake assembly going into this car. I powder coated the bare metal and the black in a 2 step process. I also had to make the "ratchet" spring since it was missing.
Truly inspiring! Makes me want another car just to try all the things learned here. Well I always want another car but having one is a bit different.
Go Mike and Company!
Love it Live it!
Quote from: Wayne on April 15, 2020, 11:22:31 AM
What a great car! Love following your projects Mike, first class. Plus I am sure to learn something following along :banana:
I'll tell you what Wayne, you have any questions or need help with anything, don't hesitate to call me brother. Over the years, I've screwed up everything at least once and figured it out from trial and error and help from others. :tool:
330-725-3990
Why do I see some Cudas with the cowl black and others body color? I have a 340 1970 Vitamin C Cuda and it doesn't look to ever have had a black paint on it?
:popcorn:
Anybody know?????
1970 e-bodies in all colors except EB7(dark blue), EF8 (dark green) & TX9 (black) are supposed to have cowl & core support "blackout"
there are known cars in the above colors with "blackout" & I'm sure there are original paint cars missing the treatment, but it is NOT the "norm"
Thank you!
Beautiful work Mike.
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 17, 2020, 08:15:38 PM
1970 e-bodies in all colors except EB7(dark blue), EF8 (dark green) & TX9 (black) are supposed to have cowl & core support "blackout"
there are known cars in the above colors with "blackout" & I'm sure there are original paint cars missing the treatment, but it is NOT the "norm"
i think there is a time change in production in 1970 , but somebody more educated will have to confirm when.
Mike-Mike-Mike, I am not sure what I should say because I am afraid with any additions to this thread you will not be able to find any off-the-rack hat that would fit the melon sitting on top of your neck but.... :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
You/your shops restorations attention to detail, ACCURATE detail, is fantastic. To see the work you and your crew turn out, and knowing what other options are out there,aside from a few others that could match your completed projects, I would have to believe there is no shortage of people that would be looking to have you preform your magic on their cars.
Over the years I have been lucky enough to see in person many high end "OE" restored cars (as well as great surivors), cars done to the highest standards and by some of the best restoration "authorities" and yours is in lock step with those shops. What truly impresses me though is the amount of correct restoration of parts used that are done IN SHOP!!!
To know when a customer gives you restored parts to put on their car that are not up to your standard,that you have "re-restore" them correctly and then don't charge the customer, that speaks VOLUMES to the pride of workmanship and the quality of an end product you intend to deliver. I can assure you, most shops would either tell the customer that there will be a an additional cost to correctly re-restore those parts, or, they will just use the parts the way they are because "those are the parts the customer gave them", without mentioning the parts are sub-pare.
Enough fluff though, your ego doesn't need any help,this is just my honest opinion as much as it pains me to say it . ;)
There's no denying your love for the cars and your willingness to take a moment to help ANYONE with a problem or question is something to be admired and respected.
I can tell you this, if the day comes when I decide it's time to restore my Cuda convertible from driver to that level, I will ask you (to use your words) if you and your team would polish that turd into a diamond.
Until then,keep up the great work Mike. :cheers:
Quote from: chris NOS on April 18, 2020, 03:13:40 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 17, 2020, 08:15:38 PM
1970 e-bodies in all colors except EB7(dark blue), EF8 (dark green) & TX9 (black) are supposed to have cowl & core support "blackout"
there are known cars in the above colors with "blackout" & I'm sure there are original paint cars missing the treatment, but it is NOT the "norm"
i think there is a time change in production in 1970 , but somebody more educated will have to confirm when.
when & where was the above mentioned "Vitamin C" 'cuda built, got pics?
here's the cowl on my mid-July 1970 built FF4 Challenger :rubeyes:
QuoteEnough fluff though, your ego doesn't need any help,this is just my honest opinion as much as it pains me to say it . ;)
Well, I'll be the first to say that after Jim's galvanizing invigoration in the above post I'm going to get Mike a fitted cape and send it to the shop
"I'm going to get Mike a fitted cape and send it to the shop"....LOL Terry, will you be taking yours off to make the pattern??...Oh master of all that is NOS and original :worship:
I wish I knew what you have forgotten my friend :cheers:
This AAR is going to be beautiful! It would be interesting to know how many pink AARs were produced..... I'm sure it has to be as rare as hens teeth.
I love E bodies and have always dreamed of having either an AAR or a T/A. My life has lead me down the Mopar A body path. My first car was a 1970 Duster 340 which I have managed to keep since 1979. I met Mike through an acquaintance after being thoroughly screwed by another body/ restoration shop. We agreed that he would help me finish my shell so that I could assemble my project. I had started my project in 2012 and had completed all my component restorations before Mike got my body.
This project was my first attempt at a restoration. Now that my car is finished, I can tell you that I have the utmost respect for Mike and the quality of his work. His work exceeded all my expectations and he was able to complete the project in a very timely manner. I'm sure that Mike is glad to get back to working on E bodies after have to deal with all the body lines of my 1970 Duster. Your AAR is good hands.
https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/finally-getting-to-it-1970-duster-340.225784/
while I won't call it common, there are a lot of FM3 T/As and AARs (& FJ6 to a lesser extent due to its similarity to FJ5)
due to both the color and the TRANS AM cars being released in the spring - it was a perfect place to "showcase" what's new :wowzers:
- the majority of FM3 'cudas (BS23) are AARs - as of July 2017 the AAR registry can account for 53
- the majority of FM3 Challengers (JH23) are T/As - has anyone seen a recent known #?, last I saw was north of 50 also
(BS23 w/FM3 ~150)
(JH23 w/FM3 ~277)
Thanks for the info 6bblgt. Higher numbers than I expected but I'm sure that 50 years of attrition have helped to bring those numbers down. Thanks for the info and insight.
Quote from: JEJJ on April 18, 2020, 04:01:11 PM
"I'm going to get Mike a fitted cape and send it to the shop"....LOL Terry, will you be taking yours off to make the pattern??...Oh master of all that is NOS and original :worship:
I wish I knew what you have forgotten my friend :cheers:
There is no way I can wear the cape that Terry wears, my shoes are no where near big enough to support it, he's been the quiet master Yoda for many years. :worship:
Quote from: 71REDCUDA on April 18, 2020, 01:02:55 AM
Beautiful work Mike.
Thx for that brother, aside from our metal work/body and paint, I would be more than happy to be compared to the detail work you do. :worship:
Quote from: fjrdoc on April 19, 2020, 05:11:53 AM
Thanks for the info 6bblgt. Higher numbers than I expected but I'm sure that 50 years of attrition have helped to bring those numbers down. Thanks for the info and insight.
there may be a few "known dead & gone" but the numbers keep increasing as cars are found, info shared & noticed because they're restored to original "PINK"
My Vitamin C was built 9/26/69 in Hamtramck MI
Looking good Mike.
Quote from: fjrdoc on April 26, 2020, 07:03:13 AM
Looking good Mike.
We do the best we can with the little talent we have, sometimes it's stretched thin, but we get there. :D
I like the processes you developed, :bravo: That kind of deduction can only come from a deeply disturbed man! :haha: Looking forward to seeing more, as this gives encouragement to achieve a better result. :handshake:
:huh: Funny, I thought this thread WAS positive!!! He is showing some well crafted processes to show members how to achieve a better way of restoring and reconditioning parts and assembles.
Quote from: JS29 on April 27, 2020, 07:51:53 AM
:huh: Funny, I thought this thread WAS positive!!! He is showing some well crafted processes to show members how to achieve a better way of restoring and reconditioning parts and assembles.
That is the reason he didn't get banned forever . . . He has the knowledge and ability to add positive material to this site which is what I'm sure all members would want and look forward to.
:bigthumb:
It takes a minimum of two to have a disagreement! :pokeeye:
Hopefully Mike comes back. His quality of work and techniques are a huge resource here. I really find his threads interesting and helpful.
Mike (HemiCuda) is a tremendous asset to the hobby and we hope he will come back to join us after the 30 days are up. I love this build thread and hope he continues it.
Mike's vacation was not because of this thread. Mike has one of the longest leashes of any member on this site, however there are still rules that need to be followed.
I have went threw Mikes post's, Out side of ONE person that he has a history with. what did he do to get a month long ban? Would Someone ex-plane to me in a way myself and others can interpret as the offense that got him band. :sorry: I just don't see it. :notsure:
Quote from: JS29 on April 27, 2020, 11:18:27 AM
I have went threw Mikes post's, Out side of ONE person that he has a history with.
I'll try.....just so it's clear...I don't know Mike or Alan. Other than what they post on this site.
Whether Mike and Alan have a 'history', I don't know. If it is ErikR's car, then, ok, I know about that to a limited extent.
I think it comes down to this,
If I or another member posted up 'less than 100% correct' info, we would be corrected. In probably a friendly or respectable way.
If Alan posts up 'less than 100% correct info', he gets ridiculed by Mike.
Should Alan know more about 'what is correct' than me? Absolutely. But you still need to respond in a respectable courteous manner.
Just my :alan2cents:
One of the main issues is in one morning, I received 18 "report to moderator" emails just on him. I think that is a record! And when I reached out and asked him to make it stop . . It didn't go well. I don't know him, I don't know Alan and I don't know who ever Eric is . . . And I don't care. My role here is to make an enjoyable environment for all the member so they want to come here and talk ebodies! That is what I signed up for! And to get that many in one morning . . . There is an issue!
I don't want any drama here and I assume you don't either . . . End of story. :dunno:
Quote from: Spikedog08 on April 27, 2020, 03:06:40 PM
One of the main issues is in one morning, I received 18 "report to moderator" emails just on him. I think that is a record! And when I reached out and asked him to make it stop . . It didn't go well. I don't know him, I don't know Alan and I don't know who ever Eric is . . . And I don't care. My role here is to make an enjoyable environment for all the member so they want to come here and talk ebodies! That is what I signed up for! And to get that many in one morning . . . There is an issue!
I don't want any drama here and I assume you don't either . . . End of story. :dunno:
Thank you for moderating the site!
Well since the thread isn't locked, I'll post some progress pictures of the AAR per request Sorry no accompanying description...just pictures.
Quote from: Spikedog08 on April 27, 2020, 03:06:40 PM
One of the main issues is in one morning, I received 18 "report to moderator" emails just on him. I think that is a record! And when I reached out and asked him to make it stop . . It didn't go well. I don't know him, I don't know Alan and I don't know who ever Eric is . . . And I don't care. My role here is to make an enjoyable environment for all the member so they want to come here and talk ebodies! That is what I signed up for! And to get that many in one morning . . . There is an issue!
I don't want any drama here and I assume you don't either . . . End of story. :dunno:
@Spikedog08 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/4cruzin_11) and thank you for that sir.
:drooling: just gorgeous!
Great to see this thread continue! :bigthumb: Pictures speak 1000 words! Hope you post a whole bunch more! :clapping:
Quote from: Cudajason on April 28, 2020, 04:24:42 PM
Quote from: Spikedog08 on April 27, 2020, 03:06:40 PM
One of the main issues is in one morning, I received 18 "report to moderator" emails just on him. I think that is a record! And when I reached out and asked him to make it stop . . It didn't go well. I don't know him, I don't know Alan and I don't know who ever Eric is . . . And I don't care. My role here is to make an enjoyable environment for all the member so they want to come here and talk ebodies! That is what I signed up for! And to get that many in one morning . . . There is an issue!
I don't want any drama here and I assume you don't either . . . End of story. :dunno:
@Spikedog08 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/4cruzin_11) and thank you for that sir.
X3!
Ben
Thanks Spike and thanks OrangeWagon!
:clapping: That engine is artwork! :lookatthat:
sorry for the cheesy graphic, but it's all I could think of :vipermanhiding:
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 28, 2020, 08:46:10 PM
sorry for the cheesy graphic, but it's all I could think of :vipermanhiding:
Cheesy? Maybe.. Appropriate? Absolutely!!! I was wondering too... A little personalizing artwork is cool by me...
That hole car will be art work!
Thank you for posting the pics Ross.
Quote from: JS29 on May 21, 2020, 11:14:42 AM
@76orangewagon (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/76orangewagon_277) Do you have any more updates on the pink AAR? I have also noticed no more updates on your gorgeous 71. how is the car doing, are you still waiting for parts. :popcorn:
Updates...Sure, I have lots of updates but I can't post any of the pictures here per the builders request ...there out there just not here.
You probably don't see any updates of my 71 because I deleted the entire build thread...I'm surprised it took a month before any noticed or asked...but then again with the lack of return input I got..maybe I'm not surprised. I will continue to help individuals if I can and if I actually know what I'm not talking about and not just throw random comments out. I deleted my thread mainly because of the handling of Mike Ross and his comments...he asked to have his ban lifted so he could delete all the photo's but wasn't given the opportunity. I also noticed that many of the true professionals that are in the business either don't comment anymore or haven't joined because of the individuals that drive not only this site but others down and they don't get caught up in drama...Jim from JS Restorations is one that comes to mind.
So to avoid getting caught up in anymore Drama and subtle digs on the way I did things with my build, I decided to delete it.
Thanks JS29 for asking about my build and to answer your question...No, I'm not waiting on anymore parts..the car runs and drives and between the rain drops here in Ohio has seen some time in the sunshine.
Quote from: JS29 on May 22, 2020, 11:48:38 AM
@76orangewagon (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/76orangewagon_277) Thank you for the update! First congratulations on getting your car done!! :ohyeah: Secant Mike was band for a month, was my understanding. so i take it he will be deleting this thread and we won't get to see anymore of this restoration! :crying: I did tag jim-slotts to no avail, more than once. Go figure. :no:
Mike ban became indefinite when he refused to not call out specific people for giving incorrect information..lets face it Mike called a spade a spade and had no problem throwing the BS flag when people claimed to be experts and there work did not live up to the snake oil they were selling. Regardless If you Liked Mike or not ...he would help anyone that needed his help..I saw first hand while visiting the shop off and on for several months how he helped install pigtail for free for people regardless if you bought parts off him or not... ship stuff for free to overseas hobbyists just to help them out. This reminds me of business where you get rid of your top performers not for what they do but what they say and the Bosses son (who isn't as smart as he thinks he is) gets to come to work everyday and then wonder why your business is starting to fail.
Quote from: 76orangewagon on May 22, 2020, 11:19:36 AM
Quote from: JS29 on May 21, 2020, 11:14:42 AM
@76orangewagon (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/76orangewagon_277) Do you have any more updates on the pink AAR? I have also noticed no more updates on your gorgeous 71. how is the car doing, are you still waiting for parts. :popcorn:
Updates...Sure, I have lots of updates but I can't post any of the pictures here per the builders request ...there out there just not here.
You probably don't see any updates of my 71 because I deleted the entire build thread...I'm surprised it took a month before any noticed or asked...but then again with the lack of return input I got..maybe I'm not surprised. I will continue to help individuals if I can and if I actually know what I'm not talking about and not just throw random comments out. I deleted my thread mainly because of the handling of Mike Ross and his comments...he asked to have his ban lifted so he could delete all the photo's but wasn't given the opportunity. I also noticed that many of the true professionals that are in the business either don't comment anymore or haven't joined because of the individuals that drive not only this site but others down and they don't get caught up in drama...Jim from JS Restorations is one that comes to mind.
So to avoid getting caught up in anymore Drama and subtle digs on the way I did things with my build, I decided to delete it.
Thanks JS29 for asking about my build and to answer your question...No, I'm not waiting on anymore parts..the car runs and drives and between the rain drops here in Ohio has seen some time in the sunshine.
Man I am sad to see you deleted your thread and all the pictures!!! Epic thread and detail thereof. I had book marked it for my 71 resto. :(
Yeah, that really sucks the thread was erased. Also sucks that Mike is gone. Valuable asset lost. Too bad everyone can't just get over it.
All that info will be missed. Thanks for when it was available.
Glad you are enjoying your car on the asphalt. :burnout:
You did a great job!!! :ohyeah:
Maybe post up a pic of it out in the sunlight?
I sometimes think to my self that I can talk to much . BUT now I find that I am lost for words with the build of this car . What a master piece . This is why we get up out of bed every morning to admire such beauty . Thank god I found this forum :australia:
HemiCuda (Mike) contacted moderator Spikedog at his place of employment (he tracked down where SpikeDog works) and when SpikeDog wasn't available to talk, HemiCuda (Mike) got SpikeDog's cell phone number and started antagonize him through text messages. HemiCuda (Mike) crossed a line when he contacted a moderator at work. It's NEVER okay to mess with a man's income that he needs to provide for his family. HemiCuda (Mike) brought the online disagreement to SpikeDog's work. There is no way to justify those actions. I immediately adjusted the 30 day ban to indefinitely.
I notified HemiCuda (Mike) that his ban will be removed when I have his word that he will not cause any more drama. At this point the ban is only as long as he wants it to be. If he gives me his word that he will not cause any drama with any other members or moderators (that includes not contacting people at their place of employment or sending unwanted texts), then the ban can be removed right away. If I do not have his word, there's no reason to remove the ban.
As for removing photos or deleting posts, that's 100% on the members that post the photos. The true intrinsic value of our posts, info and photos is the ability to help others and increase the level of restorations and enjoyment of these cars. IMO, removing ones own posts is a needlessly self-destructive over-reaction in an effort to purse revenge that actually damages oneself more than who they might be angered at. Removing posts and photos only strengthens the person that they believe to be their competition by, removing competition. If there's no photos and posts from members who think they can do better, then new members only see what is posted.
AS usual I can see both sides of this situation -
I agree with Cody that Mike overstepped by contacting & antagonizing moderators at work or home , this is not cool or tolerated & I am sure this makes sense to members here .
On the other side Mike takes restoration to a far higher level & calls a spade a spade like it or not !
Personally I do Not want my reputation tainted by being seen as supporting or endorsing poor or dishonest work by members here either .
I am in no way comfortable supporting or being seen to support Poor workmanship or dishonesty ! I Have also considered deleting my account because of this .
For now I have chosen to stay & help the people I can help in anyway I can either adding content here , sending PMs , phoning you personally or even flying in & doing the work as I have done for many people in the past .
There are truths & misinformation on both sides of this sadly.
This whole situation makes me very sad as it has done irrepairable damage to this site we have worked so hard to build .
thanks for clearing the air. :drinkingbud:
At the end of the day it's about the love of the ebody and mopar in general. And I hope we can all learn from each other
I wish I had made a copy of Ross's build thread before he purged it. I was planning on using it as my road map for my 71 convertible.
I just printed Mike's bare metal suspension finishing thread to PDF in the event it gets purged.
I just don't understand the logic. Its like burning libraries.
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 22, 2020, 11:18:11 PM
AS usual I can see both sides of this situation -
I agree with Cody that Mike overstepped by contacting & antagonizing moderators at work or home , this is not cool or tolerated & I am sure this makes sense to members here .
On the other side Mike takes restoration to a far higher level & calls a spade a spade like it or not !
Personally I do Not want my reputation tainted by being seen as supporting or endorsing poor or dishonest work by members here either .
I am in no way comfortable supporting or being seen to support Poor workmanship or dishonesty ! I Have also considered deleting my account because of this .
For now I have chosen to stay & help the people I can help in anyway I can either adding content here , sending PMs , phoning you personally or even flying in & doing the work as I have done for many people in the past .
This whole situation makes me very sad as it has done irrepairable damage to this site we have worked so hard to build .
I agree %100. This is supposed to be about the cars. If someone puts out wrong information on these cars, it needs to be corrected. That's one of the reasons new people or those with less knowledge of these cars come on a board like this. If Mike called out a correction, I wager he was %100 correct. And as far as calling out that first incident, that was needed. I knew I guy that was contemplating that particular " expert restorer" until he saw the pictures posted of the work in question. My opinion is that if you think your always correct and perfect, and someone calls you out when you're wrong, you need to be big enough to admit your wrong. To me letting someone continue to post (with the owners consent) that " I'm the greatest" , doesn't speak well for the integrity of the forum. I find myself on this forum less and less these days. Mikes work in pictures posted will be missed. Lots of knowledge down the drain. This is not the only forum that this happens. I have a friend who has been wanting a particular car since he was a kid and rode in his uncles car. Now that he has the money to look, he's joined a forum board asking lots of questions about buying one. One of the guys on the board is giving him poor info and treats his opinions as fact. And he just happens to be a moderator and friends of the administrator. My friend has finally figured this guy is full of crap and is disappointed with the entire forum. We need to keep up the integrity of the forum boards or these will go away. I think the permant ban was not needed but I doubt he will be back.
Quote from: larry4406 on May 23, 2020, 04:30:08 AM
I just don't understand the logic. Its like burning libraries.
The logic is quite simple...if you don't want specific people (or group) benefiting from your hard work and extensive research then you take away there reference material, unfortunately for all the other people like yourself and countless others they also loose that material. I am trying to build a very authentic day one car as far as date codes and factory paint daubs/ marks that are specific only to my car,
I see builds with 4 k frames/suspensions, and they all have exactly the same paint daubs..and then they make fun of someone else's build because there incorrect....news flash Einstein..so are yours they all didn't come with the same marks in the same location. Another example is my car has silver/aluminum paint marks on the Torsion bars placed at a specific measured distance from the end and are unique to my 778/779 340 bars, I see them being copied on non 778/779 bars and in the wrong location...why ?
My issue with all of this is other people trying to look for accurate information to add marks to their car and come cross incorrect information and copy it again and the cycle continues. I realize inspection marks and correct day one builds are not for the majority of people and it may seem damaging or childish to some and to the majority of people I am sorry, you were just collaterral damage. These are just a few more reasons of why I deleted my thread...but like I said earlier I was tired of the subtle jabs and insults trying to be disguised as questions and I got tired of them, regardless of Mike being banned for what he did I had several conversation with him prior to this saying " I'm thinking about deleting my thread or I wish I hadn't got so detailed in it". so this seemed like the perfect opportunity.
Quote from: larry4406 on May 23, 2020, 04:30:08 AM
I wish I had made a copy of Ross's build thread before he purged it. I was planning on using it as my road map for my 71 convertible.
I just printed Mike's bare metal suspension finishing thread to PDF in the event it gets purged.
I just don't understand the logic. Its like burning libraries.
I am sure you can PM orangewagon & get any info you need
Quote from: Cuda Cody on May 22, 2020, 10:21:18 PM
HemiCuda (Mike) contacted moderator Spikedog at his place of employment (he tracked down where SpikeDog works) and when SpikeDog wasn't available to talk, HemiCuda (Mike) got SpikeDog's cell phone number and started antagonize him through text messages. HemiCuda (Mike) crossed a line when he contacted a moderator at work. It's NEVER okay to mess with a man's income that he needs to provide for his family. HemiCuda (Mike) brought the online disagreement to SpikeDog's work. There is no way to justify those actions. I immediately adjusted the 30 day ban to indefinitely.
I notified HemiCuda (Mike) that his ban will be removed when I have his word that he will not cause any more drama. At this point the ban is only as long as he wants it to be. If he gives me his word that he will not cause any drama with any other members or moderators (that includes not contacting people at their place of employment or sending unwanted texts), then the ban can be removed right away. If I do not have his word, there's no reason to remove the ban.
As for removing photos or deleting posts, that's 100% on the members that post the photos. The true intrinsic value of our posts, info and photos is the ability to help others and increase the level of restorations and enjoyment of these cars. IMO, removing ones own posts is a needlessly self-destructive over-reaction in an effort to purse revenge that actually damages oneself more than who they might be angered at. Removing posts and photos only strengthens the person that they believe to be their competition by, removing competition. If there's no photos and posts from members who think they can do better, then new members only see what is posted.
Well ....if you would have PM'd me the initial way your administrator contacted Mike our Converstaion would have gone totally diffrent and I would not have stayed on here at all. I would think as an administrator reaching out to resolve an issue with members you would not say thinks like " I dont give a F**K who you are, Who the F**K Eric is, This F**king S**T ...stops...ect, does not set a positive tone to have a professional discussion especially for someone in the Real estate business who deal with customers.
As far as your opinion of me being needlessly self destructive and over reactiting to seek revenge....Wrong, it was a great oportunity to carry out something that I wish I never got so detailed into. If this Democratic idealogy of play nice and don't call out the self promoting snake oil members who mislead others is the standard then this isn't the place I should have had been investing my time in posting my build. throw in the main fact that my build progress posts were met with hidden criticism disguised as helpful hints was really why I took my build down. It wasn't because of one person, it was also the band of Canadian Kool aid drinkers, you know the actual 4 or 5 that complained about Mike (Not the 18 you quoted)
Quote from: larry4406 on May 23, 2020, 04:30:08 AM
I wish I had made a copy of Ross's build thread before he purged it. I was planning on using it as my road map for my 71 convertible.
I just printed Mike's bare metal suspension finishing thread to PDF in the event it gets purged.
I just don't understand the logic. Its like burning libraries.
I would be glad to help you or anyone out, PM me if you need something.
Nothing I won't say to your face also Cody at some point.
Your play nice BS is nonsense for someone claiming to be a Mopar guy.
Not calling Alan out for ripping me off and promoting this clown on your site is pathetic. Many guys are wise to this and now you kicked out Mike for relentlessly calling BS when he reads it on your site.
Let's review:
Mike: friends with EVERYONE in the hobby and respected for his knowledge and talent by all the top shelf MOAPR restoration guys.
Alan: ENEMIES with many of the top-level Mopar restorers. Simply cannot deal with certain vendors and knowledgeable guys in this small, tight-knit Mopar hobby because they hate this guy for well-established reasons.
Cody - you are getting rightfully called out for your circle jerk BS and good guys are leaving.
I did not plan to logon ever again but it was no surprise to hear that Ross, Neil and others finally had enough also and are bailing out also, and I'm really glad other guys are letting you hear that same message loud and clear.
I have not seen Cody "promote" Alan ever. Much less Mike.
He is here to really just keep the peace. he'll always be caught in the middle of any drama on the site as he wants to nix it.
Just my observation. I've read all the posts and firmly disagree with the "promote" phrase.
I believe he promotes the enjoyment of this hobby.
This is a forum site after all. There's gonna be pricks. I've learned to just blown em off my shoulder and don't let them bother me.
Pretty much, if all yal who know the ins and outs and are not wrong on restorations just up and leave then the people who are wrong have just won. And they will teach us who are not in the know the wrong things.
I'm just into this for the joy of the ride and the hobby. I don't have money like most of yal on here. It's seems very unfortunate to see all this play out in the way it has. I just want to learn from all of you so that maybe one day I will have enough cash to throw at a car like yal I will know what is right and wrong.
This is a great site and this was an unfortunate situation that I would rather not comment on. I like Mike and love his work but he was riding the mission into the ground. Alan is a member here but I in no way ever seen the "site" promoting him so I don't know why people are tying Alan to the site.
Let's talk about E-bodies please and no one is the E-body god who is above everybody else. I have no time for Ego's and there's lots of them in any hobby.
Cody: Great site, keep it up.
To all the others: Life ain't perfect, suck it up.
It is sad this issue keeps rearing its ugly head and has caused bad feelings. But I am frustrated that we members get caught in the middle and get accused of taking sides, and crapped on if we don't join someone's "crusade".
Hey, we get it, I certainly get it. I had a bad experience with my restoration, and I've spent thousands of dollars trying to get things corrected. And more to go. On a car I've owned 40 years since I bought it at 16 so a lot of sentimental value on it, I was committed to getting it done right and got let down. So yeah, I totally get it.
But I didn't just fall off a turnip truck yesterday, so I'm not so naive to think that if I started going on sites ripping on the shop I had issues with, everyone would join me in my protest and the shop would see the light and refund me my money or give me a blank check to take it to the shop of my choice to get the car redone. I got screwed and I'm bitter but I'm not going to win any friends trying to recruit the world to join me in my bitterness. No one wants to get caught up in my problems either, I understand that and will not have a temper tantrum because of that.
I enjoy being a member here, and sorry some good people have left, and also sorry I'm not the only person ever screwed on an expensive restoration, but please just leave the rest of us alone so we can continue on and not have a great site get ruined.
I have not noticed ANY restoration shop being promoted here?
I do enjoy seeing the pictures of the work done by shops and restoration services that participate here though.
First of all I do not know Cody, Alan, Chryco, Mike, Erik or any of the other great people who both participate and contribute to making this the best E-body Mopar site on the web, IMHO. I left CC.com when Cody started this website for the exact reasons several of you are complaining about now regarding people backstabbing each other and being cliquish and supporting one side over the other. As an amateur home garage restorer in every sense of the word, I have received valuable help and information regarding the restoration of my '70 'Cuda over the past several years, which except for some minor details, is now done. This advise has come from Cody, Alan, Chryco, and numerous others, none of which with the possible exception of Cody, I would recognize if they walked right up to me in public. Everybody to a fault has been more than willing to help and has never made me feel stupid for some of the admittedly dumb ass questions I have asked and or for the dumb ass mistakes I have made. Consequently, I promote and recommend this site all the time because of the friendly, helpful atmosphere here and everybody's willingness to help and I also try to help others with questions, requests for pictures and requests for parts to the best of my limited abilities.
I have never seen Cody play favorites with members and I have also never seen him or others on this site promote Alan's restoration work/shop. I have no personal knowledge about the quality of Alan's work as I have never seen one of his restorations in person. As others on this site, I have only viewed the pictures of his work and judging strictly from the pictures it appears to me that he does good work. He also freely admits that he is not a paint and body man and sends some of his customers parts out for restoration. But just as I'm sure he has several satisfied customers, I'm also sure that he has some that are not, just as most restorations shops do, including I'm sure Mikes. That being said, during my tenure on this site since it was created, I have never seen or read anything written by Alan suggesting in any manner that he thinks that he is god's gift to restorers nor that he never makes a mistake. In fact on several occasions, I have seen him respond when asked a question that he "doesn't know" or "I learn something new all the time or every day" or words to that effect when viewing someone else's post response.
Cody, Spikedog and others do an admirable job of being moderators on this site and trying to make everybody comply with the rules and keep this a friendly, welcoming site and I respect not only that they are willing to do that but also the numerous hours I'm sure that they put in to do so. As President Lincoln stated, "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time". That's a fact of life I have learned many times over in my 72 years on this earth, especially during my 36 years as a LEO.
Personally, I have no idea what the history is between Mike and Alan and quite frankly I don't care. But as a few of you have stated, the fact that "Mike calls a spade a spade" or "calls BS" when he sees it is no excuse for being rude, condescending or argumentative with Alan or anybody else for that matter. It's also no excuse for him to call and dog and harass Spikedog at this place of business. As Cody stated that is totally uncalled for and I support Cody 100% in his decision to make Mike's ban from the site indefinite. And as I understand it, please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not the first time Mike has been warned about his antagonistic responses on the web-site. You can point out incorrect or misleading information information posted in a constructive, courteous manner as numerous others on this site have done, including Alan, without name calling, being antagonistic or exhibiting an "I'm God's Gift to Restorers" attitude such as Mike has done on numerous occasions. It's called having social skills.
76orangewagon I have really enjoyed following and admiring the restoration of your car by both Mike and yourself. But if you think for a moment that a small group of Canadians "drank the kool aid" and are the only ones who complained about Mike's pointed and mean spirited attacks on Alan, you are incorrect. I live in the lower 48 and I'm one of those 18 people who complained to the moderators after the last attack Mike directed at Alan, often putting words or opinions into Alan's mouth that he did not even state. I ignored it as long as I could, but after his last snipe at Alan, I just had to speak up and let the moderators know that I personally didn't appreciate Mike's antagonistic remarks directed at Alan and others and that I felt like a hyporate telling all the newbies to the site what a "friendly" and helpful site we had here. It's really hard to tell newbies to the site what a friendly and helpful site it is when Mike often spouts off with antagonistic and derogatory comments about other members. It would make me, if I was new to the site, not only wonder what was going on but also very hesitant to ask a question in fear that somebody would bite my head off.
As others have stated, I would hate to see either you or Mike leave the site. We are an internet family here and sometimes disagree. However, there is a right and wrong way to disagree. I have learned a lot from both you and Mike and admire both off your's restoration skills as I'm sure others also do. I would think as a friend to Mike, you might have a heart to heart talk with him about his negative and antagonistic attitude towards others when dealing with people he disagrees with and developing better social skills about how to provide constructive criticism when somebody else posts incorrect information or what Mike believes or even knows to be incorrect.
Now, can we all please all put this behind us and get back to restoring our cars and helping each other and continuing to making this the "friendliest E-Body" forum on the net? :grouphug: :ohyeah:
:clapping:
usraptor, I don't think I could have said it any better.
I also 100% agree with the sentiment of not wanting Mike to leave the site. The guy knows his $h!t.
But..if you can't play nice in the sandbox.... :dunno:
Ross, I guess I completely missread you.
Thought you posted up all those awesome pics for the benefit of everyone. But then delete them all. I dunno. Guess I'm a little confused. The best car I've ever watched being restored. I'm guessing a pretty good plug for Mike's services....but in the end , hide it from everybody.
well that sucks that mike got banned. he,s an awsome person and a great person to deal with. i like the fact that he calls it like it is. i think the original issue maybe should have been corrected. not taking sides but sometimes a person needs to correct the problem even if it costs you some time or money. yes cody this is a great site but mike shouldnt have been banned. my opinion if thats allowed
Well...
I was sucked into this again...
Firs time reading into thread and then boom the same load of crap again.
Will throw into the hat that I also was one of the complainers to the mods.
Learning and admiring is what these forums are for. Arrogance at that level is just that. Arrogance. What gets lost with that level of A... is that the remainder of us on these forums can actually think and reach a conclusion for ourselves.
I for one have. With that is also decision to move on from it.
Last point on his "greatness". I HAVE avoided his threads for this same reason. What good is the info if one is afraid to enter the door. Because of exactly this.
Cody and mods are doing a fantastic job on this site.
Neutral point is the most difficult point to maintain as there WILL be unhappy on both sides.
I for one will embrace, help and thank those who remain "neutral" on this site. Have chosen long ago to avoid persons and talent that is destructive. Constant (even subtle) digs are destructive. Ironically they do not serve their purpose anyway.
Cars are the universal language.
Time to return to that "neutral" language.
Damn I wished I didn't look into this thread...
Quote from: 76orangewagon on May 23, 2020, 05:34:32 AM
Quote from: larry4406 on May 23, 2020, 04:30:08 AM
I just don't understand the logic. Its like burning libraries.
The logic is quite simple...if you don't want specific people (or group) benefiting from your hard work and extensive research then you take away there reference material, unfortunately for all the other people like yourself and countless others they also loose that material. I am trying to build a very authentic day one car as far as date codes and factory paint daubs/ marks that are specific only to my car,
I see builds with 4 k frames/suspensions, and they all have exactly the same paint daubs..and then they make fun of someone else's build because there incorrect....news flash Einstein..so are yours they all didn't come with the same marks in the same location. Another example is my car has silver/aluminum paint marks on the Torsion bars placed at a specific measured distance from the end and are unique to my 778/779 340 bars, I see them being copied on non 778/779 bars and in the wrong location...why ?
My issue with all of this is other people trying to look for accurate information to add marks to their car and come cross incorrect information and copy it again and the cycle continues. I realize inspection marks and correct day one builds are not for the majority of people and it may seem damaging or childish to some and to the majority of people I am sorry, you were just collaterral damage. These are just a few more reasons of why I deleted my thread...but like I said earlier I was tired of the subtle jabs and insults trying to be disguised as questions and I got tired of them, regardless of Mike being banned for what he did I had several conversation with him prior to this saying " I'm thinking about deleting my thread or I wish I hadn't got so detailed in it". so this seemed like the perfect opportunity.
My 1970 AAR had Orange markings (No Silver anywhere) on the Torsion bars and also on the torsion bar crossmember, maybe he misplaced his Silver marker and used whatever he could find that day LOL, from what i remember, i had more Orange markings on the undercarriage, just can't remember where they were when I cleaned up the undercarriage 35 years or so ago, i also found some Orange markings on the Interior floor boards and a green marking on the front passenger side. Very few assembly line markings are in the EXACT same place from my experience if they are even there at all. So in my opinion ANY markings unless found on the car being restored and replicated on the restoration will EVER be 100% accurate. It's akin to believing that everything you see on the internet is true.