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Title: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: Cuda Cody on March 07, 2017, 08:42:38 AM
Are these the same IBM Punch cards that were used on E-Bodies?  @cudaized (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudaized_212)  or @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)  have you guys seen any original IBM Punch Cards?

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Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: HP_Cuda on March 07, 2017, 09:41:37 AM

Yep those are punch cards alright.

I don't know how you would know if it was specifically for ebodies unless there was some designation on them as well.
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: Burdar on March 07, 2017, 09:53:46 AM
Here's mine.  The BS sheet in the car is for a Cuda but the punch cards are for my car.

(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi137.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq229%2Fburdar%2F73%2520Challenger%2Fchallengerbs001.jpg&hash=2f86ddac4e6b5303964eb34c4555de359658de70) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/burdar/media/73%20Challenger/challengerbs001.jpg.html)
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: cudaized on March 07, 2017, 10:28:05 AM
1971 `cuda383 convertible

1971 Barracuda convertible
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: Cuda Cody on March 07, 2017, 10:35:35 AM
Thanks guys!  When I saw those IBM punch cards come up on ebay I thought they didn't look right.   :notsure:  But there not even close to the ones Mopar used on E-Bodies. 

I've never seen a punch card in person.  They have to be one of the rarest documents you can find in a E-Body.   :cool:
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: 6bblgt on March 07, 2017, 10:36:47 AM
those appear to be the same physical size, but as shown above the ones used at Chrysler would have Chrysler specific printed info on them

btw - I can decode these  8) by 1970 they have limited info on them  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: Cuda Cody on March 07, 2017, 10:42:40 AM
That's some seriously wizard level stuff right there!   :worship:

Quote from: 6bblgt on March 07, 2017, 10:36:47 AM
btw - I can decode these  8) by 1970 they have limited info on them  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: cudaized on March 07, 2017, 10:56:56 AM
That is why Dan is a great asset to our hobby.

:perfect10:
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: 6bblgt on March 07, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
the above "formal black" w/green buckets, 318 Barracuda convertible - was SOLD new at Feister Auto Sales (Westland, MI / Wayne county)

looks like they are still in business - but no longer have a Chrysler-Plymouth franchise
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: Aar1064 on March 07, 2017, 12:03:41 PM
How do you get these cards? Were they supposed to be in car or can you acquire them in other ways?
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: 6bblgt on March 07, 2017, 12:32:35 PM
it appears an IBM card was included with the paperwork a dealership received for a car
they were supposed to be returned to Chrysler as part of the "quality control" inspection procedure by the dealership

FCA has photocopies available of their microfiche IBM card records for model years 1967 & earlier - NONE for the E-body years  :Thud:
here's a '64 sample - more info on the '67 & earlier IBM cards - you must prove ownership to purchase a copy
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: Burdar on March 07, 2017, 12:52:06 PM
I'm not 100% sure where I found mine.  I want to say they were under the carpet since they are a little dirty.  Dad replaced the carpet in the 80s though.  I doubt he would have left them there when he installed it.  They don't have seat spring stains.  Everything else in the owners manual sleeve is pristine so I don't think the cards were in there either.  Any chance they were found up in the headliner?  Maybe they just spent their life in the glove box...loose and not in the owners manual sleeve.  That could explain then being dirty.
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: Daveh on March 07, 2017, 01:15:44 PM
I remember way back in high school math class spending an entire semester working out problems that corresponded to the punch cards and then at the end of the semester we ended up with a 6 inch stack of those things.  Then we had to drive to another school to have their monster computer spit out what the stack of cards said.  After all of that it said the name of my high school.  What a PIA.

Kinda of reminded me of the Christmas Story where Ralphie got his decoder ring and it ended up saying drink more Ovaltine.  What a let down. 
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: fc7cuda on March 07, 2017, 01:38:44 PM
Quote from: Aar1064 on March 07, 2017, 12:03:41 PM
Were they supposed to be in car or can you acquire them in other ways?

I've found them under the carpeting and in with the glove box owners manual.  For my 67 I got a copy from Chrysler Historical.  I think it was $35.00.
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: Cuda Cody on March 07, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
 :worship: :clapping: :worship: :clapping: :worship: :clapping: :worship:  That is truly impressive!!!!     :bravo:

Quote from: 6bblgt on March 07, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
the above "formal black" w/green buckets, 318 Barracuda convertible - was SOLD new at Feister Auto Sales (Westland, MI / Wayne county)

looks like they are still in business - but no longer have a Chrysler-Plymouth franchise
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: RUNCHARGER on March 07, 2017, 02:01:37 PM
We used boxes of those cards at the railroad. Each card represented a railcar you had in your yard. We would punch the info onto the cards and put them on a rack on a wall that would represent a track. Of course if the destination of the car or empty to load changed we would repunch them. Spent hours doing that. In the old days I could read the info on the card by just looking at the holes, newbies would have to use a legend.
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: A.Gramz on March 07, 2017, 03:29:19 PM
@Aar1064 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/aar1064_59)    My understanding is sometimes they were found under carpeting. You used to be able to contact Chrysler and pay a fee and get a poor photo copy off a microfiche of the card for late 60s and older vechiles as new vechiles files were apparently distroied by a fire or something like that. 
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: A.Gramz on March 07, 2017, 03:36:52 PM
My understanding is there IBM UNIVAC cards.  Anybody know the series for them?
Title: Re: IBM Punch Cards
Post by: challenger6pak on March 07, 2017, 05:37:01 PM
When you look at the keyboard, you can see how some mistakes where made by hitting the wrong keys.