I have new glass and new seal ropes to install my front and back glass.
Should I DIY this or have someone come and install it? It seems straight forward, but I may be underestimating how hard it is to get a good fit and seal.
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I don't think it's very hard, but I've only watched people do it. My local guy does mobile service and it's so cheap I don't mess with it.
Its easy,just have a helper so you can get it centered
Quote from: Cuda Cody on July 06, 2017, 02:03:43 PM
I don't think it's very hard, but I've only watched people do it. My local guy does mobile service and it's so cheap I don't mess with it.
May I ask what they've charged you to set the glass?
I suppose it's a good time to ask about the process.
I assume, clean the glass and sealing surface.
Install the trim clips.
Apply the seal to the glass.
Center and press glass into frame
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It's not hard to do. The trick is getting it at the right height so that the molding will clip to the clips and there is no gap between the molding and glass. I've done my back window twice and need to do it again as the first time the glass was too high and the second time it was too low. There was a thread on here about installing glass that I thought I bookmarked but naturally now I can't find it. It described what thickness butyl to use and also suggested putting the butyl down in the window track first, without removing the paper and laying the glass on top of it to test fit it to make sure you don't have any high or low spots. Below is another article I had bookmarked about installing glass: http://www.route66restorations.com/Install.html
Here's the thread that was posted here: https://forum.e-bodies.org/body-shop/5/windshieldrear-glass-install-tips/826/
Ribbon seal is applied to the body.... inside edge of the flange.....
install the trim clips, before applying the ribbon seal place the glass in the opening & center it....view the gap all around to get an idea of how much space should be on each side... generally I use paint stir sticks as shims at the bottom & sides to help center the glass when the seal is in place... After the glass hits the seal you don't get a second shot....
Remove the glass, clean the glass & the flange, apply the ribbon seal The joint should be on the side & while it shouldn't overlap it does need to connect..
Two people to install the glass, carefully potion the glass then set it.... Look through the glass at the seal, it should be a solid black line, any gaps means a leak..... Use the palm of your hands to apply pressure, work the whole edge, localized hard pressure might crack the glass... I never have but I know of one guy who did but he probably overlapped the ribbon ....
I would post more but I've gotta go...
1) Make sure your windshield posts are blacked out or they will show EV2 (or whatever bright colour your car is) through the glass.
2) Drill trim holes and install clips.
3) Carefully set glass in and see what it takes to make a uniform gap all around. I myself make shims out of whatever rubber might be around the shop. I just shim the bottom but you have to note your side gaps so you can center the glass. Do this step with your helper.
4) Pinch weld primer.
5) Install the ribbon as Wild states.
6) For the windshield, make sure the side windows are down. At that point I have a blanket on the roof with the glass resting on it. You and your helper can now pick up the glass. You want one hand through the side window to support the glass with your other hand on the outside surface of the glass. One of you can bring the glass close to the ribbon but don't touch it, have it positioned like it will go straight into the opening though. At this point the other person can guide their lower corner in, when it just barely touches then the other side can be lowered to the ribbon as well. At this point it's all over and you just go around patting it in. As Wild has stated, make sure the ribbon shows black through the glass, this is how you know it is sealed.
I find the glass install really easy and it's the one thing i let my wife help me with. The other thing is convenience, It's a real PITA trying to line up an installer, take time off work etc. to make it all work. They don't generally charge much though.
Must I install the trim clips before the glass? It seems like something else to bump into and may cause issues during the install.
Thanks
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Yes, you'll never get them in after. My glass guy also uses a special primer on both the car and the glass before he puts the butyl tape. :alan2cents:
Quote from: anlauto on July 10, 2017, 11:33:52 AM
Yes, you'll never get them in after. My glass guy also uses a special primer on both the car and the glass before he puts the butyl tape. :alan2cents:
Thank you. I have someone coming to quote the install for me and I'll be sure to have the clips popped in if the number is right.
It's getting there!
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That's looking good. Pinch weld primer is what you use before the tape, it comes in a small bottle with a bottle brush.
I remember when I did mine, first time doing anything like that, I talked the wife into helping along with a couple of little rubber blocks which came with the sealer for spacing. Came out ok and no leaks.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on July 06, 2017, 05:30:35 PM
1) Make sure your windshield posts are blacked out or they will show EV2 (or whatever bright colour your car is) through the glass
This part of your post really got my attention since my posts are NOT black on an FY1 car.
I would really not prefer to spray any paint on the car if I can help it. Could I foam brush black here?
I assume I will want to scuff it, paint it and leave adequate cure time so that the pinch weld primer and ribbon seal will get something good to bond to?
I am not sure what type of paint I should be looking to use here.
Should I worry about painting anything but the apillars? What about the back glass?
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Your tape will need to be in further if that is your paint line. You really want to paint the window area all around so yellow does not show through at all. 3M makes a black primer or you can use some trim black.
https://www.e-bodies.org/Resources/Engineering_Illustrations/Black_Out_Sill_Pillar.pdf
You can spray it out on something and brush it on. In the photo you can kinda see the way I black them out. Sorry I have not taken many photos of the blackout area before the windshield goes in.
:iagree: paint the window area!! it is coming together VERY nicely! love the color
Thanks!
I have some SEM trim black that I will shoot, that's what my body man recommended. The tape is just for the trim I was messing with while installing the clips. Not for paint.
Should I paint the rear pinch weld too?
One last question. I have three screw holes on the left side and putting the screw in the middle of the clip looks wrong. What am I missing? The kit of clips that I bought are all identical.
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2 types of clips. The 1970 screw in and the 1971 and up use a pin. It looks like there might be a pin in yours up in the corner? :notsure: It looks like your clip is to low. Use a piece of trim and clip it in (carefully) so you can see where the clips need to be screwed in at. Here's a photo of the clips before blackout so you can see about where they go. Click to enlarge photo.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on July 11, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
2 types of clips. The 1970 screw in and the 1971 and up use a pin. It looks like there might be a pin in yours up in the corner? :notsure: It looks like your clip is to low. Use a piece of trim and clip it in (carefully) so you can see where the clips need to be screwed in at. Here's a photo of the clips before blackout so you can see about where they go. Click to enlarge photo.
My front windshield has all posts and two screw in clips in the corner.
My rear windshield has all posts and three screw in clips on the left side. [shown]
All posts/screws appear factory.
It looks like I need a mixture of clips. I ordered some 1970 screw clips for the five spots that I need them. Hopefully that solves the issue.
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Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on July 06, 2017, 01:52:05 PM
I have new glass and new seal ropes to install my front and back glass.
Should I DIY this or have someone come and install it? It seems straight forward, but I may be underestimating how hard it is to get a good fit and seal.
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My front glass was already installed in my car when I bought it so I only have experience with the rear window.
I installed all of my trim clips first of which I also had a mixture of both post type and screw type trim clips on my '71.
I did not use any rope type seals on my rear window (maybe I should have :notsure:).
1) I started by test fitting the glass into the opening and centered it up.
2) I then placed markers on both the body and the glass so that I could line it back up quickly when installing.
3) Next was the height measurement which was not that fun but I consider it a necessity to ensure that the glass is sitting at the proper height so that when you install the trim it does not sit too low or too high. Again, marking the low and high spots.
4) Next, I cleaned the window lip as well as the glass.
5) Applied the sealant and had a helper assist with setting the glass down into the opening.
6) I gave the glass a few light slaps around the outer edges to ensure that it was seated into the sealant and then let it cure.
7) Came back later and trimmed away the excess sealant that oozed out.
Overall . . . pretty easy.
I like to use this as reference.
Thank you all for the feedback. I ended up paying for the install and am on the fence on if it was worth it or not.
I did watch and learn, I'll be ready for next time!
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FYI...Your Cuda looks BA. Very sharp! :1place:
That looks great: You have it sitting perfect and the wheels look to fit perfectly as well.
So my ACC windshield sporadically cracked the other day, so I get the opportunity to do this again. This time I will not be paying for it, as the mobile guy that installed it before managed to make about an 1/8" gap in the upper right corner that leaked very badly. I can screw it up that bad for $0 :deadhorse:
Anyway, is there anything that locates the front windshield vertically in the channel? The rear has spacer blocks, but I am not aware of anything similar on the front?
Also, I have the post-style trim clips on the front. Even with new clips they do not like to stay on the posts, I can pop on the trim and it's very probably that the clip will just pop off of the post. Is there a better clip out there?
I make spacer blocks for the front, you can make them out of dried urethane or rubber belting, anything that won't hurt the glass. The guy might have chipped an edge installing the windshield and it took a while to break.
Butyl tape I believe is the best way to do it and heck it's original!
the glass guy should be warrantying his work because it leaked!!! :verymad:
Quote from: JS29 on October 09, 2017, 12:26:54 PM
the glass guy should be warrantying his work because it leaked!!! :verymad:
One of two things I paid for labor on this car and it was poor work. I'm better off not having him touch the car again.
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