Here is my swap. For my 1970 Challenger convertiible. I got a 6.1 Hemi with a NAG1 from a 2006 Charger. I also got the harness (but I got a new one from Hotwire), computers, shifter, gas pedal from the car. First I was gonna use my 727, but I changed my mind and went with the NAG1. I ordered most of the parts from Bouchillion, harness and programming from Hotwire Auto, gastank and pump from Tanks Inc. Here is a list of the parts I ordered.
• Milodon oil pan
• Milodon oil pickup
• Milodon Dipstick w. tube
• Griffin radiator with 2 fans
• Upper and lower radiator hoses
• TTI engine mounts
• TTI ceramic coated headers fitting Hemi/727/T-bars
• Oil filter adapter
• Oil filter short
• Fittings for AC compressor
• Power steering pump with reservoir
• Cold Air kit
• Serpentine belt
• Air Charge Sensor
• GPA-4 - High Flow Fuel Pump Module
• Fuel Tank Sending Unit
• 24" Strap Liner
• Dodge Challenger Fuel Injection Gas Tank
• Challenger Gas Tank Straps
• Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator with Gauge
• NAG1 tone ring and 2 speed sensors
• Harness Hotwire Auto
Has anyone put a total cost on what the parts cost to make a swap like this?
The swap progess is slow since I got the car in 2k epoxy now and adding body reinforcements and will change the trunk floor and fix some bad patches. I got the Milodon pan on the engine though, I got the wrong oil pickup, so I cut it and reclocked it so it fitted. Next step is cleaning the block and paint it. First pict is the wrong fit of the oil pickup (got one that fits a 2009 and up 5.7). Next pict is the fix.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 04, 2017, 01:11:36 PM
Has anyone put a total cost on what the parts cost to make a swap like this?
For me, (the parts I listed so far):
Bouchillion: $3952
Tanks Inc: $680
Hotwire Auto: $2409
Correction: The Bouchillion order also has the stuff to run a 727 tranny in the price, flexplate, kickdown wire etc. I did not list those since I sold them, so take about 200 off that price.
All including shipping (US shipping, to a friend in WA who ships to me in container)
There will be some more stuff later, I'm sure. Forgot to buy sparkplugs, need AC hoses etc.
What's a donor engine go for? Are they pretty easy to find?
Quote from: soundcontrol on March 04, 2017, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 04, 2017, 01:11:36 PM
Has anyone put a total cost on what the parts cost to make a swap like this?
For me, (the parts I listed so far):
Bouchillion: $3952
Tanks Inc: $680
Hotwire Auto: $2409
All including shipping (US shipping, to a friend in WA who ships to me in container)
There will be some more stuff later, I'm sure. Forgot to buy sparkplugs, need AC hoses etc.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on March 04, 2017, 01:38:24 PM
What's a donor engine go for? Are they pretty easy to find?
6.1's, 4-7000 depending on the milage, tranny etc. There is a few on e-bay. You can find a 5.7 cheaper.
I just bought a 5.7 for $2700 with harness and computer. For my next car. Thats a good deal here in Sweden.
We usually have 30-40% higher prices than you.
where did you get your oil filter adapter from? Was it a 45 degree angle one?
Quote from: mauls on June 22, 2017, 07:07:18 PM
where did you get your oil filter adapter from? Was it a 45 degree angle one?
The filter with/without an adapter will not fit with a k-member. If your running a tubular type, then it will fit.
@MoparDave (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mopardave_10) can get you an adapter.
Best route in not an adapter but use a block off plate & route hoses from the side of the block out to a remote filter set up
Quote from: 303 Mopar on June 22, 2017, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: mauls on June 22, 2017, 07:07:18 PM
where did you get your oil filter adapter from? Was it a 45 degree angle one?
The filter with/without an adapter will not fit with a k-member. If your running a tubular type, then it will fit. @MoparDave (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mopardave_10) can get you an adapter.
Thanks, I'll probably run the factory K member at first, then as funds open up, switch to the alterkation setup.
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on June 22, 2017, 07:21:27 PM
Best route in not an adapter but use a block off plate & route hoses from the side of the block out to a remote filter set up
That might help make oil changes a breeze also
Quote from: mauls on June 22, 2017, 07:07:18 PM
where did you get your oil filter adapter from? Was it a 45 degree angle one?
Yes, a 45 degree adapter, it will fit the stock K-member with a slight mod. and a short filter.
I got it from Bouchillion.
:popcorn:
Here is the cut that needs to be made to clear the K-frame
Quote from: soundcontrol on June 24, 2017, 02:22:14 AM
Here is the cut that needs to be made to clear the K-frame
We did the same mod believing the same mis information , we had to trim the entire lip off the adapter , the K frame still hit the filter & the filter was not removable without undoing the engine mount & lifting the engine .
Trust me this will not work , use a block off plate , if you have not cut the adapter don't just return it .
Mauls ... Please Drive a car with the Alterkation mod before converting to it
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on June 30, 2017, 05:40:29 PM
Mauls ... Please Drive a car with the Alterkation mod before converting to it
Guess I'm not the only one who's not impressed... Lotta money to go backwards...
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on June 30, 2017, 05:40:29 PM
Quote from: soundcontrol on June 24, 2017, 02:22:14 AM
Here is the cut that needs to be made to clear the K-frame
We did the same mod believing the same mis information , we had to trim the entire lip off the adapter , the K frame still hit the filter & the filter was not removable without undoing the engine mount & lifting the engine .
Trust me this will not work , use a block off plate , if you have not cut the adapter don't just return it .
Mauls ... Please Drive a car with the Alterkation mod before converting to it
Hmm, I just went with the information I read in the Hot Rod Magazine article when I ordered all my swap stuff, but I have seen many others do the same thing, using a shorter filter. Can't return stuff since I'm in Sweden, have to try it out anyways, if it don't fit I guess I'll order the other kit then.
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on June 30, 2017, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on June 30, 2017, 05:40:29 PM
Mauls ... Please Drive a car with the Alterkation mod before converting to it
Guess I'm not the only one who's not impressed... Lotta money to go backwards...
I never saw a reason to go that route. New arms, coilovers, and a rack doesn't automatically mean "better", to me. It's flashy, but there is little performance justification on their site.
the front rack steering has never been sorted out for a Mopar
I believe AlterK uses Pinto parts
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on July 01, 2017, 08:26:41 AM
the front rack steering has never been sorted out for a Mopar
I believe AlterK uses Pinto parts
Oh be nice... It's Mustang II...... But wait... The Pinto came out four years before the Mustang II & has the same suspension... So is it a Pinto? Nah, Mustang II sounds cooler..... :haha: :haha:
I've worked on/driven two... they both had the same issues & it clearly pointed to geometry problems.... They were never great as Pinto's & Mustang II's but widen the track & increase the wheel base and the numbers are all wrong....
Pinto = Please insert nickle to operate :stop:
I think I will keep my nickle
Sound control i hope your car is up and running or moving along i just did this swap and i learned a ton however i should post on here my detailed notes . I was reading that you were using the angled filter adapter I have no issues with mine it's tight but it comes off and on with out a problem just run a short filter and your good ..
Quote from: hpjunke on August 02, 2017, 12:51:24 PM
Sound control i hope your car is up and running or moving along i just did this swap and i learned a ton however i should post on here my detailed notes . I was reading that you were using the angled filter adapter I have no issues with mine it's tight but it comes off and on with out a problem just run a short filter and your good ..
Nope, far away from up and running, I cut the quarters off, then my project came to a stand still because of work. It moves very slow now, but its OK, I enjoy it anyways. Good thing with the oil filter adapter! Maybe it has do do with what kind of engine mount are used?
Great if you post more info on your swap!
Your car looks great! What year? I also bought a -73 project (rust bucket) and a 5.7 Hemi / a833, just in case I get more time on my hands, :haha:
Quote from: hpjunke on August 02, 2017, 12:51:24 PM
I was reading that you were using the angled filter adapter I have no issues with mine it's tight but it comes off and on with out a problem just run a short filter and your good ..
On my 392 Hemi the oil filter adapter and any oil filter would not fit with a k-member. We cut the "tongue" off the oil adapter and installed an adjustable remote adapter to a filter mounted on the k-member. Maybe its a difference in the 6.4 vs. 6.1 or year change.
Is that a problem when using a stock k member or all k member when doing this type of swap
here ya go .. !
That's some clean shaving. :twothumbsup: Tell us a bit more about your car? How long did it take to do and how long have you had the car?
I love the flat hood on that silver car....looks great, tired of seeing the typical two scoop hood :alan2cents:
Very slow! :( Have not done much of anything since late July now, got a TV show and been working 80-90 Hr weeks for 3 months. I just finished that though, moving on to some movies now, the deadlines are not so tight on the movies so I'm planning to get some more work done on the car during the winter. I compensate by ordering tools online while I work :)
Thanks for asking!
Quote from: anlauto on August 03, 2017, 07:33:11 AM
I love the flat hood on that silver car....looks great, tired of seeing the typical two scoop hood :alan2cents:
Agree with Alan. The flat hood ties in nice with the clean shaved look. :perfect10:
Quote from: soundcontrol on November 13, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
Very slow! :( Have not done much of anything since late July now, got a TV show and been working 80-90 Hr weeks for 3 months. I just finished that though, moving on to some movies now, the deadlines are not so tight on the movies so I'm planning to get some more work done on the car during the winter. I compensate by ordering tools online while I work :)
Thanks for asking!
Following closely. 6.1 will be going in our A-Body. :slapme5:
What are you doing for the driveshaft? Have one built with slip joint ?
Quote from: Crusty on January 02, 2018, 03:31:54 PM
What are you doing for the driveshaft? Have one built with slip joint ?
Yes, I have a brand new shaft in a box that I'm gonna send off and add a slipjoint. Waiting with that until I have the engine/tranny in the car so I can take some measurements.
Good deal. I am getting ready to do this swap in a 71 cuda and am learning a lot from your thread.Thank you for all the info
Quote from: Crusty on January 03, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
Good deal. I am getting ready to do this swap in a 71 cuda and am learning a lot from your thread.Thank you for all the info
Check out this one, very good thread.
https://www.forebodiesonly.com/forum/threads/mas-cuda-a-long-time-coming.7651/
Thanks for that link! It is a good one. Between that thread and this one most of my questions are answered. Thank you!