Hey everybody. Im sure you have probably seen pics of this car floating around on the web as a part of a 5 car collection that just came out of Arizona. Im helping the heirs of the estate with the car and its been really tough to find comps for the car in its condition and options.
The estate is basically accepting bids on the car and will decide when it feels right (which will probably be soon)
I would love some insight from folks much more in the know than I am so this man's widow gets what she deserves.
Let me know what info you need and I will be happy to provide. I have posted some video on YouTube if you search "carchaeology".
Thanks in advance for the help!
4 spd D21 or Auto D32 ?
I agree Randy, hard to put a value on a project car like that...I would guess $100K-$125K would be a start...A solid investment still knowing it needs a full restoration... :twothumbsup: Good luck with your sale, and be sure to let us know what it sells for....
Thanks for posting the links to the videos...I am new to the forum and wasn't sure how to do that.
Im a lifetime car guy, but I will admit openly that I am no Mopar expert by far, but I know a good solid original car when I see one, and this sure seems to be a rare beast. Guidebook values are no help as they dont seem to match the sort of offers we have gotten so far, and I just have a feeling it may be more valuable than I initially thought.
I saw that there was another 71 Hemi Challenger that was on ebay several years ago, an automatic, low miles and preserved far better than this one, but it still had its issues. I could not find the results of the auction anywhere but at one point it was somewhere around 120k with 6 days left on the auction!
So Ive just got to dig deeper and see what this one is all about.
I'm thinking now I might be a little light....I guess you could take the asking price of one fully restored and subtract $75K-$100K to cover the cost of a proper full ground up restoration....that might be more accurate.....
Wouldn't a trip on EBay or even one of the large auction houses, pretty quickly tell you what the current market is willing to pay ?
remarkable car! :wowzers: someone will (OVER) pay for the privilege of restoring an unmolested car of this caliber that has not been thru prior restoration attempts
I didn't watch all the videos nor read any of the comments, but broadcast sheets are often found behind the bucket seat backs, under the bottom cushions, under the carpet & behind the glove box.
Ive looked for the broadcast sheets and have had no luck, but all the numbers line up and its matching numbers all the way through. Original paint, interior, etc... sun cooked, but there.
Ebay might be the way to go...just let folks battle it out. Ill discuss this with the family and see what they think.
As a '71 Challenger fan, I'd concur with the estimates of $100-125K, though with only 59 4-speed '71 Hemi Challengers produced for the US market, the right person might pay a lot more for the right to restore this car.
#s matching engine and trans are a huge plus, as is the relatively rust-free condition (do any hardtop Challengers not rust at the base of the backlite?)
Wow you dont see cars like this ever. I'm loving all these cool hemis and V codes coming out right now
I've been the executor of two estates in the last 5 years, IMHO in addition to having sealed bids go to you (which I think is a great idea) I would also reach out personally to some of the big dogs in the hobby to be sure the word gets out on this car. More than likely with posts on here and elsewhere it already has, but it never hurts to cover as many bases as possible.
Here are a few I would try for openers-
http://www.wellbornmusclecarmuseum.com/
http://www.rogergibsonautorestoration.com/Frank/Frank-Badalson-About-Us/
https://www.mmcdetroit.com/about/About.html
http://galengovier.com/
https://www.cudaclub426.com/
As far as value of the car, is it safe to say it's worth $300-350k fully restored? So deduct 150k for a top-flight Roger Gibson type resto and you might be around 150-200k for the car.
It's a very rare car and looks to be a great starting point, but at a quick glance it also lacks some of the most desirable options like a shaker hood, elastomeric bumpers, and rear window louvers which I think would put the car more towards the top of the heap.
If you haven't already, google '71 Hemi Challenger Mecum' for some more examples that exist.
Best of luck with the sale, what a great collection of cars!
:iagree: excellent advice.
:thinking: Or you could go straight to the top and contact Charlie Lillard and or Kevin Oeste ... who are kind of the "faces" of the enigmatic The Brothers Collection.
Quote from: RzeroB on August 28, 2020, 01:46:53 PM
:thinking: Or you could go straight to the top and contact Charlie Lillard and or Kevin Oeste ... who are kind of the "faces" of the enigmatic The Brothers Collection.
Or not, and let everyone else have a chance to buy it. Maybe someone here on the board?
Thanks so much for the info. Interest in the car has been strong and already Ive got bids over $100k, so I know its going in the right direction. Will be curious to see how it ends up.
If any of you know anyone that might be a serious player for it, please have them contact me via email at bugnbox@earthlink.net
Can't be many if any other '71 hemi with the wide hood trim.
If I had the money, I would send it to Mike Ross At BE/A. I own a small collision shop, But I don't have the equipment or the resources To do a car like that the way he can. :no:
Great car but not for me. To me it's no good as it is but it must be restored to the ultimate as delivered condition which would render it not suitable for driving. So I'm sure it will be off to a museum to be enjoyed by viewing only.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on August 29, 2020, 08:01:49 AM
Great car but not for me. To me it's no good as it is but it must be restored to the ultimate as delivered condition which would render it not suitable for driving. So I'm sure it will be off to a museum to be enjoyed by viewing only.
I agree with you. I've given more than a bit of thought to this car, and IMHO, it's just a bit too far gone for the patina look, which means that it really deserves an OE Gold type of restoration.
Otherwise, repairing the filler panel, slapping on a fresh vinyl roof and putting in some used '71 buckets would certainly help with the acceptability.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Next some one going to label it as a "survivor" :rofl: :rofl:
I'd take the $100k offered and run.......
Is this car really worth >$200k restored?
Quote from: anlauto on August 29, 2020, 08:27:54 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Next some one going to label it as a "survivor" :rofl: :rofl:
Well, the Titanic survived.....on the bottom of the Atlantic.....
70% original exterior paint is one of the parameters I think, So many service replacement parts to keep it running is another. It's a Corvette thing....
wish I had a very understanding wife and some extra cash laying around for that... that is a great find..
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on August 29, 2020, 02:26:35 PM
70% original exterior paint is one of the parameters I think, So many service replacement parts to keep it running is another. It's a Corvette thing....
Remember when the "Corvette guys" were trying to stop other people from using the word survivor... :rofl: :rofl: :crazytalk:
A nice UPDATED video added :twothumbsup:
Quote from: Katfish on August 29, 2020, 09:53:59 AM
I'd take the $100k offered and run.......
Is this car really worth >$200k restored?
IMO yeah, I think even the rebodies are fetching that...
Very cool car :inlove: but depending on price might be the long, expensive way to own a restored 71 Hemi Challenger. :alan2cents:
I have been quiet up to this point. It is a legit, numbers matching car. You can say what you want about the condition, but it is one of the most honest, straight-forward cars I have ever seen in person. 1 of 59 any way you slice it.
It will wind up with a good home, but sadly, it won't be mine. I will always be grateful to lay hands on a real R code car.
Cars of this caliber are few and far between.
That car should be preserved as much as is reasonable, and enjoyed.
@bugnbox (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/bugnbox_8393) knows I tried like hell to move mountains. Wasn't in the cards...this time.
Anyone on these forums would be happy to wind up with this car. Top shelf car.
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) out here in the dry climate, you would be beyond jealous at how solid that car is. Factory undercoating too!
Well the bidding got a little hot today and one offer well above the rest came in and the heirs of the estate went for it!
I must be honest, it went a lot farther than I expected going into this project, which is a very good thing. Its found a good home and will get the attention it deserves and Mark's widow will be a little more comfortable in her remaining years.
It is staying in the US and the new owner is very deep into the scene. I'll let him make the announcement if he cares to, and I wont disclose the sales price, but based on everyones input here it definitely brought the money it should have.
Two Chargers left in the collection that will be available soon. (if anyone is interested)
Thank you all for your input and HUGE thanks to Shane (69CudaFan) for coming out to check it out in person and help school me on things. Im bummed he didnt end up with it, but in the end I guess it went down the way it was supposed to.
Well that was anti-climatic...I hope at some point we'll find out what it sold for....It's nice to throw out opinions, but it's nicer when they're based on actual sale prices. I wonder now who bought it :thinking:
I hope the car gets the full ground up restoration it deserves. :fingerscrossed:
I know...everyone always hangs on the numbers (just like those TV shows...in which all numbers are BS). I will say it may or may not have gone north of a buck and a quarter .... for those that want something to ponder ;).
So in the end it was solid money for the estate which was the goal. There were a lot of vultures on the fence when Mark passed away, he would have hated it if someone stole it or paid pennies on the dollar rather than his honey reaping the full benefit of his tight hold on the thing all these years.
What a minute.....haven't I seen you co-hosting one of those shows....What's my car Worth ? or something like that ... :thinking: :D
...all done...
:rofl: except this is an automatic version... https://www.legendarymotorcar.com/inventory/1971-dodge-challenger-rt-hemi-2107.aspx
anlauto Yup...you got me. I was one of the appraisers on Sticker Shock. Thats actually a part of the reason I got involved with the estate.
Quote from: bugnbox on August 31, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
anlauto Yup...you got me. I was one of the appraisers on Sticker Shock. Thats actually a part of the reason I got involved with the estate.
I actually enjoyed the show very much...nice eclectic collection of cars and there weird owners.. :bigthumb:
My name is Alan, by the way.... www.alangallantautomotiverestoration.com sorry no TV shows though :haha:
Here's some history https://forum.e-bodies.org/your-restoration-project-roseville-moparts/10/a-g-a-r-celebrating-50/17495/
It was a good show, we really had a blast doing it. Its a shame it didnt get picked up for more seasons, but I guess we didnt get mad enough and throw chairs around or do endless donuts while screaming out the windows...
Oh well...my 15 minutes of fame I guess.
Nice work Alan! Looks like you have a good thing going on there!
Not sure if they are on this website but if anyone is on instagram, mopars5150 on instagram bought this car i believe. They have been posting it and pics. I believe they are mostly car flippers and mostly chargers. Quick restos and buff and shines to sell. We'll see what they do with this one. They also take cars with mostly a VIN left and a lot of AMD sheetmetal and put them back together. No offense (none at all) to them as they are saving Mopars and seem to have a great network to find these cars all over the country.
Not sure what they will do with this one, but I would assume it will hit the market soon. Hopefully it is well represented!
True,
Troy from Mopars5150 is buying the car. From what he told me personally is that this is not a car that he plans to re-sell and initially the goal is preservation rather than restoration. Time will tell of course, and he can do what he pleased with it, but it is staying in California and he is extremely excited about it (and was not shy with his offer!)
The plan is for him to pick it up this weekend. The heirs of the estate will be here as well and it should be a very fun exchange...the passing of the torch and sharing of the stories. If I can document it to share, I certainly will.
Two cars remain to be sold. The 69 Charger 500 and 69 Charger R/T which are being prepped now.
Late next week we return to the house to do a final search for any of the original parts for the cars, and to discuss a couple other vehicles on the property...so Ill have more details after that.