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Technical Shop => Electrical & Audio => Topic started by: Adams1stCuda on April 23, 2018, 06:02:40 PM

Title: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: Adams1stCuda on April 23, 2018, 06:02:40 PM
Does anyone know what the difference are/could be between a 72 and 73 dash wiring harness to warrant the $82 difference at YO; with the 72 being more expensive?  I have both year wiring diagrams from ClassicCarWiring and other than the color of the jumper wire between the A/C and Heater Blower connector, I cannot find any differences.  TIA...
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: Cuda Cody on April 23, 2018, 08:45:11 PM
I can't think of anything major that would equal a big price jump.  Maybe it has to do with the number of them made / sold so the less they make of one specific year could mean they have to charge more to get them?   :notsure:  Year One sells the M&H and they are great harnesses.

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Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: Adams1stCuda on April 24, 2018, 07:46:20 AM
Ya they have 30% plus free shipping until the end of the month, and are not excluding the harnesses, so I am going to order one for sure.  It just seems weird that if they are the same why different part numbers/price.
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: Burdar on April 24, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
It's possible that the bulkhead connectors and/or the fuse panel is different between years. Make sure all of your engine compartment harnesses will physically bolt up to the bulkhead.

If the harnesses are identical, there would be no reason for different part numbers.  So, there must be a difference somewhere.  Whether that causes an installation problem is another matter.  Post your findings please.
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: anlauto on April 24, 2018, 09:45:07 AM
Uh...weird....also all 5 years of harnesses have different part numbers, so I guess there's some sort of difference between 72 & 73  :thinking: :dunno:
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: quapman on April 24, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
72s have the 3-pin door jamb switch on the driver's side. That may have changed over mid year to the 73 style.
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: Adams1stCuda on April 24, 2018, 12:02:06 PM
So its solved...called YO and they gave me the number to call M&H Electric who manufactures the harnesses.  Got ahold of their technical department and the guy was more than helpful.  He looked up the engineering and technical schematics of each and went 'line-by-line' at each electrical connection and found the following differneces:

1. Passenger side door jam switch connector; 72 had a femal blade connector, 73 was a bullet connector
2. Driver side door jam switch connector; 72 had a 3-pin connector (@quapman had it pegged), 73 had a female blade
3. 72 had a time delay relay on the dome lamp (2 yellow w/black trace and female bullet connector), 73 did not have this

Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: anlauto on April 24, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
Interesting to know that they really do sweat out the small details  :worship:
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: Slotts on April 24, 2018, 12:30:18 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 24, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
Interesting to know that they really do sweat out the small details  :worship:

Then do an epic fail installing the 71+ fuse block with incorrect wiring that should be installed into the 70 only E body harnesses.  :Thud:

(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi248.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg169%2FSlotts%2FServer%2FIMG_5262.jpg&hash=deb81a0fa5435863ec333669b56dbfe45ff1439e) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/Slotts/media/Server/IMG_5262.jpg.html)

Jim
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: shawge on April 24, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
I remember they sent a note when I got my 70 harness.  I remember one of the differences was the horn relay.  What are the others?
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: Chryco Psycho on April 24, 2018, 06:49:29 PM
probably added the seat belt warning light on the right side of the dash in 73
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: ledphoot on April 24, 2018, 11:46:13 PM
Quote from: Slotts on April 24, 2018, 12:30:18 PM
Quote from: anlauto on April 24, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
Interesting to know that they really do sweat out the small details  :worship:

Then do an epic fail installing the 71+ fuse block with incorrect wiring that should be installed into the 70 only E body harnesses.  :Thud:

(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi248.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg169%2FSlotts%2FServer%2FIMG_5262.jpg&hash=deb81a0fa5435863ec333669b56dbfe45ff1439e) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/Slotts/media/Server/IMG_5262.jpg.html)




Jim

Thats interesting, I need to replace the entire wiring harness in the cuda and was looking at using them.. I guess I shouldn't assume that it is plug and play...

Sad..
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: Slotts on April 25, 2018, 03:00:37 AM
Quote from: shawge on April 24, 2018, 02:41:37 PM
I remember they sent a note when I got my 70 harness.  I remember one of the differences was the horn relay.  What are the others?

Isn't that special! They were kind enough to take your money first, then include a slip of paper notifying the harness is not 100% correct. Bless their hearts.

Quote from: ledphoot on April 24, 2018, 11:46:13 PM

Thats interesting, I need to replace the entire wiring harness in the cuda and was looking at using them.. I guess I shouldn't assume that it is plug and play...

Sad..

Sad? No mad! I don't blame M&H, but Y1. They had to the working capital to do it right and went the cheap way out. You see where the motive is behind it. Dollars over everything else.

I would like to know when a 70 E body dash harness is installed in a car being judged, how many points are taken away when the key in buzzer rings under the steering column, instead of ringing from the separate relay by the passenger glove box door? The next time I see a 70 E body car being judged, I am going to find out...

Jim
Title: Re: 72/73 Dash Harness Differences???
Post by: anlauto on April 25, 2018, 04:03:54 AM
Yes...I forgot the bulkhead is incorrect for 70, however the 70 M&H harness still has the door buzzer on the passenger side by the glove box. :alan2cents: