Questions and decoding can be discussed in other threads, lets try to keep this thread purely for the images... in JPG, PNG, PDF, or similar widely used format...
An image size proportional to 8.50 : 11.00 is recommended, with 850 pixels by 1100 pixels or 1700 pixels by 2200 pixels probably working out best.
Watermarking or over writing a notation is a good idea to prevent the images from being used in scams on eBay & other markets...
***** I will go first with my 1970 Challenger T/A *****, and I will post 2-3 photos of the car & a photo of the fender tag when possible...
This is a great idea! Plus any image uploaded on here gets a watermark automatically so that will help too.
My 1970 Challenger T/A, FE5 Rallye Red with black interior, 340 6 PAK, Automatic Transmission....
1970 Challenger 340+6 T/A FY1 Auto Trans
This will be a fun thread.
Might help Cody build the broadcast sheet decoders.
Beautiful red TA :ohyeah:
Cody - the quality of your posted sheet is a little substandard for you.. :) just saying... LOL
Wish I had one/some to post.
not great pics, but it's what I have. I let my dad hold onto this one and who knows where it is.
this is for another early LA build /6 Barracuda that came in my back seat (@ 300 higher in #s than mine). proof that LA cars DID occasionally have a build sheet included ..... :ohyeah:
for BH23C0E100677
Another T/A sheet:
1970 Hemi Challenger
From the Internet...
More great information for the gang, thanks. After looking at the posted sheets, I have a question maybe someone can answer. On line five, all the way to the right, the last three boxes have headers of 1--2--3. What are these codes for that is listed under the them. I have asked a few local guys, but it was a deer in the headlights look. :dunno: :notsure: :help:
1970
1 = master cylinder assembly - last 2-digits of a 7-digit assembly part number (has anyone seen a list of these part numbers?)
2 = broadcast sheet print hour - on a 24 hr. clock (00 = midnight, 06 = 6AM, 14 = 2PM, etc.)
3 = broadcast sheet print minute - on a 100 minute clock (10 = :06, 25 = :15, 80 = :48, etc.)
That is the way I see it Cody. Have a couple with power disc brakes and have "45" in box #1. I kinda figured that is what it was, but had no idea about the clock insertions.
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Looked at another, it is coded B11 and disc brakes, so manual disc brakes. It has 42 in Box #1. I tired to scan it, but it is such a light copy, it won't scan. Looks like it is from a Cuda, so light/faded, but not a Chally.
sorry I should've added a little more to the description - it is the master cylinder w/booster (if OPTIONED) assembly
It appears Hamtramck did not start coding this until October '69 - Box #1 is blank August & September
E-body (A,B,C body may be the same/different) no manual disc brakes on an E-body (B11 is drum brakes)
31 = manual drum brakes
42 = power drum brakes
?? = power drum brakes HEMI
45 = power disc brakes
46 = power disc brakes HEMI
the time stamp started mid-February at Hamtramck model year 1969
:worship: You are number number King!!!! :clapping:
Quote from: 6bblgt on February 22, 2017, 12:18:07 AM
sorry I should've added a little more to the description - it is the master cylinder w/booster (if OPTIONED) assembly
It appears Hamtramck did not start coding this until October '69 - Box #1 is blank August & September
E-body (A,B,C body may be the same/different) no manual disc brakes on an E-body (B11 is drum brakes)
31 = manual drum brakes
42 = power drum brakes
?? = power drum brakes HEMI
45 = power disc brakes
46 = power disc brakes HEMI
I have a lot of pics of broadcast sheets that I can post here, but I'm going to start with this one because I own it. :)
I'm going to post some paper work on two that I own. I consider both to be nice original cars when I got them. I'm the third owner of each and have info back to the original owners. Hopefully Dan will analyze and comment on his production date post.
First is an early 70 Barracuda. Original fender tag, broadcast sheet and window sticker. I have a few questions regarding the window stickers of both cars that I am posting.
What exactly does S.O. NO mean?
Why is there a BB in between the VIN?
What do the other numbers mean located by the S.O. NO?
As far as the Broadcast sheets, when exactly did Chrysler switch from a black and white sheet to a color sheet?
Thanks
Tom
Here is my second car. It's a 71 Cuda Convertible. The broadcast sheet remained under the passenger seat the whole time until I picked out what was left last month. So unfortunately it is a partial sheet.
I have a saved picture of a 71 Cuda convertible broadcast sheet with an SPD of the same date 5/20. I can email that to Dan for comparison if needed.
Tom
71 Challenger
1971 Cuda
Quote from: Finoke on February 23, 2017, 04:34:44 AM
What exactly does S.O. NO mean?
Shipping Order Number
It's the Scheduled Production Date, Assembly Plant, Car Make, & Vehicle Order Number
(Thanks to Ola & Dan for helping with that!)
Chrysler had a sheet which was used for ordering cars, each sheet was numbered with a vehicle order number.
These numbered sheets were sent to dealerships all over the country (probably in pads of 25 sheets or maybe 50 sheets) to be used as needed.
Since everyone starts with a different preprinted number, and uses them at a different speed, there's no correlation between VON and build date. With enough data though, it should be able to be used for knowing which dealership your car sold new at. Since the VON is on the fender tag, this could be very helpful for people who don't have any paperwork or history for their car, potentially leading them to documentation if the original dealership still has any.
Anyway, these vehicle orders were sent to Chrysler central and that's where VIN numbers were assigned, and all the orders that came in were arranged into groups of similar cars and assigned a Scheduled Production Date.
Cars were not built in VIN order.
Quote from: Finoke on February 23, 2017, 04:34:44 AM
As far as the Broadcast sheets, when exactly did Chrysler switch from a black and white sheet to a color sheet?
I don't know off the top of my head, but there should be a revision date printed on each sheet. That's roughly when that sheet style started being used.
Each car had a broadcast sheet printed in several different departments of the assembly line. Every car had multiple sheets, but some departments were able to leave the sheet in the car or attached to the part they built instead of walking over to the trash can and throwing it away like they were supposed to. LA had a more strict trash policy, so we see less sheets from that plant.
Each printer on the assembly line could be full of older revision sheets or newer revision sheets, so there isn't a firm date for the changeover.
Some 1969 sheets were used to build 1970 cars, but they were used in a department where the build sheet boxes lined up the same as 1970. The rest of the sheet didn't line up with the boxes, but that department didn't need to read the rest of the sheet.
Quote from: Finoke on February 23, 2017, 04:34:44 AM
What exactly does S.O. NO mean?
Why is there a BB in between the VIN?
What do the other numbers mean located by the S.O. NO?
S.O. NO. = has historically been in the factory documents as "Shipping Order Number"
BB = represents the assembly plant and model designator.
...BB = Hamtramck Barracuda
...BJ = Hamtramck Challenger
...EB = Los Angeles Barracuda
...EJ = Los Angeles Challenger
The 5 digits are the dealer code. The 2 digits are the region code.
Thanks Ola, I corrected my post. :)
Thanks Guys, great info and much appreciated! :cheers:
the "Shipping Order Number" (S.O.#) consists of:
Scheduled Production Date (SPD)
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Assembly Plant
Car Make
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Vehicle Order Number (VON)
:needphotos:
Quote from: 6bblgt on February 24, 2017, 01:18:01 AM
:needphotos:
Excellent! :)
Also did you notice my sheet says it's coded for black interior yet the word green is typed in too.
Here's mine
:iagree: That's a keeper!
Thanks guys. Yeah, I have no intentions of ever selling it. My boys can fight over it when I'm gone.
70 RT/SE JS29NOB
Sun Roof Challenger Sheet.
HOLY CRAP...I just crapped my pants there for a second. My friend/customer just bought an U code auto FJ5/black sunroof car missing the broadcast sheet....Unfortunately I don't believe that is the VIN...
it is the master cylinder w/booster (if OPTIONED) assembly
It appears Hamtramck did not start coding this until October '69 - Box #1 is blank August & September
E-body (A,B,C body may be the same/different) no manual disc brakes on an E-body (B11 is HD drum brakes 11x3.0")
31 = manual drum brakes (10x2.5" ft. drums)
31 = manual drum brakes w/B11 (11x3.0" ft. drums)
41 = power drum brakes (10x2.5" ft. drums)
42 = power drum brakes w/B11 (11x3.0" ft. drums)
4? = power drum brakes w/B11 (11x3.0" ft. drums) w/E74 HEMI
45 = power disc brakes w/B41
45 = power disc brakes w/B42 (w/A53 "TRANS AM")
46 = power disc brakes w/B41 w/E74 HEMI
so, what on the booster/master cylinder assembly is different between a 10" VS. 11" drum brake E-body?
The sheet was pulled out of some seats and was not matching the car it came out of. So maybe that sheet is for your friends car? :takealook:
Quote from: anlauto on March 05, 2017, 05:03:23 PM
HOLY CRAP...I just crapped my pants there for a second. My friend/customer just bought an U code auto FJ5/black sunroof car missing the broadcast sheet....Unfortunately I don't believe that is the VIN...
You're the best!!!! :worship:
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 05, 2017, 10:03:36 PM
sorry I should've added a little more to the description - it is the master cylinder w/booster (if OPTIONED) assembly
It appears Hamtramck did not start coding this until October '69 - Box #1 is blank August & September
E-body (A,B,C body may be the same/different) no manual disc brakes on an E-body (B11 is HD drum brakes 11x3.0")
31 = manual drum brakes (10x2.5" ft. drums)
31 = manual drum brakes w/B11 (11x3.0" ft. drums)
41 = power drum brakes (10x2.5" ft. drums)
42 = power drum brakes w/B11 (11x3.0" ft. drums)
4? = power drum brakes w/B11 (11x3.0" ft. drums) w/E74 HEMI
45 = power disc brakes w/B41
45 = power disc brakes w/B42 (w/A53 "TRANS AM")
46 = power disc brakes w/B41 w/E74 HEMI
so, what on the booster/master cylinder assembly is different between a 10" VS. 11" drum brake E-body?
still missing the elusive power drum brake B11/B51/E74 HEMI E-body
I posted on our Facebook group to see if any of the 2,000 E-Body members have a sheet for a B11 Hemi. :fingerscrossed:
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 05, 2017, 10:32:23 PM
still missing the elusive power drum brake B11/B51/E74 HEMI E-body
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 06, 2017, 08:59:40 AM
I posted on our Facebook group to see if any of the 2,000 E-Body members have a sheet for a B11 Hemi. :fingerscrossed:
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 05, 2017, 10:32:23 PM
still missing the elusive power drum brake B11/B51/E74 HEMI E-body
I found 6 sheets with B11 and E74
one sheet looks like B11/B51/E74, but hard to decipher
(https://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/12/18/65/27/bs23r011.jpg)
Ola Nilsson just confirmed that the 71 sheets (hemi w/ B11 and B51) have a 43!!!! We found it guys! :thankyou: Great team effort! :drinkingbud:
Overcoming this obstacle is a BIG win!! Keep up the great work & you'll be onto the next one soon! :clapping: :twothumbsup:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 05, 2017, 03:28:49 PM
Sun Roof Challenger Sheet.
Cody - do you know if there is a car still attached to that sheet? Thanks, Scott.
here's the opposite end of the LOADED e-body spectrum - a Barracuda coupe (A93) 198 cu.in. /6 with a 3-speed manual transmission
painted BL1 - "sandpebble beige" with a black interior - it originally had 2 OPTIONS: twin white stripe tires & an AM radio
Do you know if the car is still around?
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 17, 2017, 10:33:37 AM
here's the opposite end of the LOADED e-body spectrum - a Barracuda coupe (A93) 198 cu.in. /6 with a 3-speed manual transmission
painted BL1 - "sandpebble beige" with a black interior - it originally had 2 OPTIONS: twin white stripe tires & an AM radio
it was on eBay somewhere around Feb. 2014
Truly bare bones trimmed down. Not much else they could have left off that one.
This car belongs to a friend.
He found this sheet inside the passenger bucket seat back.
In the same car, he found this wrong sheet located in the rear seat bottom.
Here's mine. Nothing special except the color.
Oh, we agree. It's awesome!
thanks for confirming the build date.
Chris
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 17, 2017, 11:12:22 AM
it was on eBay somewhere around Feb. 2014
I remember that one. I hope they kept it original, but I'm guessing whoever bought it will turn it into another v8 clone. those 198's are pretty rare now
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 18, 2017, 11:12:16 AM
VERY EARLY in the "Panther Pink" world
It would be neat to find the first Panther Pink car. :)
Here is mine
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 19, 2017, 09:47:18 PM
All this helps @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) build the best and most accurate time frame for when these cars were really built. Every time we add a new sheet to the list....
Maybe we should include a link here, just in case the people on this thread would like to read the other thread.
https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/actual-production-date-vs-scheduled-production-date/810/new#new
I've been meaning to post more broadcast sheets here. Here we go...
1970 BH23
1970 BH23 A93 Coupe
1970 BH27
1970 BP23
1970 BS23
1970 BS23J A53 AAR
AAR 'Cuda broadcast sheet info BS23J0B297498 with the following codes: Y05-E55-D21-D57-W34-H6X9-FY1-V1X-A53-B42-B51-C55-C93-F01-F23-G36-G41-H11-J15-J31-J45-M21-M26-M83-M88-N44-N65-N94-S13-S25-S81-W21.
1970 BS27
1970 JH23
1970 JH23 A66 340 Performance Package
One More 1970 JH23 A66 340 Performance Package
1970 JH23 A93 Deputy Coupe
1970 JH23J A53 T/A
One More 1970 JH23J A53 T/A
1970 JH27
The bottom one is an A66 car. (340 Performance Package)
1970 JS23
1970 JS23 Dave Walden's highest OE Gold score ever achieved
Another 1970 JS23
One More JS23
1970 JS29
1971 BH23
1971 BH23 A93 Coupe PROMO CAR
1971 BH27
1971 BS23
1972 BH23
One More 1972 BH23
1972 BS23 Sunroof
(M51 was not coded on the fender tag)
1972 JH23
1973 BS23
1973 JH23
1974 JH23 A57 Rallye
A quick update on the Build Sheet decoder. Today we ran the very first Build Sheet through the decoder!!!!! :banana: It worked fantastic!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo: We have a few minor programming tweaks to work on and how it prints the report, but the decoder itself works wonderful. Hope to have a beta version soon and I'll be asking for everyone here to help test it before we go live to the public.
I'm so excited about this!!!! Sneak peak: :lurking:
Cool, you are a great teaser. You have done tons of work to get it to this point. :perfect10:
Not sure I'm going to get much sleep tonight. :veryexcited: I'm so excited to see this Build Sheet Decoder program up and running. After over 8 months of working on it I'm hoping to have it open to E-Bodies.org members in very near future. But let me tell you right now, it's better then I ever could have hoped for. I think anyone with a 1970 E-Body Build Sheet will enjoy this E-Bodies.org special feature.
This is my '71 RT. I'll get a pic of my '70 up soon.
This is going to be so Cool. Here's my 71 cuda 340/AT
And the '70
My 70 Cuda, FY4, 340 Auto
That's a cool car!!!! What does the Y93 stand for? Special paint? I don't think I've seen that code on a 1970 sheet before. I need to double check our decoder and see if that is in there..... stand by.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on May 26, 2017, 02:41:36 PMWhat does the Y93 stand for?
Show car finish, less gas
I thought that was a 1971 code only? We'll need to add it to the 1970 decoder! :clapping:
Here is my JS29, the picture of the VIN tag is all that is left of the original.
Here are the two from my '74 Cuda along with the sheet that was under the mat in the trunk if someone wants to reference it.
1970 Dodge Challenger Build sheet (lost in mail 2016).
Quote from: Roweld on August 14, 2017, 08:42:39 PM
1970 Dodge Challenger Build sheet (lost in mail 2016).
Thanks for posting, John!
FC7 T/A from the Colorado Mopar Show
JS27V0B100421
My 1970 AAR Broadcast Sheet.
AWESOME AAR Jim!
by my calculations - your car was "In Process/In Plant" 3/18/70 almost 2-weeks EARLY
hurry up :stayinlane: get this AAR to CANADA .....
Quote from: 6bblgt on February 08, 2018, 02:27:42 PM
AWESOME AAR Jim!
by my calculations - your car was "In Process/In Plant" 3/18/70 almost 2-weeks EARLY
hurry up :stayinlane: get this AAR to CANADA .....
Thanks Dan, appreciate the info..... :yes: :yes: :D
I scanned this build sheet.
Dan here is my info. Being a Y14 car do you have any others in my von range with dealer info.
1971 triple black Challenger
I bought the car last January after it sat since 2003. It's no longer moving with the same drive train but I'll try to put back some of the features. It had no fender tag so I was kinda sad about that. However, today I found the broadcast sheet behind the rear seat springs!!
Welcome to the site Odin
With the broadcast sheet you can get a proper fender tag remade :bigthumb:
Welcome aboard Odin! Very cool!
How about the build sheet for my old 1970 RT SE 440 car, automatic w factory air and power windows. Sold this car (one of the one's I should have kept but who knew?) Sent the original sheet to Barry to try and return to the owner in Europe.
Car was exported to Sweden in the 1980's
And who is the most liked maker of the reproduction fender tags????? :please:
http://www.datatags.com/
But you'll need to give them the codes in the correct order. This is where the power of knowledge and a group like this forum can help a lot.
Quote from: Odin on April 25, 2018, 08:48:56 AM
And who is the most liked maker of the reproduction fender tags????? :please:
Green Super Track Pack car JS23V0B440269 of mine...
My current E...
Here is my build sheet and the one from your decoder for my '70 Cuda. The original was very faded so took a few tries with the decoder to get rid of the errors.
Looks like the original didn't make the post so sending it again.
I don't know how I missed this topic. Reviewed this and didn't see where I posted mine. Here it is.
Terry
A 70 Challenger RT v code sheet
The broadcast sheet from my 1970 Barracuda Gran Coupe
Let's try this again
6bblgt, how do you know that?
Quote from: Joegrapes on January 29, 2020, 10:11:08 AM
6bblgt, how do you know that?
I can never figure out how he does this either...incredible :worship:
70 V code Challenger
Here is the one from the 71 I just purchased.. Vin JH23G1B357184 Although the car has gone though many changes over the years, this never got lost..
Adding my "new" purchase to the cause. It also has another /6 convert sheet with it that I will donate.
JH27G0B107278
Here's mine:
Panther Pink T/A
My '73 Challenger
And one more. just found it while in the disassembly stage..
Here is a partial I found in the seats I got with my '74 Cuda - its not for my car - mine was originally white inside - seats are black - if this is of interest to someone let me know. It is real hard to read - but I read the VIN as BH23G4B237455
Additional Sheet that came with my 70 convert.
JH27C0B107080
K5 Challenger Convert with a white top and k5 interior. It must have rode the line the same day as mine. Has the same build date too! Pretty neat find.
If the original owner is out there somewhere i am more than happy to provide it. Otherwise I will send it to Dave.
Cody, are all of those broadcast sheets from known cars? Or are some or all of them for cars not accounted for? My TA sheet is m.i.a. serial number is jh23job276759 fy1 build date of 03-13-70. Thanks! This site is the best!!
Recently found sheet...Kilometer speedometer!
JS23N0B105620
This is a known car and still owned by the original owner
Two "not mine" broadcast sheets in my car from passenger and rear seats, Nov 1969 build. Still hopeful mine will show up some day.
180406, is an interesting "Corp Lease (Executive)" car.
Quote from: tx9cuda on October 24, 2020, 04:56:09 AM
70 V code Challenger
My car is only three cars from yours. mine has 121057. Also a V-code. It is supposed to be one of several cars from Mr. Norms. He ordered a series of Challenger with VIN from 044 to 083. I recently got Email about this from Larry Weiner who has the Mr.Norm archive. It was really nice to see your build sheet and sticker here. Unfortunately I haven't found the build sheet for my car yet.
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