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Title: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 14, 2020, 04:12:41 AM
Can the reverse motion be adjusted so the wiperarms dont stop at the top of stainless! Nothing are binding i can easy pull the wiper the rest area on the stainless without force

All wiper parts are correct to the motor all grounds ok plus extras added to the switch panel! And the motor does reverse just not anough!
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 14, 2020, 04:15:45 AM
And the stainless has no more than aprox 2 mm air over the windshield, so no huge gap
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Post by: Cuda Cody on November 14, 2020, 06:16:03 AM
Not sure if this has the answers, but it has some good info on wipers.

https://www.e-bodies.org/resources/master-technician-service-conference-reference-books-films/70-11-windshield-wipers/
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Cuda Cody on November 14, 2020, 06:19:05 AM
The manual has some info too.  make sure the motor is correct for an E-Body (077) or has been re-clocked.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: anlauto on November 14, 2020, 06:53:47 AM
Are they trying to park when they stop at the stainless ? By that I mean if you switch them to park, they stop at the stainless, if you just pick them up a bit, to they jump down into the parked position, or are they not trying to park at all ?
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 14, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
Quote from: anlauto on November 14, 2020, 06:53:47 AM
Are they trying to park when they stop at the stainless ? By that I mean if you switch them to park, they stop at the stainless, if you just pick them up a bit, to they jump down into the parked position, or are they not trying to park at all ?

Could be that , if thats the case its sensivetive to the stainless edge
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: anlauto on November 14, 2020, 10:19:46 AM
Quote from: Meyer on November 14, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
Quote from: anlauto on November 14, 2020, 06:53:47 AM
Are they trying to park when they stop at the stainless ? By that I mean if you switch them to park, they stop at the stainless, if you just pick them up a bit, to they jump down into the parked position, or are they not trying to park at all ?

Could be that , if thats the case its sensivetive to the stainless edge

They can be....try it, see what happens...make sure the key is on or the car still running
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: moreparts on November 14, 2020, 10:24:00 AM
I've had this happen to me years ago too.  I don't recall if it was in the clocking as in the above diagram that was the fix or a broken piece of plastic on the gear that leads the wipers to the park position.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 14, 2020, 11:52:50 AM
The motor do reverse but not anough wiperarms seems loosely but there are no play in the bushings etc!

The motor Is a ebody motor , can the reverse motion be adjusted for
More motion?
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: TGGodfrey on November 14, 2020, 07:40:56 PM
@Meyer (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/meyer_8356)   The reverse can be adjusted somewhat but honestly it would be easier for you to post a good picture of the switch plate on your motor for us. That will allow us to give you the best answer.

If you are not careful you can damaged the lands on the internal gear and that is a very pricey mistake.

Terry

Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 14, 2020, 10:13:59 PM
Pic of the plate
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Post by: Cuda Cody on November 15, 2020, 05:10:26 AM
What year is your car?  Has the wiper motor been rebuilt?
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Post by: Jay Bee on November 15, 2020, 06:48:34 AM
Looks like an important portion of your switch plate picture is cut off, it's clocked positioning tip. My picture is of a '70 - '71 wiper motor but I believe all years should be clocked the same way. The first picture in Cody's Reply#3 shows it as "Barracuda and Satellite".
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Post by: mopar jack on November 15, 2020, 07:16:50 AM
that looks like the wiper motor from a later model aspen. I pulled one like it from a pic and pull yard and installed on my 71 barracuda to replace the 2 speed as I had installed a shaker. I had to rotate the switch plate about 30 degrees to make it park and it works great.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 15, 2020, 08:42:28 AM
The motor is a 73 3 speed
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Post by: Ns1aar on November 15, 2020, 04:58:24 PM
The switch plate looks at least close to where it should be. Take the crank arm off the motor and post the part number and the number on the drive arm, the one that goes from the motor to the left wiper transmission. That will tells us what you have and what year it came from. 70-71 are the same and 72-74 are different.  Onec you have a baseline we can make it work.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 15, 2020, 10:07:19 PM
All part no are correct as i mentioned earlyer...

Its a 72-74 3 speed motor crankarm and link arm.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 16, 2020, 12:16:54 AM
Crank arm 3431518
3431 514 link arm
3431665 motor
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Ns1aar on November 16, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
1. Remove both wiper arms.
2. Remove the linkage.
3. Check all the linkage bushings and pivots for wear.
4. Check the wiper arm pivots for wear they should be tight.
5. Make sure the motor is clocked per the diagram in a previous post.
6. With the motor installed run and park the motor.
7. Make sure the linkage and pivots are installed per the FSM, you should not have to force anything. If you don't have an FSM mymopar.com has it under resources.
8. With the linkage installed and the motor parked put a horizontal mark on each of the wiper arm pivots.
9. Run the motor and observe the marks to see how far they sweep and if they return to park.
10. If the wiper arm pivots sweep and park you should be able to install the arms and run the system.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 16, 2020, 01:03:11 PM
Pivots are tight no wear,no wear on linkage bushings.

But it still wont park the wipers on the stainless center


The motor runs all 3 speeds and off it reverse park.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: anlauto on November 16, 2020, 01:42:03 PM
So you're saying that the wipers work on all speeds, when shut off they do that little reverse jog and go to the park position, but that position is too high ?

When the wipers are on full speed, how close do they come to the A pillar windshield trim ?

Maybe you have to reposition the wiper arms on the pivots ? :dunno:
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: TGGodfrey on November 17, 2020, 04:32:55 AM
@Meyer (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/meyer_8356) Check the plate nipple is in the position like Jay posted.  your picture cut off the area we need to see.  If that is correct, then we need to check the wiper arm position on the wiper transmission.  To do that, turn your wipes on and see where they travel to at the top and bottom.  It is possible someone reassembled the arms in the wrong position but you need to check before you just move them.

Terry
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Post by: Ns1aar on November 17, 2020, 09:02:26 AM
The linkage that goes between the two wiper transmissions has a tab on the end marked R,  make sure the tab is 90deg to the rest or the arm it can hit the pivot and stop the parking early
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 17, 2020, 10:57:33 AM
I will post pictures of the arms ,where they are in park and highest on windshield
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Post by: TGGodfrey on November 17, 2020, 01:29:23 PM
@Meyer (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/meyer_8356) We need to see the wiper at the highest position and the lowest position while running.  Park position we don't need to see (your description on that is good enough).  Getting that picture can be tough so what you can do is turn them on, watch where they stop going down and start going back up, mark that spot with a piece of masking tap or something and take a picture of that.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 21, 2020, 01:38:31 AM
Here is a picture of highest point anl lowest when running
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Post by: Cuda Cody on November 21, 2020, 06:47:56 AM
Aren't the wiper arms splined?  Is it possible they are just in the wrong spot?  So they work fine, but maybe go to far over and not far enough down?  When they are parked can you push them all the way down to where they should be parked or are they parked and only move a little bit?
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 21, 2020, 07:17:37 AM
I can push them over the stainless to where they should rest
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 21, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
@TGGodfrey (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/tggodfrey_8745)
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: moreparts on November 21, 2020, 02:54:45 PM
If your still having the problem I'll repeat what I said earlier up thread.  I think it could be part of your parking cam plastic that may be broken as I had a problem like this once too.  Pull the plate and look at that plastic cam behind it.  Cody posted a pic.  I believe the part that parks is at the 10 O'Clock position, but check for any breaks in general as my memory could be off.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: anlauto on November 21, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
I think the system is working fine and the wiper arm is just hanging up on the stainless...common problem ...tweak the wiper blade to give it more of an arc. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Ns1aar on November 22, 2020, 06:55:26 AM
Quote from: Ns1aar on November 17, 2020, 09:02:26 AM
The linkage that goes between the two wiper transmissions has a tab on the end marked R,  make sure the tab is 90deg to the rest or the arm it can hit the pivot and stop the parking early
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This was another fix for this problem. You may need to pull everything out and start over inspecting them as you go.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 22, 2020, 11:44:08 AM
What tab?
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Post by: Ns1aar on November 22, 2020, 06:39:32 PM
The linkage that goes between the two wiper transmissions has a tab on the end marked R

You would have to remove the linkage and pivots to see it
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Jay Bee on November 24, 2020, 06:52:00 AM
This is the tab that Ns1aar is referring to.
If everything is assembled correctly I personally think you have worn brass bushings that are worn just enough to have the blades hang up on 2mm of "lifted"  stainless trim. I know you said there's no wear on the bushings but if they're not new then there will be wear, it doesn't take much.
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: TGGodfrey on November 24, 2020, 07:55:47 AM
@Meyer (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/meyer_8356) send me a video of the wipers running, slow speed is fine.  Hood up makes it easier to see where they stop at the bottom.  815-509-5796 if its easier to send directly vs PM
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 24, 2020, 07:58:37 AM
Any email i can send it to im overseas ;-)
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 24, 2020, 08:02:04 AM
I have a nos link arm from crank arm to pivot. And there were no slop in the center arm between pivots

I think its the stainless that makes the trouble. Just cant see how a 2mm gap should make the motor not park the wipers , these motors are powerfull...
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: TGGodfrey on November 24, 2020, 09:17:18 AM
@Meyer (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/meyer_8356) Terrence.godfrey@sbcglobal.net

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Post by: Meyer on November 24, 2020, 09:21:19 AM
You got mail
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Post by: TGGodfrey on November 24, 2020, 09:27:51 AM
@Meyer (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/meyer_8356)

  Ok easy solution.  Turn your wipers on, let them go to the off position.  Remove the arms and reinstall them in the correct parked position.  When you watch the video you sent me, the arms are not coming down as far as they should.  You other picture with them all the way up shows they are traveling a little higher, that tells me your bushings appear ok and its not a linkage issue.

Terry
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Post by: anlauto on November 24, 2020, 09:38:29 AM
Anyway to post the video here ?
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Post by: TGGodfrey on November 24, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
i think the video has to be hosted to a site like youtube and then linked here.
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Post by: TGGodfrey on November 24, 2020, 09:49:28 AM
Let's try this

https://youtu.be/SAXGfu4uwwk
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: anlauto on November 24, 2020, 10:49:41 AM
That video link worked thank you for taking the time to set that up...Makes answering his question a lot easier.  :twothumbsup:

Like I said eight days ago, and now you've suggested it...just adjust the arms on the pivots. ;)

BUT BEFORE doing that, I would suggest what I said three days ago...bend the center section of the metal wiper blade to give it more of a curve, it looks flat in his video. By tweaking the wiper blade, you'll raise the arm up enough to clear the stainless steel trim in my opinion, that's all it will take :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Jay Bee on November 24, 2020, 10:55:05 AM
You have a huge gap with that stainless. I bet if you just flatten it against the windshield (don't ask me how) your wipers will park AOK. Your picture with the up swing at the A pillar looks normal to me. I wouldn't do any repositioning of the wipers on the splines until that stainless was flat. If you want to go through the trouble of actually removing the stainless my guess is the blades would go all the down without any assisting. As usual this is just my opinion. 
Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Cuda Cody on November 24, 2020, 11:59:24 AM
So everyone can see it in case this questions comes up again.  Like many have said, the splines can be adjusted and that is all that is needed.  Everything is working fine.  The wiper arms just need to be adjusted a few splines.



Title: Re: Cuda 3 speed wiper arms wont park correctly
Post by: Meyer on November 27, 2020, 09:21:46 AM
What refill/wiperblades to choose then
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Post by: Ns1aar on December 13, 2020, 10:41:06 AM
Did you get it to work