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Technical Shop => Body Shop => Topic started by: 7E-Bodies on March 11, 2023, 02:37:52 PM

Title: DP Epoxy Over Lead Joints OK?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on March 11, 2023, 02:37:52 PM
I'm thinking the answer to my question is "yes". I'm following the "How to Paint a Show Car" write up by @Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) to the letter and am hoping he can chime in here. I'm not seeing anything on the PPG spec sheets that mentions lead as a bonding surface, although it mentions metal and lead is a metal. I plan on prepping the leaded areas in the same fashion as the write up depicts for the body sheet metal. My instincts say it's a go, but I want to be fully sure that nothing special needs done over lead other than the 150 grit, red scotchbrite applied SX579 (1:2 water mix) and SX520 (straight) as the article indicates. I'll wait until I hear.
Title: Re: DP Epoxy Over Lead Joints OK?
Post by: Mr Cuda on March 11, 2023, 03:25:52 PM
I believe the answer to be yes. That's what I'd do.
I actually have problems with the idea of dx 579 on areas where fluid can penetrate a crack,pinhole or joint.  I might just solvent clean and prime.
There is a school of thought to use an etch primer over lead, but the problem is, you are not supposed to apply epoxy over etch. Plus, the etch primer these days is ineffective,  with no real acid activator.
In the days before ppg had the dp series,  (yes i did bodywork back then), the etch and lacquer primer was all we had.


Title: Re: DP Epoxy Over Lead Joints OK?
Post by: tparker on March 12, 2023, 10:44:52 AM
Just for clarification, is it the original lead? I re did my roof and it was a lead free material. Probably doesn't make a difference, but maybe. I didn't do anything special but I didn't use PPG products. It seems ok but its only been a couple years. We'll see in a few more. LOL.
Title: Re: DP Epoxy Over Lead Joints OK?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on March 12, 2023, 01:22:02 PM
@tparker (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/tparker_1742) new lead. 70/30 from Eastwood.
Title: Re: DP Epoxy Over Lead Joints OK?
Post by: jimynick on March 12, 2023, 07:41:02 PM
Don't forget to wash the leaded area with thinners to remove oils and the beeswax and then wash the lead with a slurry of baking soda to prevent bleed through down the road, before getting into priming.  :cheers:
Title: Re: DP Epoxy Over Lead Joints OK?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on March 12, 2023, 07:45:27 PM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: DP Epoxy Over Lead Joints OK?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on March 13, 2023, 12:21:43 PM
Well, I just got off the phone with PPG as an added safety measure. They said bonding with lead using DP40 is fine as long as the area leaded is meticulously cleansed and neutralized (I use baking soda and water to neutralize after lead work to kill the tinning acids) and of course wax/degreaser to eliminate any tallow traces from the paddles used to apply the lead. They said after all of that, use a 1:1:1 mix of denatured or isopropyl alcohol (90% minimum strength), ammonia, and water and to keep it in the lead area and not let it run all over other bare metal surfaces, then rinse with cool water, dry and apply epoxy.
Anything additional, I'm all ears...