so my wife wants the attached garage back for her car so she doesn't have to scrape the frost and ice off of it in the winter and she made the suggestion of building another spot for the cuda and all my tools and equipment. I took this serious and ran with it, looked at packages from h.d, 84 lumber, stick building something from scratch, and pre fab packages. I decided on an open span steel building. sent requests to numerous manufacturers, then played the game of "heres their price and you beat it" got what I feel like is a very good deal for the size I wanted. Checked with the local planning and zoning, they are good with it which is no easy task. Signed the contract on Wednesday. they will provide me signed and stamped engineer drawings for my permits within a few weeks and once I have them I can design the foundation, and beging the permitting process. Now I'm hoping the winter is mild and I can get this in and have the building delivered by the end of February and hopefully hav it fully erected by mid march. merry Christmas to me for the rest of my life. and if anyone is considering a new garage, the price of this package, minus the slab and foundation, I cant stick build one for the cost
Good for you my friend. I live in Stevensville, MD and built a steel building years ago. The price including slab and building was way better than I thought. I run my business out of it and it is heated and air conditioned. I also have a great place to work on my car which I am restoring. Anne Arundel is a tough place with permits and zoning but once through that it should be smooth sailing for you. :banana:
You've already chosen your package so it's probably to late but one thing I found is a single slope roof rather than a double pitched roof cuts cost even further & for my application it may be the best choice.... Back of the building at 10' front of the building 16'... Building will be 30' deep..... The property I'm looking at has a semi busy road behind the shop location, my thinking/hoping is the roof should tend to deflect sound upward... I also plan to plant a double row of Sequoias between the shop & the road, give them five years & they will block some noise too....
Whatever the case Merry Christmas..... :cheers:
Nice! :banana: Post lots of pictures as you go. I'm in the planning stages of the possibility of a shop in the back yard too.
That's great! I'm happy for you. Please share some photos when you get started. Having a little extra shop space is a huge deal for a car guy. :popcorn:
Awesome , Always great to have a dedicated place for the toys !
I'm envious! Good for you.
Awesome! Congrats! I can't wait to build a shop for all of my crap :rofl:
Going with a 3/12 pitch roof and the eave height is 12' and that's high enough for a lift
Ill be looking at those soon. 2 post or 4 Thinking maybe a 4 that is able to move around for when I'm doing wood working but I don't know
Once I get the anchor bolt plans from the manufacturer I can start designing the foundation. Early thoughts on that is continuous footer with stem wall haunched slab with hairpins on each bolt location. Building only weighs 5300 lbs so there's a concern of uplift from sudden wind gusts. Anyone here a structural engineer? Could use a little guidance on the design
I shopped this thing out. Got bids from 8 different manufacturers then played the game of sending low bids to high bids back and forth numerous times until I got the price I was looking for
Brad, what size do you think you want? You can get a 24x24x12 for around 10k U S D 20x24 for 8600 they even offered me a 20x40 for 11200 which would have been great except local zoning wouldn't allow it. They'll give me a $500 referral fee for a sale.
That is a no brainer 20x40 for only $1200 extra !!
Your garage/shop plans sound great.
I am in a similar situation; two car attached garage with the Challenger vert apart in one of the garages
Have a 1/2 acre property in a suburban area with tight zoning laws.
Wife would love to have a garage for her car (other garage filled with house storage, shop tools and Challenger parts.
Sounds like the metal garage could be the most economical answer.
Good luck with your shop build, I am envious!
:drooling:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on November 25, 2017, 05:55:41 AM
That is a no brainer 20x40 for only $1200 extra !!
Yes, go as big as you can afford & then add a few more feet!! If you don't you will be kicking yourself down the road. Besides there is NO such thing as "too big" of a building. You can always but more toys to fill it!
Good Luck & God Bless
Bill
Are you getting doors & windows as part of your package? Some deals include them & some have you source them locally... I'm guessing you need to source them locally since apparently you didn't even get the foundation plans which are typically included.... All the companies I've spoken with include engineered structure and foundation drawings by a certified engineer. (stamped for permit)
Concrete slab minimum thickness for a lift anchor bolts is 5" , 6" would even be better.
Your frost line up north could be deep , have done 42" in NJ , NY , Mass areas when working up there.
Hairpins at the bolts is standard detail.
We recently completed an 18,000 sf metal building and I can share some details that may help.
Your frost line for depth of footer will vary from ours here in Houston Texas .
Quote from: dougdel on November 25, 2017, 05:00:04 AM
Brad, what size do you think you want? You can get a 24x24x12 for around 10k U S D 20x24 for 8600 they even offered me a 20x40 for 11200 which would have been great except local zoning wouldn't allow it. They'll give me a $500 referral fee for a sale.
I'm thinking 25x 40 or 45 not sure yet...... I want to go as big as possible. ( septic and lot lines are my restraints... oh and money too!lol). I know I want 12" ceilings also as I want a hoist at some point. I'm in Canada so I doubt a referral would do any good?
Sure wish I could have a storage building . . Congrats on the barn! :clapping:
I have a required depth of 30" here for footers, soil is brown/ red clay to about 8'.
As for doors, this includes the walk door, I'm sourcing my own over head, their mark up is ridiculous, and I have someone for the engineering stamps for the foundation. that's $$ saved over the manufacturers prices.
I elected no windows for security reasons and nosey people looking in them.
now to start taking out 2 trees and cutting the rough grade
Always build it as big as you possibly can afford I can tell from years of experience that they are never big enough.
I feel for you guys with zoning and permit crap. Out here where I live in the sticks you just go out and build whatever, whenever. No permission needed. Getting ready to add on to my shop. I need a area for dirty Body and paint work here at the house. Maybe a 30x30 room.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on November 24, 2017, 03:27:13 PM
Having a little extra shop space is a huge deal for a car guy. :popcorn:
Like the "little" extra space you built? lol :bigthumb:
Quote from: Shane Kelley on November 26, 2017, 07:24:08 AM
Always build it as big as you possibly can afford I can tell from years of experience that they are never big enough.
I feel for you guys with zoning and permit crap. Out here where I live in the sticks you just go out and build whatever, whenever. No permission needed. Getting ready to add on to my shop. I need a area for dirty Body and paint work here at the house. Maybe a 30x30 room.
Agree on both points, no zoning crap out here either & the shop is NEVER big enough! Mine was 40x88 with a 24x40 upstairs for storage & I am just finishing up a 16x88 addition across the back! The addiction is bad! :yes: LOL
Bill
Quote from: dougdel on November 26, 2017, 07:07:24 AM
I elected no windows for security reasons and nosey people looking in them.
I would/will do a few light panels in the upper wall areas, the norm is to put them on the roof but then they are exposed to direct sun & they tend to break down... As they break down they start trapping dirt & the light gets cut dramatically... By mounting them high on the walls they get less direct sun and they are easy to hose off, they are still very effective in giving you free light & they are no more security risk than the regular metal panels cause face it a crook with a battery powered tool can peel back a metal panel in about 30 seconds...
I agree: The high windows are a nice addition, even better if you have a parts mezzanine up there.
Quote from: Shane Kelley on November 26, 2017, 07:24:08 AM
Always build it as big as you possibly can afford I can tell from years of experience that they are never big enough.
I feel for you guys with zoning and permit crap. Out here where I live in the sticks you just go out and build whatever, whenever. No permission needed. Getting ready to add on to my shop. I need a area for dirty Body and paint work here at the house. Maybe a 30x30 room.
your lucky not having to deal with zoning issues. This is one of the toughest localities in the state to do anything . Zoning, permitting, environmental crap and each stage of the way, pay a fee. mostly its all about the :bigmoney: but, guess that's the cost of living in an area like this.
After many delays and other things that took me away from here I finally have progress on my little shop. Broke ground last summer, then it rained seemingly everyday, finally got the foundation and slab before winter, and finally this past weekend we started putting this big erector set together. It's as big as local zoning permits so, I'll have to make as much use of the space as I can and I can give my wife beck the attached garage on the house.
At the end of the day it was deep fried turkey for everyone
Building this thing by myself so progress has been a little slow but I'm finally ready for the overhead door
every car guy needs a bigger place to play !!
Looks great!
Interesting that they require your ufer to be a full ground wire tied into your foundation around what looks like the entire foundation. Very different than here.
So in the end was it really cheaper (including your labor) to build a metal building instead of a stick built building?
User ground is 20' plus a 5/8 x8' rod and to be bonded to the nearest column. Oh well that's what they wanted so there's no arguing about it.
As far as cost, right now I have about 15k in it including equipment rentals and I did pay my concrete guy even though he didn't want it other than the cost of the concrete. Guessing to finish the electric will be around another 1k and whatever the overhead door costs
But it will have cable and internet I ran the pipe for that too, thinking I won't be able to pick up a good wireless signal from the house because of the metal walls and reflective insulation, it will be like a big sciff so I'll pull cat 6 in and set up a switch and wireless router. I also acquired a ductless heat/a/c unit from a demo job I did. The unit was only a year old and I couldn't see tossing it in the dumpster.
46" flat screen, and a stainless fridge are also waiting to be installed