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Title: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on June 02, 2021, 09:45:32 AM
Hi
I'm trying the reproduce the clock reset assembly for a standard dash for a 70-71 e-Body.
With the help of this forum, I got all the correct measurement. A friend helped me with the first prototype.
It came out very good as you can see on the picture. I'm struggling with the small thread on the small pin.
Can anybody find out what kind of thread this is? I thought it is a 1-72 UNF? But I have no idea is this correct or not.  :dunno:
The reset knob on the rally dash have the same size there.
As I'm in Switzerland, I don't have the tools here to check the correct thread.
I hope anybody can help me.
Thank you in advance.
Daniel
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: SgtSuperbird on June 02, 2021, 11:19:25 AM
I can't help you, but very nice work!
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: gzig5 on June 02, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
I have the large outer sleeve in my dash but am missing the knob and inner shaft.  I assume the thread goes into the smaller sleeve shown which acts as a nut in order to hold the shaft in the knob, and thus the knob in the outer sleeve?

Do you have a micrometor or caliper to measure thread diameter?  Using some magnification, you can count the number of threads over .250" length and multiply x4 to get the approximate TPI.  You may try taking it to a clock or watch repair shop and they may have the proper thread pitch gages.  I don't think that Switzerland has always been a metric country, until the late 1870's. 
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on June 03, 2021, 07:34:40 AM
Ok, I got a TPI of 40. What is TPI?
The caliper shows me 2mm which is 0.0787" I beleve.

Well, since I'm on the earth, we have meters :D
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: gzig5 on June 03, 2021, 07:51:25 AM
Quote from: elan71 on June 03, 2021, 07:34:40 AM
Ok, I got a TPI of 40. What is TPI?
The caliper shows me 2mm which is 0.0787" I beleve.

Well, since I'm on the earth, we have meters :D
TPI means "threads per inch" .  40 TPI is equivalent to 0.64mm pitch
I was going to guess 4-40 size but the examples I have measure 0.110" diameter. 

The diameter you give is similar to a 1-64 but the thread pitch if correct, doesn't match. It could be a custom dimension.
This chart gives some dimensions of the standard screw threads.  http://www.carbidedepot.com/formulas-tap-standard.htm

Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: anlauto on June 03, 2021, 07:51:33 AM
TPI = Threads per inch

Dam 0.08 too late  :pullinghair: :haha:
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Skdmark on June 03, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
1-64UNC and 1-72UNF have the same major diameter.
72 TPI = pitch of 0.01389in or 0.352mm (spacing between center of the thread crests)

I believe the threads are also the same on Rallye gauges too. If you can wait until Saturday I can check mine.



Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on June 03, 2021, 01:38:20 PM
Thank you for all the answers. I learn every day something more. Cool.
Everything is very small, difficult to count the thread crests...
@Skdmark (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/skdmark_284) Yes, Ralley gauges have the same thread there. I'm not under pressure, waiting some days is absolutely no problem.
Looking forward to find the solution here.
Thank you all again!!
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on June 08, 2021, 06:35:40 AM
@Skdmark (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/skdmark_284)  have you found the time to check it on your car? Would be great.
Thank you in advance
Daniel
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Skdmark on June 08, 2021, 07:55:09 AM
@elan71 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/elan71_9033)
I took the nut from the rest knob to the hardware store to confirm the size on Sunday. Unfortunately they only went down to 4-40 / 4-48 with their inventory. I plan on making a trip to a hobby store this week and I will try there as they carry hardware for model railroaders. At this point it's just confirming the pitch of 72 TPI vs 64 TPI. My thread pitch gauge only goes down to 48 TPI as well.

I'm fairly confident it is 1-72 UNF just need to get a final confirmation for you.
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on June 08, 2021, 08:33:55 AM
@Skdmark (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/skdmark_284) ,
Sounds great!
1-72UNF was my tough too, but I'm not sure.
Thank you for your help!
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Skdmark on June 14, 2021, 04:44:11 PM
@elan71 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/elan71_9033)
Made a trip to the hobby store and picked up some 1-72 UNF brass nuts.
They thread right onto my original rallye speedometer trip meter.

When I tried them on the reproduction reset cable for the rallye clock they were a bit tight.
I'm thinking the lead threads on the repro cable have a burr on them from when the flats are machined on the threaded portion.

So the thread on the stem should be a 1-72UNF
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on June 14, 2021, 10:47:14 PM
@Skdmark (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/skdmark_284)     Thank you very much for the additional effort, support and confirmation.!!  :bigthumb:
This is very helpful and I can make the correct thread on the reproduction.

I keep you all infomred about the process.

Thank you all for the support again.

Daniel
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on June 24, 2021, 11:08:53 PM
Now I got around to installing the prototype.
Unlike other photos I have found here, the unit disappears almost completely in the dashboard. Only the button looks out.
This is actually quite good, especially if you have a radio installed. The button disturbs so much less. The function is perfect.
I followed the measurements here from the forum.
My question now, is this factory correct? How was it from the factory?
Are there other examples I may see?
I want to be sure it is as it was from the factory.

Daniel
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Rdchallenger on June 25, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: elan71 on June 24, 2021, 11:08:53 PM
Now I got around to installing the prototype.
Unlike other photos I have found here, the unit disappears almost completely in the dashboard. Only the button looks out.
This is actually quite good, especially if you have a radio installed. The button disturbs so much less. The function is perfect.
I followed the measurements here from the forum.
My question now, is this factory correct? How was it from the factory?
Are there other examples I may see?
I want to be sure it is as it was from the factory.

Daniel

Who cares if it's correct! It's awesome and fills that dead gauge nicely. I may have to get one.
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Jay Bee on June 25, 2021, 01:39:30 PM
Here's the only picture I could find (so far) of my car's standard dash before converting to a rallye. It's hard to tell how far down the chrome knob is and whether any of the barrel/housing is sticking out from the bezel. IIRC some of the housing was showing below the bezel, but don't quote me.
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Jay Bee on July 08, 2021, 07:16:58 AM
Taken from an eBay ad (& lightened up). You can kind of see how far the barrel sticks out from the bezel. It's a hi res pic so download for a better view.
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on July 12, 2021, 05:11:06 AM
Thank you all for the pictures.
I keep it as it is. Looks like the length is correct.
It looks good and is easy to use. Assembling is a little harder, but you have to do this only once.
Next step is in process and I'll check all the costs and possibilities.

Daniel
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: truckinman466 on August 21, 2021, 08:50:29 AM
I'd buy one if you and your friend want to make another. I'm probably not the only one looking for one.
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Skdmark on August 25, 2021, 08:09:59 PM
From my 71 Barracuda for your reference.
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on August 26, 2021, 06:44:27 AM
Thank you for the picture.
In my car the part looks less far out. I have taken the mass here from the forum. But it works great. The view of the radio is also better when it is a little higher.
I hope to have more soon.
I let you all know this here.

Daniel
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on October 26, 2021, 05:08:03 AM
Hi
It took a while, but now they are here. The first samples from the first production. They are still being galvanized.
The pin still needs some adjustment but it comes good. It will not take so long....
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: truckinman466 on October 28, 2021, 04:45:39 AM
I'll definitely take one. Leet me know
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on May 03, 2022, 05:50:03 AM
Hi
Now it's finished and ready to sell.
It took a while but it is very nice now.
You can find it on ebay:
https://www.ebay.ch/itm/185411584501 (https://www.ebay.ch/itm/185411584501)

Daniel
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Jay Bee on May 03, 2022, 07:21:37 AM
Swiss made, you know it's going to be a quality item.  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: 6bblgt on May 03, 2022, 09:22:01 AM
@elan71 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/elan71_9033)   to ease logistics, you should find someone in the US to act as a distributor for you  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on May 03, 2022, 10:40:54 AM
Yes, I tried, but nobody was interested.
Well, one was, but we couldn't find a deal, unfortunately.
But I'm still open for an interesting deal...  ;)

Logistic is not a big thing, luckfully. Just a small package....
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: Jay Bee on September 12, 2023, 05:28:40 PM
@elan71 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/elan71_9033)  yesterday afternoon I posted this thread and your eBay ad on FEBO because someone there was looking for that reset. You still had 2 then, today you're out of stock. I hope that publicity helped. Just curious, will you be making more?
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on September 12, 2023, 09:56:03 PM
@Jay Bee (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/jay-bee_351) Yes, this was very nice. Thank you very much!!
Yes sure, I will make some more...
:)
Title: Re: Clock reset assembly standard dash
Post by: elan71 on September 13, 2023, 11:09:51 PM
Hi
You can find it now on eBay again:
https://www.ebay.ch/itm/186079139682 (https://www.ebay.ch/itm/186079139682)
Please let me know if you have any questions.

Greetings from Switzerland
Daniel