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Title: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 02, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
Hi All,

So I've owned my car a short while and noticed the car was blowing blue smoke on start up and the hand brake cable was stuck.  Took it too our local Classic American garage and they confirmed the worst, needs a top engine rebuild.  Also brake hoses corroded, petrol tank leaking at the level sensor and play in the drive shaft.  So it's in for some work  :(

Here are a few photo's:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1964/43161809700_77ac174571_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1911/31100870658_e5fa8a4b5d_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1967/44061604165_00b07ec4d0_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1912/44925043822_4be549f4e4_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1941/44925044942_6c0b741488_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: 6bblgt on October 02, 2018, 01:52:07 PM
 :takealook: "X" heads @kawahonda (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/kawahonda_2011)

@Mark_B (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/markb_2555) is it the original engine?  can you get some casting dates off the heads & "scheduled production date" for the car?

can't quite make out the date
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: ToxicWolf on October 02, 2018, 02:08:54 PM
Very nice. Looks just like my a66 when I started on it.   :perfect10:
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 02, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
It says 7029.  Not sure what that means?

Yes, I'm hoping it's the original engine. 
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: GY3R/T on October 02, 2018, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: Mark_B on October 02, 2018, 03:12:24 PM
It says 7029.  Not sure what that means?

Yes, I'm hoping it's the original engine.
July 2, 1969. :bigthumb:   Same date on both heads ???
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 17, 2018, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: GY3R/T on October 02, 2018, 04:45:43 PM
                 July 2, 1969. :bigthumb:   Same date on both heads ???

He put the other head on so to late.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 17, 2018, 09:11:34 AM
The engine's back together, brake hoses fitted, propshaft and steering sorted.

Just waiting on a new handbrake cable now.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1919/44474076745_5a9eb98108_b.jpg)


  And the new mid-body stripe is on  :)


(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4907/45071561045_b22f79f05b_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: dodgemania on October 17, 2018, 09:13:50 AM
looks beautiful  :bradsthumb:
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: GY3R/T on October 17, 2018, 09:46:57 AM
   Very Nice !!   :bigthumb:  What did they do to the heads ?
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: benlavigne on October 17, 2018, 01:15:13 PM
Looks good!
I like the no-R/T stripe! hate that mine looks like an R/T wannabe from a previous owner...
Ben
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 17, 2018, 01:17:53 PM
Quote from: GY3R/T on October 17, 2018, 09:46:57 AM
   Very Nice !!   :bigthumb:  What did they do to the heads ?

The heads were fine, didn't need skimming.  And valves and guides were all recent. Looks like it's had a recent engine rebuild, but who ever rebuilt it forgot to put the valve stem seals on, so the car was blowing blue smoke.

The garage said the car is rock solid and had a lot of money spent on a restoration.

When the car's finished I'm going to blow off the cob webs!

Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 17, 2018, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: benlavigne on October 17, 2018, 01:15:13 PM
I like the no-R/T stripe! hate that mine looks like an R/T wannabe from a previous owner...
Ben
Got that from Graphic-Express, they sell the stripes with no designation.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on October 17, 2018, 01:27:02 PM
That engine bay sure looks like mine!
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: 750-h2 on October 17, 2018, 02:18:49 PM
Very nice car!
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: packnsix on October 17, 2018, 03:10:21 PM
I like it, nice car!
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: bpsmopar on October 17, 2018, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: benlavigne on October 17, 2018, 01:15:13 PM
Looks good!
I like the no-R/T stripe! hate that mine looks like an R/T wannabe from a previous owner...
Ben

Ben wasn't the V9 stripe part of the A66 package?
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: GY3R/T on October 17, 2018, 05:57:55 PM
   A-66. Transverse Stripe.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: RUNCHARGER on October 17, 2018, 06:21:22 PM
Darn: So they didn't have to pull the heads, at least you have peace of mind now anyway.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 17, 2018, 11:39:24 PM
So I'll never know if the other head was the same date.

Is there another date on the block somewhere?
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: RUNCHARGER on October 18, 2018, 07:10:31 AM
Yes: The date is cast into the side of the block. Have you checked the VIN stamp on the side of the block to see if it matches the car's VIN?
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 18, 2018, 07:14:03 AM
Do you know where about's on the side please? 
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: 73_Cuda_4_Me on October 18, 2018, 11:00:44 AM
Should be on passenger's side of the block, just above oil pan, on a pad in about the middle of the engine...

Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 18, 2018, 11:01:40 AM
Great, thanks for the information  :)
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: 71383bee on October 20, 2018, 11:32:59 AM
Nice 340 Challenger!  I love the A66's.  They are a bucket list car for me.  Especially a convert! 
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 21, 2018, 11:19:45 AM
Car's all done and back home.  So good to drive! 

It sure is wide, I have to take care around the narrow country lanes in Oxfordshire, UK, they weren't designed for cars like this :).

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1918/30524180007_cd5b5a1f49_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 21, 2018, 04:18:47 PM
Congrats on getting it home !! The Chall looks Awesome too !
They are very wide cars & are fun to drive !
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 29, 2018, 10:14:13 AM
So I checked the engine number on the block and it matches the vin stamp near the cowl and vin tag on the dash. So looks like I have matching numbers car  :).  Very happy!

Thanks for helping me locate the numbers.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on October 29, 2018, 10:43:32 AM
What rear end gearing did yours come with?
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: redgum78 on October 29, 2018, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on October 17, 2018, 06:21:22 PM
Darn: So they didn't have to pull the heads, at least you have peace of mind now anyway.

That's what I was thinking too! Still better than pulling pistons.

Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 29, 2018, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: kawahonda on October 29, 2018, 10:43:32 AM
What rear end gearing did yours come with?

Not sure.  The car is a stock A66.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: js27 on October 30, 2018, 09:07:22 AM
Very nice-Looks like my old A66 car I did back in the mid 90's. I chose to put the side stripe on when I restored it. Really looks good on the EV2 paint
JS27.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 30, 2018, 11:54:12 AM
That was. Great looking car!  The stripe set it off.

Is my car EV2 Hemi Orange?  It's got a sort of metallic look to the paint.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: anlauto on October 30, 2018, 12:08:38 PM
Quote from: Mark_B on October 30, 2018, 11:54:12 AM
That was. Great looking car!  The stripe set it off.

Is my car EV2 Hemi Orange?  It's got a sort of metallic look to the paint.

YES EV2 is Hemi-orange or Tor-Red as Plymouth called it, and yes it should have gold metallic in it. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on October 30, 2018, 01:46:44 PM
Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on January 13, 2019, 11:53:04 AM
Decided I'm not that keen on the standard argent silver grill.  So thought time to paint it satin black.

So masked of the lamp surrounds, primered and finished in black smooth Hammerite.  Thought Hammerite might give better protection against stone chips.

The Grill is a pain to get out and the front bumper was not shifting, so did it in situ.

So today 3 Coats of primered, then 4 coats of Hycote Bodyshop satin black lacquer.


Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: dodj on January 13, 2019, 12:02:05 PM
Looks good!  :ohyeah:

What does the designation A66 get you? Nothing jumps out at me as any different than any other Challenger?  :thinking:
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
I prefer the argent grill. It's amazing what a nice spray of WD-40 would do to it (not sure if you tried this before painting)...it darkens it and really makes it look pretty.

@dodj (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/dodj_816)  A66 is a factory performance package. A66's are basically R/T cars (HD drums, heavier torsion bars, ralleye hood, etc) with the all-mighty 340. The only thing they lack compared to the R/T is the ralleye dash, R/T badges, and black colored grill. They are becoming, if not already, highly collectable...probably just as collectable as the R/Ts. It's a car you do not want to change much. Some actually prefer the A66s to the R/Ts due to the better balance of the 340 vs a 383.

They came factory with argent grills, R/T hoods, bumblebee stripe, and scat-pack stickers.

I am not a fan of turning A66 cars into R/Ts. A66s are special in their own right.

Mark, I do love your challenger. Our engine bays look near identical. If you ever want to further "stock-ify" it, let me know and I can post some pics. Greatly following your thread!

Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on January 13, 2019, 12:34:22 PM
Thanks for your comments.

Maybe in the States the A66 is known, but not over here in the UK.  People haven't even heard of a Challenger, let alone an R/T.  My car is all original and matching numbers, but it has been restored. I know what you mean about originality, but I've done that for the last 20 years with my previous classic cars and after a while it can be a bit restraining and dull.  I want to keep my car original mechanically as possible but I want it to look as fast as it goes!  Maybe a future Owner can return the grill to argent silver, I doubt it would take much.

My other car is a 69 Mach 1 and is an original matching numbers car, no rust, no welding, original paint.  That's staying as is.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: RUNCHARGER on January 13, 2019, 12:49:01 PM
I like the black better as well.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 12:50:14 PM
I actually LOVE the restraint! I wouldn't want it any different. I had an "unrestrained" car once....a 65 Ford Galaxie with a 390. Nothing special at all, but very easy to modify and make your own. It's very easy to spend money on those types of cars....

There's still plenty to spend on when you're keeping something original. Gives you more left over money to drive and enjoy it....I didn't get that chance with the Galaxie because it was all money and time, and no play when I reached the end.

btw, I'm not going "fully" original...only in appareance only. I have no problem switching out rear end gearing, wheels, and doing some performance mods..but I keep it hidden.

The Mach 1 is a cool car. The A66 is a cool car too-the A66 is actually way more rare based on the production numbers alone. :)

What's in the Mach 1? FE engine?
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on January 13, 2019, 01:03:45 PM
Quote from: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 12:50:14 PM
What's in the Mach 1? FE engine?

A 351W 4 barrel.  It's a genuine California survivor car, they do exist.  Has been locked up most of it's life and rarely driven.  Has done low miles and still feels nearly new.  In the years I've owned it it's costing me almost nothing as it all still works.  I changed the wheels to Magnums but that's about it.

Here it is:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1875/43788492534_70680f2a3c_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 01:04:01 PM
I pulled my A66 out because of this thread to get some pictures of an "aged" Argent Grille that was sprayed with WD-40 5 months ago. In many cases it comes off "black" if sun isn't on it. Only when direct sunlight is on it it appears that it's argent. I really like it.

Ah, not an FE, but a Windsor engine. Looks like a keeper. IMO, the only "real" muscle Mustang that ford built. Between your A66 and your Mach 1, which car would win in a race?


You can see that i'm missing a vertical "strip" on my grille....I need to get a piece 3D printed to fill it in.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on January 13, 2019, 01:16:40 PM
Quote from: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 01:04:01 PM
Between your A66 and your Mach 1, which car would win in a race?

Wow Nice looking car!!  Especially the top photo.

It would be the Challenger, as I've just given it a top engine rebuild and I don't have to worry about it.  I'd thrash the hell out of it.

The Mach 1's FMX probably needs a rebuild some day so I'd take it easy with that one.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 01:28:43 PM
Thanks! Representing the A66!

Ahh...my Galaxie had the FMX transmission. I think it was originally from a truck as I don't think the 65' Galaxie came with the FMX.

I threw a shift kit in it, didn't rebuild it, and it seemed to have held up. But I only put on 300 miles on it before I sold it for a car to get me through school! :)

Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on January 13, 2019, 01:34:44 PM
Yes, the FMX is a piece of crap, but they seem to like them in the 60s.  Much preferred my C4 in my old 72 Mustang.

Any pics of the 65' Galaxie?
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 03:24:09 PM
Yep!
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: dodj on January 13, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
Some actually prefer the A66s to the R/Ts due to the better balance of the 340 vs a 383.
Last hijack question....You couldn't get a 340 R/T?

I prefer your grille black Mark. Ultimately you could go back to argent if you decide to go the originality route.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 05:05:09 PM
Quote from: dodj on January 13, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
Some actually prefer the A66s to the R/Ts due to the better balance of the 340 vs a 383.
Last hijack question....You couldn't get a 340 R/T?

I prefer your grille black Mark. Ultimately you could go back to argent if you decide to go the originality route.

No. R/T was 383 and above.

The A66 IS an R/T without the badges and the big block. That's how I explain it. You don't need RT badges to be cool!
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on January 18, 2019, 01:58:19 PM
Superb looking Galaxy and love the color!  Thanks for sharing.

What are those wheels?  Outlaws?
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: 318Stroker on January 18, 2019, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 05:05:09 PM
Quote from: dodj on January 13, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
Quote from: kawahonda on January 13, 2019, 12:05:32 PM
Some actually prefer the A66s to the R/Ts due to the better balance of the 340 vs a 383.
Last hijack question....You couldn't get a 340 R/T?

I prefer your grille black Mark. Ultimately you could go back to argent if you decide to go the originality route.

No. R/T was 383 and above.

The A66 IS an R/T without the badges and the big block. That's how I explain it. You don't need RT badges to be cool!

You could get an R/T with a 340 in 1971, but not 1970.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: jimynick on January 18, 2019, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: benlavigne on October 17, 2018, 01:15:13 PM
Looks good!
I like the no-R/T stripe! hate that mine looks like an R/T wannabe from a previous owner...
Ben
Hey Ben, I'll send you a couple of single sided razor blades, just PM me the address!  :))
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: jimynick on January 18, 2019, 02:11:11 PM
Great looking car, but judging by the colour of the valves, you might be running it on coal? It's got to be way rich to be carboned up that much, but the leaking oil wouldn't help the situation much either. Teasing aside, good luck with it and enjoy it as much as possible!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: Mark_B on January 18, 2019, 02:19:24 PM
Thanks for the info.  I'm hoping is running leaner now.  The valve stem seals were missing, maybe that contributed to it.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: ragtopdodge on January 18, 2019, 04:07:24 PM
Nice car and repairs relatively minor in the grand scheme of things.


Too bad you didn't paint the engine while it was all apart.
Title: Re: Mark B's Challenger 340 A66
Post by: kawahonda on January 18, 2019, 06:01:30 PM
Quote from: Mark_B on January 18, 2019, 01:58:19 PM
Superb looking Galaxy and love the color!  Thanks for sharing.

What are those wheels?  Outlaws?

Centerline racing. Can't get them anymore I think.