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Title: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Robseg on August 22, 2018, 07:56:25 PM
Thinking of selling my dads Challenger R/T. Its a 440 6-pack with a shaker, manual trans. It had a vinyl top that failed and rusted out the roof. When I found out I covered it and keep it covered. The rest of the car is solid and has around 70K miles. It hasn't been on the road since the early 80's so i think the miles are that low. The car was in a fender bender when my dad was getting the carbs rebuilt. So the right front fender has been replaced. The grill is missing.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger TA 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Robseg on August 22, 2018, 08:00:08 PM
Sorry i dont have a lot of good  pictures.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger TA 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on August 22, 2018, 08:03:24 PM
Interesting car, just so you know it's not a T/A... It's an R/T.. It's a 440-6 4 speed,Shaker in EF8 Green exterior, black bucket seat interior.... Lots of photo's please... Is the engine & trans original?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger TA 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Robseg on August 22, 2018, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on August 22, 2018, 08:03:24 PM
Interesting car, just so you know it's not a T/A... It's an R/T.. It's a 440-6 4 speed,Shaker in EF8 Green exterior, black bucket seat interior.... Lots of photo's please... Is the engine & trans original?
My dad ordered the car, yes it was green and has black interior with bucket seats. The engine, trans and rear end are all original. I'll try and get more pictures but the damn car was locked and I can't find the keys. 😂
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger TA 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Cudakiller70 on August 22, 2018, 09:17:35 PM
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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: ToxicWolf on August 22, 2018, 09:41:44 PM
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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Cuda Cody on August 22, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Really neat project.  Looks like a bit of rust, but a cool car that should be saved!   :banana:  Will be a sweet looking car when it's all done.  Do you mind me asking why you want to sell it?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: nsmall on August 22, 2018, 10:33:44 PM
Should it look something like this?  I know this one is a hemi without a vinyl top.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Dodge-Challenger-T-A-/132753133221?oid=222810888150

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: RzeroB on August 22, 2018, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on August 22, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Really neat project.  Looks like a bit of rust, but a cool car that should be saved!   :banana:  Will be a sweet looking car when it's all done.  Do you mind me asking why you want to sell it?

Cody is probably already southbound on I-5 headed for the Bay Area ...  :Stirring:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 22, 2018, 11:51:22 PM
@Robseg (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/robseg_2468) - I'm looking for exactly this kind of car and have all the parts to save it right.  Please get a hold of me and I can come look at it and see if we can work something out. 

Thanks
Chris
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: kathyscuda on August 23, 2018, 04:09:58 AM
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Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: fc7cuda on August 23, 2018, 05:24:58 AM
EF8 is one of my favorite colors, your Dad did great when ordering it.  Good luck on whichever direction you go.   :bigthumb:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: blown motor on August 23, 2018, 05:59:46 AM
Quote from: RzeroB on August 22, 2018, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on August 22, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Really neat project.  Looks like a bit of rust, but a cool car that should be saved!   :banana:  Will be a sweet looking car when it's all done.  Do you mind me asking why you want to sell it?

Cody is probably already southbound on I-5 headed for the Bay Area ...  :Stirring:

That's what I was thinking!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: RUNCHARGER on August 23, 2018, 07:19:25 AM
It's a really neat car. It will really have to be looked over to truly determine a value. Hopefully the hood can be saved for instance.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Robseg on August 23, 2018, 07:24:36 AM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on August 22, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Really neat project.  Looks like a bit of rust, but a cool car that should be saved!   :banana:  Will be a sweet looking car when it's all done.  Do you mind me asking why you want to sell it?
Because I'm not a body guy and need to be realistic to myself. Will i have the money to fix the car? I dont want to be that guy that say "I plan to restore it someday" mean while it rots in to the ground. As far as i can tell the floors and 1/4's are solid. It wasn't driven that much, it has only 70K original but i cant prove that.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: RUNCHARGER on August 23, 2018, 07:30:14 AM
Hopefully it ends up in the hands of someone who will do it justice.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Finoke on August 23, 2018, 09:49:41 AM
Awesome car. Original paperwork also helps with the value. Being it was your Dads car, do you have any original paperwork. Window sticker, order sheet or sales contract? Definitely a savable car unless the frame and floors look like the roof. As long as its not totally rotted, it can come back to life!  :banana:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: TobiasM on August 23, 2018, 02:45:57 PM
Hello @Robseg (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/robseg_2468) and  :welcome: aboard from the old world.

Great car you have and a Dad with a good taste.

I am lucky enough to own a very similar car...so no wonder I like yours, too  :banana:

Your easiest way to find out what it's worth is to put it on ebay.

Value depends on how rusty the other spots of the car are, on the condition of the interiour and on the condition of the technical stuff: numbers-matching? Engine running or seized?

The rust-damage your car suffered at the roof alone is a major surgery...unfortunately.

Would you be so kind to supply some shots of your hoods underside? Would be very helpfull for this boards thread about Shaker-Challengers.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 23, 2018, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on August 23, 2018, 07:30:14 AM
Hopefully it ends up in the hands of someone who will do it justice.

THAT WOULD BE ME!   :veryexcited:

I live within 150 miles.

I have a tremendous amount of Challenger experience and all the ORIGINAL parts to do this car properly. 

I have the resources, means and desire.

I am trying to contact the OP so that I look at the car.

It also fits nicely into my Challenger collection. 

I don't sell cars so no worry about dealing with a flipper

Please contact me
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: fc7cuda on August 23, 2018, 06:30:19 PM
Chris, are you interested in the car? I can't tell.  :waving:

Best of luck.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 23, 2018, 06:35:40 PM
Quote from: fc7cuda on August 23, 2018, 06:30:19 PM
Chris, are you interested in the car? I can't tell.  :waving:

Best of luck.

Yes, very much and I think I am the sellers best bet for getting a fair price with the least amount of hassle. 

And thanks for the best wishes.  If I can make it happen I will share everything with this community and you'll see I will make the previous owner proud.

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on August 23, 2018, 06:43:08 PM
Chris, I think you need to make Rob the same offer I made the man I brought my Challenger from....

I offered to let him drive it when I finished restoring it.....

And I did..... I tossed the keys to him & his wife..... He drove it around the block & said that was more than enough, he couldn't believe I would trust him with a car I'd put so much work & money into...... Wish I'd thought to snap a photo....
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 23, 2018, 08:06:19 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on August 23, 2018, 06:43:08 PM
Chris, I think you need to make Rob the same offer I made the man I brought my Challenger from....

I offered to let him drive it when I finished restoring it.....

And I did..... I tossed the keys to him & his wife..... He drove it around the block & said that was more than enough, he couldn't believe I would trust him with a car I'd put so much work & money into...... Wish I'd thought to snap a photo....

Randy,

I have no problem making that agreement.  I'm also willing to place this car in front of my FC7 Challenger R/T 440 sipack automatic that I was planning on restoring next. 

The owner can also come visit it if he wants and see my set up. 

Chris
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: RUNCHARGER on August 23, 2018, 08:26:00 PM
That would be so much better than seeing it passed between flippers on Ebay for a few years, with original parts perhaps being removed randomly as time passes.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 23, 2018, 08:42:29 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on August 23, 2018, 08:26:00 PM
That would be so much better than seeing it passed between flippers on Ebay for a few years, with original parts perhaps being removed randomly as time passes.

I couldn't agree more.

As some of you know I also have a FK5 Shaker Sixpack Challenger.  The owner (of 17 years) had taken it half way apart and then placed the car on eBay.  I asked to see the car.  Went down to South San Francisco and made a deal.  He canceled the auction.  It took me two trips to SSF to get the car and all the parts.  The seller was happy and I was happy.  This way he did not waste his time with the potential of some 12 year old bidding on his car without money.  Or all the other monkey business that happens on eBay. 

The cool thing is that my car used to run around San Jose - this green car is in San Jose.  I think that's cool  8)

I reassembled my car and installed the motor the guy had put together for it.  I still need to finish the resto on my 71 Sixpack Challenger but I'll have that down before the end of the year. 

So the question is what will be next?   :handshake:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Robseg on August 23, 2018, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: TobiasM on August 23, 2018, 02:45:57 PM
Hello @Robseg (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/robseg_2468) and  :welcome: aboard from the old world.

Great car you have and a Dad with a good taste.

I am lucky enough to own a very similar car...so no wonder I like yours, too  :banana:

Your easiest way to find out what it's worth is to put it on ebay.

Value depends on how rusty the other spots of the car are, on the condition of the interiour and on the condition of the technical stuff: numbers-matching? Engine running or seized?

The rust-damage your car suffered at the roof alone is a major surgery...unfortunately.

Would you be so kind to supply some shots of your hoods underside? Would be very helpfull for this boards thread about Shaker-Challengers.  :cheers:
I will try and take better pictures of the car. The engine hasn't ran in a long time. You know the old saying " it ran when parked" 😂 The car was parked because the guy that rebuilt the carbs got in to a fender bender. For the most part its unmolested.
Quote from: Morty426 on August 23, 2018, 03:39:22 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on August 23, 2018, 07:30:14 AM
Hopefully it ends up in the hands of someone who will do it justice.

THAT WOULD BE ME!   :veryexcited:

I live within 150 miles.

I have a tremendous amount of Challenger experience and all the ORIGINAL parts to do this car properly. 

I have the resources, means and desire.

I am trying to contact the OP so that I look at the car.

It also fits nicely into my Challenger collection. 

I don't sell cars so no worry about dealing with a flipper

Please contact me
I think what I need to do is get it out of the back and take better pictures of it before I comment. You definitely sound like a person that i would like it to go to, for what others have said about you. It would be close so i could see it when done.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 23, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
All Members,

I want to be totally above board here.  I PM'd the owner and he said he really wanted to established the value before he did anything.  I sent him a reply with my thoughts on the subject and then I decided wait a minute.  I have no reason to keep this portion private so I am going to share with you what I sent him and you guys call tell me if I am inline or smoking crack. 

Thanks
Chris aka Morty

What I sent:

OK I see no one has really answered your question so let me see if I can give a little window.  This car is a major project but that is OK if you know how to do these cars,.  Value is based on desirability, condition, documentation and what is missing. 

The base value on the car is probably $25,000 plus or minus with a good chances you will more pluses than minuses. 

Minuses - would be more rust than normal from water getting inside the car, frame rail damage from the accident, stuck or blown motor.

Pluses - completeness of the car, documentation, are the rare parts there, are the wheels there, so on.  These can add $10k to the car - maybe more. 

The only way to know is to look at the car to see what you got and what you don't got. 

Two things to keep in mind. 
1.  There is a 70 'cuda 440+6 in San Jose for sale for $35K that is apart but optioned the same other than Hemi Orange paint and no vinyl top.  However I am a Challenger guy
2.  The restoration of this car if you do most of the work yourself will run about $30,000 to $40,000.  Restored Sixpack Challengers  sell in the $75-85K range.  Cuda 440+6 in the 95K to 105K range.  So you restore a car only because you love the car, not to make money unless you like working for pennies. 

So I would to hear your thoughts

I hope this helped or was informative.

Thanks
Chris
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Robseg on August 23, 2018, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: Morty426 on August 23, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
All Members,

I want to be totally above board here.  I PM'd the owner and he said he really wanted to established the value before he did anything.  I sent him a reply with my thoughts on the subject and then I decided wait a minute.  I have no reason to keep this portion private so I am going to share with you what I sent him and you guys call tell me if I am inline or smoking crack. 

Thanks
Chris aka Morty

What I sent:

OK I see no one has really answered your question so let me see if I can give a little window.  This car is a major project but that is OK if you know how to do these cars,.  Value is based on desirability, condition, documentation and what is missing. 

The base value on the car is probably $25,000 plus or minus with a good chances you will more pluses than minuses. 

Minuses - would be more rust than normal from water getting inside the car, frame rail damage from the accident, stuck or blown motor.

Pluses - completeness of the car, documentation, are the rare parts there, are the wheels there, so on.  These can add $10k to the car - maybe more. 

The only way to know is to look at the car to see what you got and what you don't got. 

Two things to keep in mind. 
1.  There is a 70 'cuda 440+6 in San Jose for sale for $35K that is apart but optioned the same other than Hemi Orange paint and no vinyl top.  However I am a Challenger guy
2.  The restoration of this car if you do most of the work yourself will run about $30,000 to $40,000.  Restored Sixpack Challengers  sell in the $75-85K range.  Cuda 440+6 in the 95K to 105K range.  So you restore a car only because you love the car, not to make money unless you like working for pennies. 

So I would to hear your thoughts

I hope this helped or was informative.

Thanks
Chris

Thanks for the real talk. I what i need to do is get the car out in the open and figure out what it has. Its been sitting for a really long time. I dont want to sell it but need to be honest with myself. I have way too many cars and need to make a choice. I would rather finish my 67 Chevelle and dont want the car to rot anymore then it has. I work most weekend and need to set aside time to get it out. Thanks for all the help ill keep you guys posted. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Shoooter on August 23, 2018, 10:23:41 PM
no this is a cool car. there are lots of great guys here that can save it!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: fc7cuda on August 24, 2018, 05:55:19 AM
Quote from: Morty426 on August 23, 2018, 09:32:39 PM
All Members,

I want to be totally above board here.  I PM'd the owner and he said he really wanted to established the value before he did anything.  I sent him a reply with my thoughts on the subject and then I decided wait a minute.  I have no reason to keep this portion private so I am going to share with you what I sent him and you guys call tell me if I am inline or smoking crack. 

Thanks
Chris aka Morty

What I sent:

OK I see no one has really answered your question so let me see if I can give a little window.  This car is a major project but that is OK if you know how to do these cars,.  Value is based on desirability, condition, documentation and what is missing. 

The base value on the car is probably $25,000 plus or minus with a good chances you will more pluses than minuses. 

Minuses - would be more rust than normal from water getting inside the car, frame rail damage from the accident, stuck or blown motor.

Pluses - completeness of the car, documentation, are the rare parts there, are the wheels there, so on.  These can add $10k to the car - maybe more. 

The only way to know is to look at the car to see what you got and what you don't got. 

Two things to keep in mind. 
1.  There is a 70 'cuda 440+6 in San Jose for sale for $35K that is apart but optioned the same other than Hemi Orange paint and no vinyl top.  However I am a Challenger guy
2.  The restoration of this car if you do most of the work yourself will run about $30,000 to $40,000.  Restored Sixpack Challengers  sell in the $75-85K range.  Cuda 440+6 in the 95K to 105K range.  So you restore a car only because you love the car, not to make money unless you like working for pennies. 

So I would to hear your thoughts

I hope this helped or was informative.

Thanks
Chris


I think this is a fair assessment of the car and of the situation as far as what's known thusfar.   The value comparison to the 70 Cuda is spot on and a good "comp" for comparing these two cars(although different models).

I encourage the OP to do what he feels is necessary and to share as many pics as he likes.  Getting that 67 Chevelle done too would be awesome!!

Living in Texas I've seen allot of really neat cars leave the state going elsewhere, and it's sad as they never return.  There's just something special about a car staying around it's area where it sold new.  It's surprising sometime folks who remember the car after 20, 30, etc years.  And the memories they have.   :alan2cents:

Tom
70 Cuda 440-6 since 1982
68 HemiCharger since 1981(original Dallas car)


Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: E74cuda on August 24, 2018, 09:04:05 AM
I agree on the 25ish range for the car based on the limited information. The rust will definitely add to the restoration cost. Doing the restoration yourself along with subbing out things like some of the metal and body work, it will be 40k at least for the restoration considering most of the correct and expensive parts are there to be restored. I believe that the exterior color will hold the car back some in pricing when finished. I'd say that the 75-85 value when done may be a little on the high side.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: HP_Cuda on August 25, 2018, 12:24:45 PM

Heck I could jump in my Cuda and drive a couple of miles and take a look at it if anyone wants.

It would be easier to see once he pulled it out of there though.

:)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: nsmall on August 25, 2018, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: E74cuda on August 24, 2018, 09:04:05 AM
I agree on the 25ish range for the car based on the limited information. The rust will definitely add to the restoration cost. Doing the restoration yourself along with subbing out things like some of the metal and body work, it will be 40k at least for the restoration considering most of the correct and expensive parts are there to be restored. I believe that the exterior color will hold the car back some in pricing when finished. I'd say that the 75-85 value when done may be a little on the high side.

Lets say it costs 25k for body work and paint, wouldnt it be another 25-35k for everything else?  Not trying to disagree with anyone, just curious what others think of the total resto cost on this one.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: RUNCHARGER on August 25, 2018, 04:58:59 PM
Last two Challengers I put together cost $25k for "miscellaneous". Tires, shocks, balljoints, exhaust, radiator,  upholstery etc.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 25, 2018, 09:21:45 PM
Quote from: nsmall on August 25, 2018, 02:36:53 PM
Quote from: E74cuda on August 24, 2018, 09:04:05 AM
I agree on the 25ish range for the car based on the limited information. The rust will definitely add to the restoration cost. Doing the restoration yourself along with subbing out things like some of the metal and body work, it will be 40k at least for the restoration considering most of the correct and expensive parts are there to be restored. I believe that the exterior color will hold the car back some in pricing when finished. I'd say that the 75-85 value when done may be a little on the high side.

Lets say it costs 25k for body work and paint, wouldnt it be another 25-35k for everything else?  Not trying to disagree with anyone, just curious what others think of the total resto cost on this one.

I think my cost on restoring this car would be around $40K but I have a large collection of Challenger and California Sixpack parts that will keep the cost around there. 

The restoration costs on my 71 Challenger are already over $57,000 and I am not done yet, but probably no more than $3000 still to spend.  This car had a lot of expensive lessons learned. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: E74cuda on August 26, 2018, 08:57:03 AM


Lets say it costs 25k for body work and paint, wouldnt it be another 25-35k for everything else?  Not trying to disagree with anyone, just curious what others think of the total resto cost on this one.
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These days buying a project and hoping to be into it for what it's worth when done is slim to none. Someone would probably pay the 25k either knowing they will be under water when done or wrongly thinking they can do the restoration and have it equal out financially in the end which is wrong also. I have several cars that need restorations so I am continually pushing one through. It's always more than you think and $1000 dollar chunks just keep pilling on until it's over.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on August 26, 2018, 09:17:05 AM
You don't do these cars to make money....  Well to be more specific if you own the car you don't have it restored to make money..... The companies that do the restorations do make money.... If you have a Hemi Superbird thats been in the family forever & it truly needs to be restored then yes it's a sound financial decision to restore it.... Most of these cars who need to understand on the way in your doing it because you want to, not because your gonna make a profit....

And honestly those who are concerned about making a profit you probably don't want to buy their cars cause corners get cut to save money......
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: RUNCHARGER on August 26, 2018, 09:52:13 AM
Yes: Bottom line is this car, because it is so complete and unmessed with should go to someone that really loves the cars. If it doesn't go to someone who really loves these cars it will not get the resto it deserves, shortcuts will be taken, right parts will be switched for wrong parts all in the hope of flipping it on Ebay or a ground auction just to make a few bucks. Lets hope it goes to the right home to pay respect to the car and it's original owner who kept it intact all these years.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: anlauto on August 26, 2018, 10:06:53 AM
$40K for a restoration is a joke ! :haha: Try doubling that  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Robseg on August 26, 2018, 11:35:15 AM
As the care taker of this car I will make sure who ever gets it will put it back on the road. I wish I could keep it but I'm not getting any younger and need to make a realistic decision. First thing I need to do is pull it out of the back yard and get pictures of it. I've had the car since 2005 and have finally come to terms it needs to go to a new home. I will miss it because it reminds me of my dad. He died way too young at 57. Time is short for me so it may take me a little while to get it out. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: nsmall on August 26, 2018, 09:11:07 PM
Sorry for the loss of your dad.  Cars and dads often have a lot in common.

I hope we have helped you understand what you have.  I hope you get the most you can understanding better now how much it will cost to "finish" the car and what it will be "worth" in the end.  Mopar parts are expensive and when you do a full restoration on one, it adds up very quickly. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: E74cuda on August 27, 2018, 09:21:19 AM
Quote from: anlauto on August 26, 2018, 10:06:53 AM
$40K for a restoration is a joke ! :haha: Try doubling that  :alan2cents:


Alan, The 40k ballpark is doing doing the restoration myself along with having things subbed  out like the engine build and body work. I try to choose cars that don't need much metal work. 80-100 or so is signing checks.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: anlauto on August 27, 2018, 09:48:25 AM
Just buying the reproduction parts it takes to do a proper full restoration will cost you $25K-$30K without any "mark-up" from a restoration shop.

The blue convertible I just finished took closer to $40K USD in PARTS ALONE....that's NOT what I charged my customer, rather MY COST with discounts from basically every vendor out there...

A lot of people make assumptions based on rough "ideas" or "plans" ...... I base my opinions on facts based off of several E Body restorations recently finished..... :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: 716bbl on August 27, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
E bodies are top of the food chain.
There was a almost exact copy of this car that sold like 2 summers ago out of Lincoln, Nebraska.
IIRC, it was a Minnesota car and ended up going to Finland.
N96, EF8, D21 missing a few under hood shaker pieces.
I don't remember what it auctioned for?
Both cool cars.
Bottom line, it should go to someone that would do it justice.
Hopefully the Owner and New Owner hit it off and are Both Happy.
I am sure Chris would do this car correctly.
Good luck and Thanks for posting such a cool car.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 27, 2018, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: anlauto on August 26, 2018, 10:06:53 AM
$40K for a restoration is a joke ! :haha: Try doubling that  :alan2cents:


We are not talking Canadian Monopoly money. 

Can you easily blow $80000?  Sure you can. 

But here is the advantage I have, I have been a Challenger guy for 36 years.  I parted out plenty of cars back in the day and I kept all my stuff.  I have a 40 foot shipping container filled with nice clean rust free California sheet metal.  So I don't need anything from AMD

So I think $40,000 will get this car done. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: anlauto on August 27, 2018, 05:28:54 PM
What about the other dozen or so cars you got waiting for restoration?  :haha: :cheers:

If you can restore this car for $40K....I'll send you all the business I have so I can retire... :slapme5:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on August 27, 2018, 05:36:54 PM
Chris why would you use that old sheet metal when AMD has brand new shiny pieces.....  (Fresh off the boat from China)  :rofl: I'm glad it's available for those who want it.... I don't...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: ratroaster on August 27, 2018, 05:58:41 PM
With the roof that far gone I bet it has issues underneath also. I really doubt you could restore this for 40k.  My  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on August 27, 2018, 06:35:31 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on August 27, 2018, 05:36:54 PM
Chris why would you use that old sheet metal when AMD has brand new shiny pieces.....  (Fresh off the boat from China)  :rofl: I'm glad it's available for those who want it.... I don't...

Every single piece of repo I have ever bought has gone in the trash can

I believe in real metal for real cars
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: E74cuda on August 28, 2018, 08:07:11 AM
Quote from: anlauto on August 27, 2018, 09:48:25 AM
Just buying the reproduction parts it takes to do a proper full restoration will cost you $25K-$30K without any "mark-up" from a restoration shop.

The blue convertible I just finished took closer to $40K USD in PARTS ALONE....that's NOT what I charged my customer, rather MY COST with discounts from basically every vendor out there...

A lot of people make assumptions based on rough "ideas" or "plans" ...... I base my opinions on facts based off of several E Body restorations recently finished..... :dunno:


I don't doubt the costs that are involved in the cars that you do. You turn out nice work. The blue convertible isn't something that I would have taken on. To get that car in paint with the metal work involved adds to much time and $ for someone like me to take on. Not only that, more than likely most all parts needed replacing. The Challenger that I'm about finished with didn't need any rust repair and had very nice parts. Not done to the level of your restorations but nice with most all original parts and costs to get it done much less than 40k. That's also not counting my hours.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: 716bbl on August 28, 2018, 03:08:11 PM
You are obviously a good Planner.

I hope it gets restored correctly.
I have always wondered from the pictures I've seen of
restorations where the quarters are cut along body lines.
I wouldn't want a Car restored in that manner.
I would want my seams at factory correct locations.
I would think this would affect the value of a Rare car in a very
negative $$$ in investment quality.
This is why so many newer All brands get bought today.
It is cheaper and simpler to buy something than restore it.

Alan does do a Quality Job on His Restorations.
Guys like that are few and far.
Still a cool car that hopefully gets finished to a high standard.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Fastmark on September 06, 2018, 05:10:18 AM
Looking at the least few challengers I have sold or help sell, they don't bring Cuda money, but all ebodies cost a lot to restore. If someone has lots of parts already stocked up to do a project that he considered his favorite, then he will pay more than most. If he does most of the work himself, even better. My opinion here, a guy like that would pay $25,000 for the car and it be a fair deal for both. He won't be making money anytime soon. Only if the inflation that happens over time, will he come out all right. And that's if the current trend continues. All this could end in a heartbeat with new laws or a change in world events. $30,000 might be possible on the car. But that's pushing it. I'd run all the way to the bank if it were mine for $30,000 on that car. Very few would give that much for the car. There are way too many restored cars out there to be bought in the mid $60's or less. I don't personally know anyone on this board. That's my two cents worth.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: RUNCHARGER on September 06, 2018, 07:10:44 AM
I think you're pretty realistic with what you said there. As time goes on original parts will be even harder to come by as well and a 440 Six Pack deserves original parts to be put on it.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on September 06, 2018, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on September 06, 2018, 07:10:44 AM
I think you're pretty realistic with what you said there. As time goes on original parts will be even harder to come by as well and a 440 Six Pack deserves original parts to be put on it.

I think he was spot on. 

I look forward to hearing from the owner
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on January 24, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Hi Everybody  :wave:

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: 6bblgt on January 24, 2020, 09:31:12 PM
Hi @Morty426 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/morty426_1660),  :thinking: are you the "new" owner?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: RzeroB on January 24, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: Morty426 on January 24, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Hi Everybody  :wave:

That you Chris??  :waving:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on January 24, 2020, 11:12:47 PM
Quote from: RzeroB on January 24, 2020, 10:09:30 PM
Quote from: Morty426 on January 24, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Hi Everybody  :wave:

That you Chris??  :waving:

That's me  :D
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on January 24, 2020, 11:26:47 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 24, 2020, 09:31:12 PM
Hi @Morty426 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/morty426_1660),  :thinking: are you the "new" owner?

Either that or someone snuck it behind my truck.   ::)

Yes I am happy to announce that Rob, the owner, allowed me to take over the stewardship of his dad's car.  I also want to thank the Mopar Community members that told Rob that the best thing for the car is allow me to take it on.  I don't which of you all did this but I owe each of you a beverage.   :drinkingbud:

This is my 100th car purchase and I have to say that Rob is the best seller I have ever dealt with. 

As for the car it's simply amazing and Rob's dad picked a winner.  I'll publish more details tomorrow.  The 4 hour drive home through Bay Area traffic was a little bit of murder. 

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: anlauto on January 25, 2020, 03:02:31 AM
Congratulations on the purchase :banana: where in line will this fall with all of your other projects waiting to be restored ? :wrenching: Very cool car when finished. :drooling:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Katfish on January 25, 2020, 05:12:47 AM
Looking at the thread dates, it took 18 months to get the deal done?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Floyd on January 25, 2020, 06:38:07 AM
Patience is a virtue!  Congrats Chris.  The original owner's son is going to light up when he sees that car returned to its former glory.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on January 25, 2020, 08:19:58 AM
Quote from: anlauto on January 25, 2020, 03:02:31 AM
Congratulations on the purchase :banana: where in line will this fall with all of your other projects waiting to be restored ? :wrenching: Very cool car when finished. :drooling:

Alan I KNEW you would post this question  :haha:

I was thinking this might go to the front of the line, but first I need to inventory what all I need to get and what all I can steal out of my stash of goodies.  There will be some serious shopping at Carlisle this year.  We can talk about it there.  We can have a Coke  :drinking bud:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on January 25, 2020, 08:25:38 AM
Quote from: Katfish on January 25, 2020, 05:12:47 AM
Looking at the thread dates, it took 18 months to get the deal done?

@Katfish (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/katfish_63) No it took one day to get the deal done and then a week waiting for us to both have a window of opportunity to pick up the car.

The owner needed time to find things for the car, get other projects out of the way, determine the correct value and make sure he found the right steward (thank God it was me) to take the flame. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on January 25, 2020, 08:30:47 AM
Quote from: Floyd on January 25, 2020, 06:38:07 AM
Patience is a virtue!  Congrats Chris.  The original owner's son is going to light up when he sees that car returned to its former glory.

Bruce, the owner's son was simply awesome and I could not thank him enough.  I going to try move his 70 Corvette LT-1 that he wants to sell.  I'm tempted to buy it myself and if you knew how I felt about C3 Corvettes you'd know what a big complement it is to the owner. 

I look forward to seeing you at Carlisle
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: anlauto on January 25, 2020, 10:03:13 AM
Quote from: Morty426 on January 25, 2020, 08:19:58 AM
Quote from: anlauto on January 25, 2020, 03:02:31 AM
Congratulations on the purchase :banana: where in line will this fall with all of your other projects waiting to be restored ? :wrenching: Very cool car when finished. :drooling:

Alan I KNEW you would post this question  :haha:

I was thinking this might go to the front of the line, but first I need to inventory what all I need to get and what all I can steal out of my stash of goodies.  There will be some serious shopping at Carlisle this year.  We can talk about it there.  We can have a Coke  :drinking bud:

:drinkingbud: You have some fantastic cars in the "line up" and this one fits in nicely... :drooling: :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: JH27N0B on January 25, 2020, 04:17:14 PM
Congratulations Chris!  That's a one of a kind car there, N96 70 Challengers are like hens teeth.
You may end up the king of V codes with the collection you've assembled!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Robseg on January 25, 2020, 08:48:29 PM
It was a pleasure doing business with you. As for how long it took I needed to get somethings done around my house first. Then I was trying to sell my dads Corvette and the guy looking at it made an offer on both. I felt that I needed to contact Chris and let him look at it. I was glad I did the buyer for the Corvette turned out to be a little immature. I feel that Chris was a good person for the car and it went to a good home. I was able to find a lot of the original front end parts with the front license plate. I cant wait to see it back to the original green color that I remember when I was a kid.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: mccannix on January 26, 2020, 06:11:33 AM
I'm sure Chris will make you proud when he is finished with the car.
Congratulations to both you guys :cheers:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger R/T 440ci w/6-pack, shaker and 4-speed
Post by: Morty426 on January 26, 2020, 07:22:04 AM
Quote from: JH27N0B on January 25, 2020, 04:17:14 PM
Congratulations Chris!  That's a one of a kind car there, N96 70 Challengers are like hens teeth.
You may end up the king of V codes with the collection you've assembled!

Brad, I'm just trying to be the next Daniel Banker (RIP buddy)  :drinkingbud: