This is from Tavis King on our E-Bodies.org Facebook group.
Here's some of the info from my Challenger Shaker Hood notes...
The Shaker Hood did not come standard on any Challengers. It was optional from the beginning of Challenger production until 10-11-69 on 440 Six Pak & 426 Hemi only.
There was a problem with the stamping dies for the Challenger shaker hood bracing, and more hoods could not be made. By the time these stamping dies had been retooled, crumple zones had been introduced in hoods due to safety concerns. This second version of the shaker hood became available on 4-10-70 until the end of 1971 production on 340+4 barrel, 383+4 barrel, 440+4 barrel, 440 Six Pak, & 426 Hemi.
(Although shaker hoods seem to have been available on base model JH 340+4 barrel & base model JH 383+4 barrel from 4-10-70 through 7-31-70, None are known to exist and it is quite possible that none were ordered/built. As a clarification, there were no RT model JS 340+4 barrel 1970 cars built, and some RT model JS 383+4 barrel 1970 cars DID receive shaker hoods.)
A third version of the shaker hood became available at the end of 1971 production as an over the counter crash replacement part. There are a few VERY late build date examples of 1971 cars with this third version of the shaker hood that look convincingly factory original.
It was not available with H51 air conditioning or V21 Hood Performance Treatment. If the car was ordered with J55 Undercoat/Hood Pad, the hood pad would be deleted.
J25 variable speed wipers with electric washers are required with this hood.
Along with the hood, you also got the trim ring with gasket, shaker bubble, shaker doors with short operating cable, engine callouts on the side of the bubble, dash mounted carb air cable, baseplate to hood seal, and appropriate air cleaner with baseplate to go with your engine/hood combo.
First Version had No crumple zones and a raised spot for the fratzog hood emblem. It did Not have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It also did Not have the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 5/16ths hood bolts.
Second Version had crumple zones and a raised spot for the fratzog hood emblem. It did have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It did Not have the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 3/8ths hood bolts.
Third Version had crumple zones and No raised spot for the fratzog emblem. Also did Not use the "DODGE" letters. It did have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It also had the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 3/8ths hood bolts.
More from Tavis King:
The car dealerships were notified when shaker hoods became unavailable, so that they would know not to submit orders for shaker hood Challengers.
If the order form came through with a note that the purchaser would only accept a car with a shaker hood, then the Scheduled Production Date was set to April 10th when the hoods were expected to be available.
I've talked with some people who feel that these cars were actually built on the April 12th.
There was an announcement that shaker hoods & T/A hoods would both be available starting on April 13th.
More of Tavis King's notes:
A little more info about how the hoods are made.
Like most things, the hoods are assembled from pieces.
There's the hood shell (the underside) with 3 versions as described above in the shaker section. (no crumple zones, with crumple zones, with nose reinforcement and crumple zones)
There's the hood skin (the topside) with 3 versions (raised sport hood, flat with fratzog hood emblem, flat without fratzog hood emblem)
There's the shaker bracing (which gets fastened to the shell of a flat hood, and then the skin is cut out of the shaker opening)
The reason for saying this is to point out that throughout the shaker shortage, the same shell and skin used to make the shaker hoods was readily available and being used on other hoods. It's the shaker bracing that caused the problem.
Challenger shaker hood bracing is different from 'Cuda shaker hood bracing.
Great info....We need this guy to join our forum :toast:
Great info, thank you for including it from the facebook site.
A quick note on the 3rd hood version. Even though it did not come with the DODGE letters on the front, the under bracing had the oval openings for each letter. I found it kinda odd, but apparently that's just how the bracing was made. SO, you could add the letters if you wanted. :cooldance:
Tom
Great info!! should this be under reference material though?
Sounds good. I'll move it to the reference area.
Is there a way to identify which hood a guy has? I know I've seen numbers on mine. :notsure:
Awesome info. :rebelflag"
Are you asking if there is a way to tell if is a repop or ? There are "lot" stampings on all hoods, but they are not part numbers and have not been figured out. Someone please crack the code!!!! :please:
Quote from: BIGSHCLUNK on January 11, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
Is there a way to identify which hood a guy has? I know I've seen numbers on mine. :notsure:
Quote from: anlauto on January 11, 2017, 04:59:32 AM
Great info....We need this guy to join our forum :toast:
Here I am. Thanks Alan.
Tav
Some information on the colour-change from argent to black, that I stumbled accross on youtube...don't know how reliable that info is, but as there is a specific date named and some background explenation given, it seems quite legit to me.
Maybe someone with a youtube account might want to contact the guy named "Metal-Cross" and asked from what he has that knowledge:
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 21, 2017, 09:56:11 AM
the red 'cuda SHAKER bubbles are a RARITY no-where near the "NORM" - I would guess very early & in conjunction w/front and rear rubber bumpers & "PILOT" or "PROMO" cars ONLY
30 years ago a red hemi'cuda wasn't that rare of a sight - one with a red bubble was
the "LOOK" was cool but I've heard it was too time consuming to get a quality gloss paint finish on the bubble & the idea/concept was cut from production
:alan2cents: IMO some are trying to rewrite history to make a car "MORE SPECIAL"
there are early SHAKER coded Challengers that were delivered w/o a SHAKER hood - who would admit that today :thinking: it's all about the :bigmoney:
My FE5 A06 (Oct 6th) hemi cuda rubber bumper had the bubble taken off at 9 miles and was red.
Not to hijack the post, but wasn't the standard power bulge hood to have a ram air style air intake similar to the 8&9 road runners? But the engineers found thru the wind tunnel there wasn't enough pressure at the scoops to work. The hood was already made, hence the big open bulge area above the engine?
Not sure. I've never heard that... but there's a lot of things I don't know. So I'm sure it's possible.
I've never heard that story either :dunno: :idea:
I all was though the bulge was there for hood clearance, so they could put A taller intake manifold on the car. :alan2cents:
Any pics on where original stamping numbers were?
Hey Cody, Black Shaker Paint question. I had a 71 challenger shaker car back in the day and I remember the black shaker to be smooth, much like the new late model shakers on challengers. However, some seem convinced that the black was textured much like the argent. Do you know about this? Thanks, any info appreciated.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on January 11, 2017, 12:16:08 AM
This is from Tavis King on our E-Bodies.org Facebook group.
First Version had No crumple zones and a raised spot for the fratzog hood emblem. It did Not have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It also did Not have the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 5/16ths hood bolts.
Second Version had crumple zones and a raised spot for the fratzog hood emblem. It did have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It did Not have the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 3/8ths hood bolts.
Third Version had crumple zones and No raised spot for the fratzog emblem. Also did Not use the "DODGE" letters. It did have a raised spot with reinforcement rib for the 71-74 hood latch pull rod on the underside. It also had the larger hood nose reinforcement. It used 3/8ths hood bolts.
Good stuff. Wish we had some pictures or illustrations to point these different features out :rubeyes:
Thanks Cody! Great Site! I wonder if the new black shakers (2016 Scat Pack) would be considered organisol?
New to the forum, I keep track of 70-71 dodge challenger shaker cars, here is a link to my registry.
http://340shakerrt.wixsite.com/dcshakers
Definitely organosol. SEM trim black or hotrod black is much easier to spray and keep clean and looks awesome.....
When time allows I will post a bunch of photos of the shaker hardware, bubbles, grills, cables, hoods etc..... I, by no means am an expert. I have gathered most of my information off the internet and talking with guys at cars shows. Hope to be a help here :twothumbsup:
looks like SHAKER hood Challengers are bringing in the new-bees
WELCOME GUYS!! :welcome:
Seems like a good place for this.... I only have the tag photo, don't know the owner... Saw it at a Goodguys event, supposedly hadn't been on the road in years....
WOW!! just a few assigned VINs before this one :ohyeah:
Unfortunately no... There were allot of people around the car & I couldn't get a good shot, I was at the event with a group no one else got how cool this car was.... Unrestored, kinda scruffy... Really cool...
reading comprehension fail! :-[ I edited my post - did it have blue stripes "V6B"? or no stripes "V68"? argent bubble?
Unfortunately V68... V6B would have been a great choice but unfortunately not the case....
Quote from: ratroaster on September 20, 2017, 04:40:38 PM
Definitely organosol.
:iagree: I have an original black bubble and, as stated earlier, it's not smooth. Definitely not as textured as the the argent silver ones either. :alan2cents:
Quote from: RzeroB on September 20, 2017, 05:00:11 PM
Found this thread that Tav participated in over on Moparts. It has a lot of pictures illustrating the differences between the hoods ...
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/327628/all/challenger-hoods.html (http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/327628/all/challenger-hoods.html)
That's back when I first started organizing all the little bits of info I had gathered from all over, into this more comprehensive description, and many people helped iron out the details and edit the text.
It would have been great if we'd continued to do a thorough description like this for every E body option, like Ken and I suggested.
Maybe we can do it here in this forum.
Imagine if you could have all the details for any option at your fingertips. It would help a lot of people, restorers and people adding factory options to their car.
This also reminds me that when I look up a question on the internet, it's not unusual to find myself from the past providing the answer on a forum somewhere. :)
Quote from: RzeroB on September 20, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
Good stuff. Wish we had some pictures or illustrations to point these different features out :rubeyes:
That's an excellent suggestion. Here you go.
(Yes, I realize that 1st Version hood pic on top isn't a Shaker Hood. It just needs to show what a Challenger hood without Crumple Zones looks like, and that was the most suitable pic I had at the time.)
Here's a few more pics that might help someone out.
Last year, I took a picture of my shaker grille for someone and you can see the texture of the paint. I'm sure it's worn by the years but my shaker parts have never been repainted. In 2015, for the first time ever since I bought the car in 1972, I took the shaker apart to clean it. Here's a couple of pics.
Terry
Quote from: 71vert340 on September 24, 2017, 06:40:45 AM
Last year, I took a picture of my shaker grille for someone and you can see the texture of the paint. I'm sure it's worn by the years but my shaker parts have never been repainted. In 2015, for the first time ever since I bought the car in 1972, I took the shaker apart to clean it. Here's a couple of pics.
Terry
That's cool!! :yes:
WOW guys!!! This is a GREAT thread. :yes:
I am looking for more info on all the different parts, brackets, etc... that make up the Shaker assembly. I am trying to piece together a setup for my Challenger.
I have found this partial page on Steve Magnante's website, anybody have a better copy? Or another diagram?
Thanks in advance,
Ben
Update:
I stumbled across a Challenger flat hood which used version 2 skin (topside) and version 3 shell (underbracing).
I'm thinking this would be from late 71 production, but I don't have change over dates for each hood feature.
I don't know how many flat hoods were made like this, but it's theoretically possible that a shaker hood could have been built during the same time frame with version 2 skin and version 3 shell.
Just wanted to make a note here, in case anyone happens to find an odd hood like that.
Thanks for the input, I am curious if there are more encounters with "mixed" hoods to be shared here.
I have seen two original Challenger shaker hoods with the type 3 top (no stamping for Fratzog). One was NOS and on display in Ron Adair's (Great Lakes NOS) tent at Carlisle many, many years ago.
The other was also NOS and purchased from Chrysler Canada for about $400 in the late 1980s. It found its way onto a black '70 in Southwestern Ontario, though I haven't seen that car in decades.
To the best of my knowledge that style never made it onto a production vehicle
Sorry Ben, somehow your request slipped by without a response...Better late than never...
With all those parts and pieces it's still hard for me to believe that it was only an extra $97.30 to get the Shaker option. :looney:
That would equate to about $600 according to the inflation calculator.
Pretty cheap if you tell me.
Does anyone have a copy of the memo, or TSB, that talks about the T/A hood being avaliable with the 383 engine ?
Quote from: varunner on January 02, 2019, 06:36:59 PM
Does anyone have a copy of the memo, or TSB, that talks about the T/A hood being avaliable with the 383 engine ?
You want to talk with Dan
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)
$97.30 was a deal alright. What a mistake it would have been to tell them to build Your Hemi Challenger without the shaker you ordered when the dealer would have called you to tell you your car would be delayed.
When Dean B. (the original owner) ordered my car, he got an even better deal on the shaker hood - $94.00 even. When I checked out ordering a shaker hood in 1977 from Dodge for the 70 R/T convertible I had, there were 6 left in the system at about $600 each. I should have bought some then but I was making $5.25/hr as an apprentice and could not afford it as I had just bought my 3 bedroom house at $22,500. If I only had known.
Terry
Thanks, I will.
Is N94 the sales code for a shaker or a T/A hood on a non-T/A car ?
Quote from: varunner on January 03, 2019, 03:28:23 AM
Thanks, I will.
Is N94 the sales code for a shaker or a T/A hood on a non-T/A car ?
N94 is T/A Hood
Thanks. I have a sales brochure that mentions the T/A hood will be available on non-T/A cars. I'd like to gather whatever OEM documentation there is that supports that. I am getting ready to run a challenger in nhra stock with that hood and it would be nice to have some good paperwork in my back pocket if I need it.
yes I did. It went from a $2500 rust bucket to a nhra stocker. did everything myself but final paint and engine machine work. loads of fun
Quote from: varunner on January 03, 2019, 06:36:08 AM
Thanks. I have a sales brochure that mentions the T/A hood will be available on non-T/A cars. I'd like to gather whatever OEM documentation there is that supports that. I am getting ready to run a challenger in nhra stock with that hood and it would be nice to have some good paperwork in my back pocket if I need it.
The info on the N94 T/A Hoods can be found in the N94 T/A Hood thread. Here's a link.
https://forum.e-bodies.org/reference-material/18/n94-ta-hood/415/
Having purchased my first Challenger in 1978 I learned early on how special shaker cars were. There were a few in CT back in the day. This one is the one I lusted over most. It was a 1971 JH27N1B sold new out of Cavallaro Dodge in Ansonia. It was FC7 Plum crazy, white interior, 4 speed pistol grip, and N96 shaker. Was traded back at the dealer around late 76 and they could not resell it. Ended up having to repaint it brown in order to move it. It was always in nice shape. when it would come up for sale it was always more then I could afford. Local DJ owned it for a while. I heard the hood was pulled from it around 85-86 and the car went one way and the hood another. Never heard about it again. More shaker stories to come....
Rear shot
Quote from: jeff968 on April 29, 2020, 11:20:21 AM
Having purchased my first Challenger in 1978 I learned early on how special shaker cars were. There were a few in CT back in the day. This one is the one I lusted over most. It was a 1971 JH27N1B sold new out of Cavallaro Dodge in Ansonia. It was FC7 Plum crazy, white interior, 4 speed pistol grip, and N96 shaker. Was traded back at the dealer around late 76 and they could not resell it. Ended up having to repaint it brown in order to move it. It was always in nice shape. when it would come up for sale it was always more then I could afford. Local DJ owned it for a while. I heard the hood was pulled from it around 85-86 and the car went one way and the hood another. Never heard about it again. More shaker stories to come....
See Reply #26 in this thread.
In the 1971 shaker registry, there's two convertible FC7 (plum crazy), H6XW (white interior) with V3W (white top)
#1 is JH27N1B298... Date 216
#2 is JH27N1B159... Date 926
Terry
Quote from: 71vert340 on April 29, 2020, 12:36:46 PM
Quote from: jeff968 on April 29, 2020, 11:20:21 AM
Having purchased my first Challenger in 1978 I learned early on how special shaker cars were. There were a few in CT back in the day. This one is the one I lusted over most. It was a 1971 JH27N1B sold new out of Cavallaro Dodge in Ansonia. It was FC7 Plum crazy, white interior, 4 speed pistol grip, and N96 shaker. Was traded back at the dealer around late 76 and they could not resell it. Ended up having to repaint it brown in order to move it. It was always in nice shape. when it would come up for sale it was always more then I could afford. Local DJ owned it for a while. I heard the hood was pulled from it around 85-86 and the car went one way and the hood another. Never heard about it again. More shaker stories to come....
See Reply #26 in this thread.
In the 1971 shaker registry, there's two convertible FC7 (plum crazy), H6XW (white interior) with V3W (white top)
#1 is JH27N1B298... Date 216
#2 is JH27N1B159... Date 926
Terry
The 71 I restored years ago was also purple/white/white but it was a 340 4spd car, not 383 :dunno:
Quote from: anlauto on April 29, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
The 71 I restored years ago was also purple/white/white but it was a 340 4spd car, not 383 :dunno:
and it was NOT a factory SHAKER car!
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 29, 2020, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 29, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
The 71 I restored years ago was also purple/white/white but it was a 340 4spd car, not 383 :dunno:
and it was NOT a factory SHAKER car!
Yea there was always debate over that...I can't make the claim either way...The broadcast sheet is missing that area (N96)...The guy that had me restore it was under the impression it was an N96 car when he bought it from an up-standing member here on this site. :dunno: I believe the car recently sold at Mecum for $300K or something crazy like that ???
Quote from: 71vert340 on April 29, 2020, 12:36:46 PM
See Reply #26 in this thread.
In the 1971 shaker registry, there's two convertible FC7 (plum crazy), H6XW (white interior) with V3W (white top)
#1 is JH27N1B298... Date 216
#2 is JH27N1B159... Date 926
Terry
Terry,
I wonder if any of the owners know if their cars spent any time in CT?
Good question. You can contact speeddemon who runs the Shaker Registry and it could be he has contact information on the owners. He could then ask the two owners via email about their car's history. You can contact him through here. Again see his reply
Terry
Quote from: anlauto on April 30, 2020, 05:52:30 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 29, 2020, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 29, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
The 71 I restored years ago was also purple/white/white but it was a 340 4spd car, not 383 :dunno:
and it was NOT a factory SHAKER car!
Yea there was always debate over that...I can't make the claim either way...The broadcast sheet is missing that area (N96)...The guy that had me restore it was under the impression it was an N96 car when he bought it from an up-standing member here on this site. :dunno: I believe the car recently sold at Mecum for $300K or something crazy like that ???
we discussed this: the "J" section of the sheet is readable & has NO "J25" -
NO J25 = NO N96, pretty simple :thinking:
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 30, 2020, 09:38:33 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 30, 2020, 05:52:30 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 29, 2020, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 29, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
The 71 I restored years ago was also purple/white/white but it was a 340 4spd car, not 383 :dunno:
and it was NOT a factory SHAKER car!
Yea there was always debate over that...I can't make the claim either way...The broadcast sheet is missing that area (N96)...The guy that had me restore it was under the impression it was an N96 car when he bought it from an up-standing member here on this site. :dunno: I believe the car recently sold at Mecum for $300K or something crazy like that ???
we discussed this: the "J" section of the sheet is readable & has NO "J25" - NO J25 = NO N96, pretty simple :thinking:
Yea at the time I think that was brought up by Galen Govier as well, he had also mentioned the upper rad hose code was not correct or something......I know at that time, Galen had supplied the fender tag...which is on the car now with N96....I have no idea if the BCS is still with the car or not...
I can't really remember the details, that was a life time ago it seems....heck it was five years ago that you and I last talked.. :drinkingbud:
Thanks for that information Dan. I was not aware of the J25/N96 relationship on the build sheet. That is very good to know. I looked at my sheet and sure enough, it has the J25.
Terry
Dan is the MAN :worship: :twothumbsup:
Quote from: jeff968 on April 30, 2020, 06:25:03 AM
Quote from: 71vert340 on April 29, 2020, 12:36:46 PM
See Reply #26 in this thread.
In the 1971 shaker registry, there's two convertible FC7 (plum crazy), H6XW (white interior) with V3W (white top)
#1 is JH27N1B298... Date 216
#2 is JH27N1B159... Date 926
Terry
Terry,
I wonder if any of the owners know if their cars spent any time in CT?
I believe these are both automatics
@speeddemon (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/speeddemon_954) ??
Quote from: 6bblgt on April 30, 2020, 11:02:21 AM
Quote from: jeff968 on April 30, 2020, 06:25:03 AM
Quote from: 71vert340 on April 29, 2020, 12:36:46 PM
See Reply #26 in this thread.
In the 1971 shaker registry, there's two convertible FC7 (plum crazy), H6XW (white interior) with V3W (white top)
#1 is JH27N1B298... Date 216
#2 is JH27N1B159... Date 926
Terry
Terry,
I wonder if any of the owners know if their cars spent any time in CT?
I believe these are both automatics @speeddemon (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/speeddemon_954) ??
Those are both automatics
Quote from: anlauto on April 30, 2020, 09:43:27 AM......I know at that time, Galen had supplied the fender tag...which is on the car now with N96....I have no idea if the BCS is still with the car or not...
I can't really remember the details, that was a life time ago it seems....heck it was five years ago that you and I last talked.. :drinkingbud:
In looking at the Mecum listing it appears that a few more items found their way onto that tag as well....
Options aside, it is 100% an FC7/white/white, numbers-matching 340-4-speed ragtop
There were some other interesting factory errors including on the car including one set of inner fenders having been torched out at the plant, and the replacements laid overtop. Then covered with factory FC7 and undercoat.