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Technical Shop => Exhaust => Topic started by: Husk Challenger on July 14, 2018, 09:44:46 AM

Title: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Husk Challenger on July 14, 2018, 09:44:46 AM
Hi guys,

I would like to change the exhaust manifold gasket because sometimes it smells a lot gazes into the car while driving.

What reference would you recommend for a 383 engine with HP manifold?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Topcat on July 14, 2018, 10:08:14 AM
I used SCE gaskets.

A little high temp silicone.

Leak free now over 2 years.

Do not use Fel Pro.   :thumbdown:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sce-4064
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: halftrackman on July 14, 2018, 02:19:13 PM
Also check out the heat riser, on the exhaust manifold.  They will leak exhaust .   I sure would like to visit Normandy A lot of history there.   
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Topcat on July 14, 2018, 04:05:09 PM
@Husk Challenger (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/husk-challenger_98)

Big game tomorrow.

Good luck!  :france:
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: RUNCHARGER on July 14, 2018, 06:12:25 PM
I don't use gaskets between the manifold and the head. I think that is one reason why some manifolds crack.
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Husk Challenger on July 14, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
Thanks for the answers!

@Topcat (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/topcat_46) ! Thanks...interesting game, let s the result.

@halftrackman (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/halftrackman_2112)  yeah for sure! You can spend two weeks here and still have things to visit

@RUNCHARGER (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/runcharger_192)  no gasket? Do you put something else to avoid gazs leaks? Silicone or something else?
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on July 14, 2018, 08:15:48 PM
When they were built Mopar didn't use gaskets, as long as the manifolds are flat they don't leak.... Heat risers can have issues & the manifold to head pipe flange is known to leak....  Usually the head pipe gasket fails because the pipe flange warps....
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Husk Challenger on July 15, 2018, 11:06:46 AM
Thanks for the information!

I think it won't be a easy fix for me...  :bricks:
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: RUNCHARGER on July 15, 2018, 01:30:36 PM
Look for black soot as a clue to where it is leaking. I have even stuck my hand near everything (carefully of course) to feel for air blowing too.
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Husk Challenger on July 15, 2018, 01:41:32 PM
Yes sheldon, i took some picture but for the moment didn t see anything wrong.

I will try engine on!
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Husk Challenger on July 15, 2018, 01:44:26 PM
By looking the picture 1 and 4 i m guessing if it isn't black soot on the orange of the block?  :thinking:
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Topcat on July 15, 2018, 09:56:13 PM
Well your team won today. Congrats.   :slapme5:

I have to disagree that exhaust manifolds don't need gaskets.
But it depends on the type of gasket material used.

The SCE are a compressible Copper gasket with ridges to add extra sealing.
The benefit is they don't break down and burn out like old style designed manifold gaskets do. 

To me that equates to being a cushion, reducing vibrations that would be the reasons for manifolds tending to crack.

Manifolds are alloyed I believe with Silicone from what I remember.   

OEM 40 year old manifolds cracking? I can see that.
Now? Not as likely. Technology has improved. 
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Burdar on July 16, 2018, 06:14:00 AM
The factory never used gaskets.  Both surfaces were machined flat and they sealed just fine.  Manifolds can be resurfaced if they aren't flat but it's cheaper to just put a gasket in there.  On my small block, I just put a thin layer of high temp silicone on the matting surfaces with no gaskets.

Use a mechanics stethoscope to find your exhaust leak.  I heard an exhaust leak and thought I had a cracked manifold. I used a stethoscope and found the problem in 30 seconds.  The heat riser shaft was leaking.
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Chryco Psycho on July 16, 2018, 08:33:46 AM
 :iagree:
I never use gaskets with the factory iron manifolds , if you want to create a leak use a gasket !
Like Burdar  I often put a thin layer of high heat / copper silicone though
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Husk Challenger on July 16, 2018, 09:16:50 AM
Thanks for the answers guys!

Welle i have to uninstall them to see how they look i guess!

Sorry but what do you call the heat riser shaft?
Is it what is visible on the picture ? Manifold on the passznger side
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Burdar on July 16, 2018, 09:20:59 AM
The passengers side manifold has a shaft with a flapper valve on it down where the exhaust pipe attaches.  This flapper is closed when the engine is cold which forces exhaust gasses through the bottom of the intake and over to the drivers side.  This aids in engine warm up.  Over the years, the shaft can wear and cause an exhaust leak.
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: RUNCHARGER on July 16, 2018, 09:30:57 AM
Husk: You see where that pin is coming out the side of the manifold? Near that is a shaft that runs across the manifold and it has a flapper valve inside. Quite often the shaft wears there and exhaust gas leaks out around it. There should be soot there if it is leaking.
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Husk Challenger on July 16, 2018, 09:34:17 AM
Thanks guys!

Now it s clear!

How do you fix it if the leak comes from there?
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Chryco Psycho on July 26, 2018, 07:56:33 AM
There should be a shaft that goes across the opening in the manifold that will rotate or used to but it may have already been removed , the pin visable is where the spring pulls against to keep the valve closed when cold
Title: Re: Exhaust manifold Gasket
Post by: Husk Challenger on July 26, 2018, 10:30:55 AM
Thanks Chryco!