For the first time in the last 2 months, I ran the tank in my Ram 1500 to nearly empty before filling it up. This is the single largest amount I've ever spent on a tank of gas in my life. I don't drive as much now that I'm retired, but I sure feel bad for those that still have a daily commute. $4.95/gal for 89 octane.
That's nothing, at today's exchange rate, that is about $140 CDN dollars.....I just spent $200 CDN to fill up my RAM 1500 :takemymoney:
It's nuts, I did a little bit of running around today and burnt maybe 1/8 tank...which is now $25 :crying:
Thanks Joe :'(
$7.58 Canadian for a US gallon around here lately. :looney:
Quote from: jimynick on May 10, 2022, 07:29:39 PM
$7.58 Canadian for a US gallon around here lately. :looney:
Which is about $6.00 USD for a US gallon :drunk:
Quote from: anlauto on May 10, 2022, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: jimynick on May 10, 2022, 07:29:39 PM
$7.58 Canadian for a US gallon around here lately. :looney:
Which is about $6.00 USD for a US gallon :drunk:
Yeah sorry - you guys in Canada and elsewhere have been taking it in the shorts on gas prices for a while. These price levels are new for us in the U.S.
Same here, it`s been over $100 to fill up my `18 Ram 2500 for a while now, Thankfully I`m retired as well and only have to drive the kid to school and back and around town for errands @ 12 mpg, I can`t imagine what my 85 mile round trip commute would cost now if I was still working. :Thud: I plan on towing my cuda to Carlisle from here (400 mile trip one way) so I better start saving up now to pay for the gas.
Well, what should I say, we pay more than $8 per gallon here in Switzerland. :(
Quote from: bdschnei on May 10, 2022, 07:29:00 PM
Thanks Joe :'(
unfortunately, it's not just joe. The entire democrat party has sworn to rid us of our filthy oil cars and oil dependent lifestyles.
They are seriously trying to take away our hobby. Yet we can't talk politics because they are bad for loving each other in this humanitarian world.
Wake up and look at what's happening.
Has no one heard Joe specifically say he's gonna get rid of oil? Here's a reminder for some of yal.
I could post another half dozen of these where he says he's getting rid of the industry. He's talking to you !!
For those of you with T.D.S. Here is a clip that you can only watch 3 seconds and hear biden say he's going to cap over a million wells.
At minute 1.36. Just watch 3 seconds.
I'm a general contractor and do a lot of driving. I'm filling up every other day. over 400 a week right now. That doesn't include my heavy equipment or my employees that I pay gas to.
Prices on everything are up, not just gas. This is bull crap and the government on both sides are pushing the people to a "change".
And now the democrats are literally advocating violence while they are illegally picketing justice's house's.
Prepare yourselves brothers. As biden has said, we will have a deadly summer. But mostly only for those who are unvaccinated.
This is going to be a tough summer/year. Lot's of questions will come up when deciding if we want to do things with our cars due to the high prices. I bought a new 2500 last year and really not eager to drive it much now instead of taking my 8 year old Dart that gets twice the MPG.
Cruises about to start here, and I am not going to be eager to go to ones further away and will go to ones close to home instead.
And I am hoping to go to Moparty again this year, 800 mile round trip, pulling a trailer getting maybe 9 mpg, plus the rip off tolls towing a trailer here in IL (about 4 times what it is for a car or light truck not towing), I am looking at $600 plus just for travel then add hotel food etc, it will really add up.
Gas is at $2.21 a litre for regular here on Vancouver Island. Last week I put $190.00 in my Ram Diesel when it was at 1/4 tank.
I don't think I'll be driving the Cuda much this year!
Quote from: elan71 on May 11, 2022, 04:25:18 AM
Well, what should I say, we pay more than $8 per gallon here in Switzerland. :(
It`s hard to compare cost of just gas in other countries without factoring in the overall cost of living -
"With a cost of living index of 141 all goods are on average about 41 percent more expensive than in the USA. But the average income in Switzerland of 6885 USD is also 28% higher, which means that citizens can also afford more goods. Now you calculate the 41% higher costs against the 28% higher income. In the result, people in Switzerland can afford about 9 percent less than a US citizen."
I don't plan on cutting back on Challenger miles, but rv'ing miles might be examined. Less trips but longer stays maybe?
As folks have already heard gas prices are up everywhere in the world not just in the US.
This will mean that folks will have to think first before making that trip. The days of cheap energy are over.
All my cars use premium which in California, the price is close to you Canada folks. I'm not going to drive any less with these prices but I'll eat out less and cook and prep more food at home. A dinner out with my girl is an easy $80.
I made a trip into Missouri from Illinois for family reasons about a week ago. I intentionally left home in Illinois with a half tank in my Ram as that's about what it takes to get to my Missouri destination. Gas was $4.75 in IL and $3.75 as soon as I crossed into MO, where I immediately filled up. On the way back (yesterday) I stopped at the same station to top off at the still $3.75 price and filled up with another $200 in all the empty 5 gallon cans I'd been carrying.
Gee, will high gas prices encourage the electric market? Think, people. The "Big Guy" has a plan.
Just took the cuda out for the first decent drive of the season - $5.19 for Super at Irving which is cheaper than Mobil, Sunoco etc. :verymad: Guess it gives me motivation to get another distributor fixed up that has a vacuum advance and swap out the locked one in the car now.
For some reasons my gas mileage actually went up. I am at averaged 12 mpg. Sometime even higher. May be driveline is finally loosen up. I try not to look at the gas price and take mine out whenever I want to. Not getting any younger. Crazy CA might one day ban these cars from the roadway.
I made five cross country trips moving with a heavy car trailer. Thankfully all the trips were completed before the presidential election. I paid $1.69-$1.89 consistently everywhere outside CA. When Bush was President, gas prices were around $2.00 a gallon. Obama had it up around $5.00 for much of his time in office.
People have very short memories on stuff like this.
I have a pretty good memory and I don't recall gas here in the Chicagoland suburbs ever being over $4 until now.
Back in the summer of 2014 I recall regular being 3.99 and that sucked. Factor in inflation that probably translates to $4.29 or $4.39 today possibly?
And Illinois has one of the highest gas taxes in the nation, so at that time gas was probably $3.69 or 3.79 in neighboring states like Indiana, Iowa and Wisconsin.
I was out and about yesterday and regular was $4.89-$5.19 in the west and northwest burbs. In Chicago I'm sure it's well over $5 in the whole city as they are always 25c or more higher than the burbs.
California always seems to have the highest prices, .75-1.00 more than any other of the lower 48. I suppose a California transplant to another state might see $5 gas as nothing new, but to locals who never saw over $4 or even less before it's pretty shocking.
Diesel is even worse and shortages are pending, some truckers are parking their rigs due to the cost of fuel. That's really going worsen the shortages of materials on store shelves. :o
In 2008 we dragged the 5th wheel to DC to check out the Smithsonian. Diesel at that time averaged around $4.25/gal. At the time I thought it was crazy. I'll settle for it now! But hope for better....
I recall that too. Right after Obama took office, it went really high and stayed high until Trump opened up drilling in the US and eased regulations. Democrats love regulation and the oil companies are in business to make money so all costs get passed on to the consumer.
CA has its own unique problems because they insist on having different blends for different seasons and of course they don't want refineries in their state so these special blends get trucked in at extra expense. As I understand it, there is some refinement in CA but regulations and special CA standards have them operating at a much lower capacity most of the time.
Gas prices started increasing the day Biden used his powers to undo all of Trump's reformations. Ukraine certainly doesn't help but I blame that on Biden too. Every world dictator like Putin felt suddenly emboldened when Trump was replaced with a puppet. The Democrat party desperately wants electric cars so why should they care about gas prices. It plays into their goals. Almost as if they manufactured the problem.
I wonder how bad the negative effect is going to be on the hobby this year. I've followed some threads by racers on other car forums and several posters say they are going to sit out this drag racing season due to the high cost of driving their rigs to tracks, others say they will only go to close by tracks and skip further away events.
I probably won't get motivated to head to further away cruises and stick to the ones within maybe a 15 mile radius of my house.
It will likely cut attendance at big national shows like Carlisle, Nats and Moparty.
As most know I am very involved in MCACN and am starting to worry that some people will not want to tow their cars here, and it also might hurt attendance.
I am "hosting" a display this year for the first time and excited about that, so far a number of interesting cars signed up for my Malaise era muscle display. Now I am worrying some might decide it's too expensive to come, and drop out. I'll hope for the best, but as I attend local cruises I will look extra hard for appropriate cars to sign up, because at least local guys who only have to go 10-30 miles to bring their cars will be less likely to drop out than someone from 1500 miles away!
I read that they pulled drilling permits in Alaska and off shore. Paid 5.76 for regular yesterday in CA. I'm expecting by the end of Summer $7-8 per gallon.
Since I've lived in CA for 50 years I think I can talk about the pain of gas prices here.
1) California has some of the highest taxes on gasoline. Last I checked we have a dollar or more tax per gallon. After May 31st I think with the new tax this will go even higher.
2) There are refineries here like Chevron and many others out of Richmond as well as many in SoCal. There is a game the refineries like to play and they have done it for decades. In the winter the formula changes where they add more O2 to the gas. In the summer they change back. The fun part is where in the summer they reduce capacity for "maintenance" and jack up prices hence magically making more $$$ when more people are driving during the summer. How coincidental is that?
3) Adding Ethanol to the gas is also another great screw up as I have seen decade long studies which shows there is no marked improvement in Air Quality. Some say it's actually worse. Either way it's just another debacle which does not help gas prices.
Again, gasoline is a world wide energy problem. If one Nation decides to cut back production like OPEC did in the late 70's then we all feel it no matter what. It doesn't matter how much drilling you open up you will still have problems because of lag time.
Anyway, I am about to rid myself of this problem (somewhat) soon as I am moving away.
Quote from: HP_Cuda on May 13, 2022, 11:17:54 AM
Since I've lived in CA for 50 years I think I can talk about the pain of gas prices here.
1) California has some of the highest taxes on gasoline. Last I checked we have a dollar or more tax per gallon. After May 31st I think with the new tax this will go even higher.
2) There are refineries here like Chevron and many others out of Richmond as well as many in SoCal. There is a game the refineries like to play and they have done it for decades. In the winter the formula changes where they add more O2 to the gas. In the summer they change back. The fun part is where in the summer they reduce capacity for "maintenance" and jack up prices hence magically making more $$$ when more people are driving during the summer. How coincidental is that?
3) Adding Ethanol to the gas is also another great screw up as I have seen decade long studies which shows there is no marked improvement in Air Quality. Some say it's actually worse. Either way it's just another debacle which does not help gas prices.
Again, gasoline is a world wide energy problem. If one Nation decides to cut back production like OPEC did in the late 70's then we all feel it no matter what. It doesn't matter how much drilling you open up you will still have problems because of lag time.
Anyway, I am about to rid myself of this problem (somewhat) soon as I am moving away.
Finally someone pointing the finger at the oil companies themselves that are reaping the profits and won't stop no matter where it comes out of the ground.
(https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/280683265_525144279344877_8241267587841461987_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-6&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=bZG0nzGwYZAAX9g07bg&_nc_ht=scontent.fapa1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_0aOHxhZzrBpaSmSk64xgcpxl9BPlFFJGi57QzLg5ZRQ&oe=62845E32)
You have no clue whatsoever how markets work do you?
Commodities are not that different than the vintage car market. The market sets the price and if you are selling a car, your car will sell for either less than you have in it, what you have in it, or more than you have in it depending on what the market price is. Sure you can be nice and sell it cheap, but no one would. You can be greedy and price it high, and no one will buy it, so if you sell, you sold it for market price.
If greedy corporations are responsible for todays out of control inflation, why did they all decide to do this now at the same time, after decades of mostly low inflation? Why not 2 years ago or 10 years ago? As far as the oil companies, if they are so greedy, why was oil briefly worth less than 0 two years ago, why were those evil oil executives cutting their own throats and hemorrhaging huge amounts of money back then? They weren't evil and greedy then, but they are now? People really believe that? That doesn't even begin to make sense.
But it must be, our favorite grandstanding politicians and their media mouthpieces are saying that's how it works, so gosh darn it why would anybody question them? :drunk:
Maybe anyone who has ever worked in industry, invested in stocks, and/or ran a business, that's who.
I've owned some Chevron stock for some time now, and other than a nice dividend yield it has been a mediocre performer until recently, their profit margin, EBITA etc are just a fraction of what that is for many other stocks I have like Microsoft and Apple. Word to the wise, if you are want to start a business and want to make big profit, go into tech. I'm not sure why anyone would try to make money drilling a hole in the ground in the middle of nowhere, or in the ocean, or try to build stuff in a big noisy expensive factory to return a paltry 4-6%, when tech companies get 25-30% profit margins?
Well at any rate, I've been kicking myself about 2020, I did buy a few stocks in March when the market was plunging, but for some reason in April or May when the price of a barrel of oil was sub 0, and oil stocks appeared to be heading toward worthless why didn't I buy more Chevron?? I am not a trader, I buy on rare occasions things seem obvious that things would turn around, and surely energy would, it was obvious, I could have cleaned up! :headbang:
Oh well at least I hung on to what I had and didn't dump it.
How is it though, that in the last 10 years greedy CVXs stock is up maybe 70% plus dividends, and they are greedy, while in the same time period my nice woke stamp of approval certified APPL and MSFT are up 600 or 700 or 1000%, I stopped even trying to keep track, and yet few if any, ever call them greedy?
I don't think oil will be a good long term moneymaker like your techs of the world, I won't buy more energy now.
Oil will eventually come down, I'm sure. But I doubt it will be in time to salvage this years car and other fuel burning activities sadly. :alan2cents: 2022 is ruined. :crying:
I think oil companies do better than 4-6% profit. CVX at todays price still has a dividend yield of 3.48%. The dividend payout and share price appreciation should help a long way to offset gas spending. Don't forget a good % of the price you pay is in taxes.
Last year I drove 30,000 miles. This year, on target for slightly less.
Tank empty? I fill it.
At outlying stations, gas is $4.85 and diesel is $5.65.
I am currently using all I can, as I like to drive and my cars are fun.
I read the book "The Prize" 15 years ago. The prediction is gas will once again be a waste product, as it was originally. They pumped the gasoline into pits and burned it to get rid of it.. Now they are burning it to make electricity, I read 8% of power generation is gas, 20% natural gas.
Gasoline inventories are at an all time high, but diesel is running low.
They cannot crack more crude to get diesel, because they have no place store the light volatiles (gasoline), that they have to produce to make the full spectrum from a barrel of crude.
Price of gas will come down right into mid term elections, and someone will take credit for it,
In our area in1982 , a gallon of gas was $1.48 for super, and a house was $65-80k.
Now ,a house is $850-1mil for a cheap house, and gas is $4.85.
Gas has not kept up, and they are taxing the crap out of it.
I believe locally it's. 90 cents a gallon in tax.
For a real price shock compare what I paid for my first Cuda to today. 340, drive it home for $500
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WGTSTUS1&f=W
The next big usage for gasoline will be power generation in the southwest, as nuclear and coal are out. Hydro power is running out. No water soon for glen canyon and Hoover to make power for California.
Clean gas to the rescue! Then more diesel will be available to move goods by truck and train.
It's time to abandon California and
US oil production is still way down from 2019-2020. The oil companies are happily not producing more oil and keeping prices high. That's how markets are manipulated.
Quote from: 7212Mopar on May 13, 2022, 06:45:31 PM
I think oil companies do better than 4-6% profit. CVX at todays price still has a dividend yield of 3.48%. The dividend payout and share price appreciation should help a long way to offset gas spending. Don't forget a good % of the price you pay is in taxes.
Sadly I don't have a bunch of shares of CVX like I do in those techs I cited. But I like their dividends! My investments have given me better % increases in dividends every year than my engineering career in dirty thankless manufacturing ever has, which is nice. :bigthumb:
Here is some real world data to counter those who get get all their wisdom ( :haha:) from CNN and grandstanding politicians mugging for the TV cameras.
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/012015/what-average-profit-margin-company-oil-gas-drilling-sector.asp
So yes, oils very high for this brief period in history but in my several decades owning some oil companies their profit margins are not anything to write home about. I like big dividend yields, that is why I've invested in them, not because they are high profit growth stocks.
Tech is all over the place, as there are so many players, but among big long time companies I've been invested in, their profits seem to have been in the 20-35% range.
https://www.reuters.com/assets/curtainMainContentLoader?view=RSM-US-Curtain-MainContent-Sector-Technology
I'll hang up now and wait for CNN and Schumer and the like to blame the tech companies greed for our current spiraling out of control inflation. :rofl:
Coming off the pandemic when the primary consumer stayed home and didn't drive their gas consuming cars, refineries had to store excess product.
On top of that, industry kept humpin along using up the diesel.
Refineries had to slow down production because they couldn't move the waste gas out of the system at any price, so they kept prices up to make as much as they could, while they could.
Refer to my link of gas inventory, I should post the diesel inventory.
Here is the barrel breakdown to support my wild claim
Gasoline and diesel have shelf life so refineries process crude based on demand and short term storage. There is also cost factors on transport and storage of crude. Likely there are bunch of guys out there looking and figuring out all these every day.
High gas prices, inflation, interest rate rising, rising taxes, Obamacare premium stuffs are not in control by any average guy. Just need to deal with it and focus on oneself how to stay above water to enjoy the golden years and keep working and driving these old cars while you still can.
I'm not sure this is a problem you can drill your way out of and it's not all a regulation issue.
The US is the number one consumer of oil in the world. We use more than India and China combined which are the number 2 and number 3 consumers We have say 15 percent of their combined population.
On the production side we are consistently in the top 3 of oil producing countries in the world grouped tightly with Saudi and Russia neither country being a democracy. Most of the easy Oil in the US is already tapped. I think it was back in 2016 or 2017 that several Shale Oil companies went bankrupt when the market was flooded with Saudi oil and gas was cheap. The saudis purposely flooded the market to target the shale producers ( remember this?) Shale producers need the price of oil to be consistently in the $50 - $70 range just to break even. So why aren't they drilling more wells now? Because they remember companies going bankrupt and they chose not to based on the belief that the current price shock is temporary. In other words they want and need you to pay a high price per barrel to have the capital incentive to drill.
We actually need a balanced energy policy using alternative energy sources and consumers and yes more drilling but that needs to be balanced and yes we do need some regulation if you don't like tar balls on your beaches or gas in your water well. With the amount of oil we use now there is zero chance not to be in the pocket of Saudi's. In addition to producing oil they chop people heads off in the street for doing things against their religion and government. Not the best partner.
As for the politicians, I hate them all. I have my policy leanings (left) but I don't get people worshipping one over the other. They work for us, but it always seems their interest are first and everything these days is extreme left and right. These guys need to work together and there has to be a middle. Even when they went to Ukraine they went separately. one posse as Dems and the next as Republicans. WTF were Americans. Go together and represent USA assholes. It's some shit watching this crap as the world goes to hell and they all vote party over country. We all need to be paying attention, they work for us.
Quote from: worthywads on May 13, 2022, 07:19:49 PM
US oil production is still way down from 2019-2020. The oil companies are happily not producing more oil and keeping prices high. That's how markets are manipulated.
Oil production is down because the new President made a series of changes. Biden and his team did and continue to do everything to unravel what Trump put in place. Is Biden manipulating the market?
People like you always put blame on companies but fail to understand that companies are in business to make money and they react to ever changing policies, laws and regulations put in place by the people we elect. If you want to punish someone, vote differently.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on May 12, 2022, 07:35:47 PM
I made five cross country trips moving with a heavy car trailer. Thankfully all the trips were completed before the presidential election. I paid $1.69-$1.89 consistently everywhere outside CA. When Bush was President, gas prices were around $2.00 a gallon. Obama had it up around $5.00 for much of his time in office.
People have very short memories on stuff like this.
Short memories indeed.
GW Bush's administration made gas prices rise from a low of $1.48 to a high of $4.09 via their policies and the global war on terror. A global recession in 2008, uninitiated by the president, drove it down to $1.71. By the end of is term, overall prices were up 15% over 8 years with a 176% range in the same time.
BH Obama's administration took over at $1.71, and saw a peak price at $4.12 due to the recovery from the recession. By the end of this administration, it was down to $1.87. Overall a 9% increase over his 8 years and a 140% range over the same time. BTW, it was Obama that removed the policy that prevented the US from exporting oil that was implemented by Nixon. The ability to serve global markets is what lead to an excess availability of oil that drove the prices down.
DJ trump took over at $1.87 and saw prices slowly increase to $3.05. During a global pandemic, which the president did not initiate, prices dropped to $1.91. When he left office it was at $2.49, for a net change of 33% increase over his 4 years with a 63% range in prices.
JR Biden took over at $2.49. Average today is around $4.33. At 57% increase over the last 15 months. Jury is still out on where it will end and how widely it will fluctuate.
So it appears to me that regardless of who is president and regardless of their party affiliation and the efforts made by any administration, prices continue to rise and any significant change in pricing tends to be the result of larger forces that impact a wider population than simply the US or even North America.
Look up drill rig counts in the US by year. The high was in 2015 (quiz who was in office in 2015 :pokeeye:). 2015 is also the year that the bottom started to fall out as the saudis dumped oil into the market to bankrupt shale producers. Look up the cost to produce shale. yes it's economics. Yes they expect and we expect they want a profit. I don't work for free. That means they need the price to be consistently higher. I held MLP stocks which by no means makes me an expert but you do tend to pay attention when drillers go out of business because there isn't price support. So drill baby drill but I'm sorry the oil in the US is actually getting harder to pull out of the ground and it's getting more expensive like everything else in the world. And yes everyone wants a profit.
https://fortune.com/2021/03/05/saudis-americas-frackers-drill-gone-forever/
And yes vote but know your facts because we have to do better than these current jerks on both sides. They shouldn't have to spit in peoples faces and lie to have an exchange of ideas and a middle ground.
Quote from: MKA on May 14, 2022, 08:29:04 PM
On the production side we are consistently in the top 3 of oil producing countries in the world grouped tightly with Saudi and Russia neither country being a democracy. Most of the easy Oil in the US is already tapped. I think it was back in 2016 or 2017 that several Shale Oil companies went bankrupt when the market was flooded with Saudi oil and gas was cheap. The saudis purposely flooded the market to target the shale producers ( remember this?) Shale producers need the price of oil to be consistently in the $50 - $70 range just to break even. So why aren't they drilling more wells now? Because they remember companies going bankrupt and they chose not to based on the belief that the current price shock is temporary. In other words they want and need you to pay a high price per barrel to have the capital incentive to drill.
We actually need a balanced energy policy using alternative energy sources and consumers and yes more drilling but that needs to be balanced and yes we do need some regulation if you don't like tar balls on your beaches or gas in your water well. With the amount of oil we use now there is zero chance not to be in the pocket of Saudi's. In addition to producing oil they chop people heads off in the street for doing things against their religion and government. Not the best partner.
As for the politicians, I hate them all. I have my policy leanings (left) but I don't get people worshipping one over the other. They work for us, but it always seems their interest are first and everything these days is extreme left and right. These guys need to work together and there has to be a middle. Even when they went to Ukraine they went separately. one posse as Dems and the next as Republicans. WTF were Americans. Go together and represent USA assholes. It's some shit watching this crap as the world goes to hell and they all vote party over country. We all need to be paying attention, they work for us.
Agree with all of this. Many forget we do produce a large amount of oil. I'd also add that regardless of oil prices and consumption, we will always be in the packet of the Saudis. There are policies around this going back to the post WW2 era that are in no danger of ever being changed.
Also agree most politicians should be flushed. I've seen all sorts of people advocate about starting a new civil war, even from members on this board. Well, IMO, it started 40 years ago and has been waged ever since, but it isn't the bloody armed conflict we normally think of. Its an economic war that has allowed the ultra rich to get richer while the rest of us fight for tables scraps. How many even remember things like the Silverado Savings and Loan scandal? This led to a series of banking scams that defrauded the tax payers out of billions while the principle parties all walked away free. Its only intensified since then. These ultra rich are perfectly satisfied to watch us all beat each other up over conservative vs liberal because it distracts us from the bigger context of how lesser known but more impactful legislation is pushed through by politicos who are bought off smalltime politicians for a few $100k that will then push approval of laws that will reap the benefactors billions of benefit. Meanwhile we work our butts off to provide for ourselves and sit back and indulge of our chosen media outlets to continue to feed us our view that this is all the fault of those damn people who aren't like me.
All I know is when we bought my wife's Challenger in 2017, it costs $60-$65 to fill it up....today I just put $132.00 of gas in it...
Complicated issue with many contributing factors, some things started many years ago, some more recent.
And it is completely correct that politicians are our worst enemy, on both sides.
Took my out for a drive yesterday on a sunny day. $6.69 a gallon 91 octane at Chevron.
Here in Boise, Id. it was 85* today so I went for a nice drive. My gas gauge doesn't work so I always have to fill up before I go. 4.51 reg. and 4.91 premium (91 octane) here. Our gas is brought in by a pipe line from Utah so we are always about .25 more per gallon than the national average.
I grabbed the wrong gas can to bring to the track yesterday to race motorcycles. So I got a few gallons of Sunoco 93 octane non ethanol for 8.49/gal. Gas at the track is always more expensive, but wow!!
Quote from: MKA on May 14, 2022, 08:29:04 PM
I'm not sure this is a problem you can drill your way out of and it's not all a regulation issue.
The US is the number one consumer of oil in the world. We use more than India and China combined which are the number 2 and number 3 consumers We have say 15 percent of their combined population.
On the production side we are consistently in the top 3 of oil producing countries in the world grouped tightly with Saudi and Russia neither country being a democracy. Most of the easy Oil in the US is already tapped. I think it was back in 2016 or 2017 that several Shale Oil companies went bankrupt when the market was flooded with Saudi oil and gas was cheap. The saudis purposely flooded the market to target the shale producers ( remember this?) Shale producers need the price of oil to be consistently in the $50 - $70 range just to break even. So why aren't they drilling more wells now? Because they remember companies going bankrupt and they chose not to based on the belief that the current price shock is temporary. In other words they want and need you to pay a high price per barrel to have the capital incentive to drill.
We actually need a balanced energy policy using alternative energy sources and consumers and yes more drilling but that needs to be balanced and yes we do need some regulation if you don't like tar balls on your beaches or gas in your water well. With the amount of oil we use now there is zero chance not to be in the pocket of Saudi's. In addition to producing oil they chop people heads off in the street for doing things against their religion and government. Not the best partner.
As for the politicians, I hate them all. I have my policy leanings (left) but I don't get people worshipping one over the other. They work for us, but it always seems their interest are first and everything these days is extreme left and right. These guys need to work together and there has to be a middle. Even when they went to Ukraine they went separately. one posse as Dems and the next as Republicans. WTF were Americans. Go together and represent USA assholes. It's some shit watching this crap as the world goes to hell and they all vote party over country. We all need to be paying attention, they work for us.
A lot of good points many of which I agree with. I agree we need a balanced energy plan but at this point we are not able to survive without oil, we can`t stop using oil and gas before we have an alternative that is practical, cost effective and readily avaialble - EVs, solar, wind are not viable yet.
. As for politicians they are working for special interest groups more than us and the partisan crap has gotten out of hand not to mention the corruption/deep state. Unfortunately with the idiots in charge I don`t see any good solutions to any of our countrys problems any time soon, maybe they will bankrupt us, the government will topple and we can start over?
Quote from: MKA on May 14, 2022, 08:29:04 PM
Even when they went to Ukraine they went separately. one posse as Dems and the next as Republicans.
When I saw that I thought it spoke volumes about the maturity of the current American politicians.
OK, back to the original topic..
Here gas was $2.09 a litre...diesel 2.19 a litre... :'(
I guess I should be happy, I found one station yesterday w DIESEL @ 4.99. My loaders need fuel! 27 gals $135 It used to be if I spent $100 it was an expensive day. Regular here is 4.39 ISH... I was thru Chicago over the weekend saw regular for $5.09. One of my gys in the shop has family somewhere in Cali. Over $7.00 !!!
I just purchased red diesel for 4.35 at a CoOp. That price has already gone up in the last two days as that was sold out. Now the price goes up for them also. Highway diesel was 4.99.
Whereas when I drove out of that area of Colorado the prices immediately went up to 5.86 for highway diesel.
There are a very few counties in Colorado that are still very different than the rest of what this state has become.
Regular gas is now $2.32 per litre in Victoria BC just went up .11 cents overnight
Around $10.00 per gallon!
:rebelflag"
I was just in Vegas last week and gas was $5.40 but I saw $5.50 at one station . . My Uber ride was certainly more than normal. :drunk:
Love to hear from some oil industry execs and get their between-you-and-me point of view on these prices.
Questions for you Americans :unitedstates:
During the day, or over night when a gas station increases the price, how much is the typical increase per gallon ? $0.03 , $0.05, $0.07, $0.10 per US Gallon ?
Reason I'm asking is these are the typical increases we see every day....however since Canada switched to the "metric" system....these increases per liter are equivalent to $0.11 to $0.38 per gallon jump at a time :o
I can't imagine your gas goes from $1.79 to $1.90 in one increase ? Does it ?
Normally see changes of .10 or .20 in East Texas.
An Exxon station nearby offers .40 discount with a $15 Works car warsh, so the car warsh cost drops to about $5 when at 1/4 tank.
Quote from: 73440 on May 20, 2022, 06:51:52 AM
Normally see changes of .10 or .20
Same here in western NY.
the price change varies greatly but I'd say typically between .02 to .10, never seen any increase more than .10 in a single day.
I filled up this morning at Exxon for $4.19, but I use their App (not the "get upside" app) which gives me .03 per gallon credit to save up and use with a gas purchase or in the convenience store. I used to go to Costco because they were always .05 to .10 cheaper but since prices have gone up everyone does and lines are horrible, so I stopped.
PS: this goes for Houston
There's a RaceTrack I pass every day to and from work.
Actually saw the price change as a I drove by over several times the last couple of weeks.
I'm in central FL, price changes have been typically $0.20 both up or down.
I came home from work on Monday, it was $4.19, next morning it was $4.49, now today (Friday) it was back down to "only" $4.34.
It's a marketing F*uck, we all panic and gasp, "gas is $4.50" then when it drops we're happy.
"Oh look, gas is only $4.34"
When we should all be remembering it was $2.50 just a year ago ...........
Just today around....the gas prices have maintained pretty high all week so less and less people were filling up...today the priced dropped by .10 so gas stations are lined up right now, and on the news they already said the price goes back up tomorrow :looney:
Quote from: Katfish on May 20, 2022, 02:56:20 PM
There's a RaceTrack I pass every day to and from work.
Actually saw the price change as a I drove by over several times the last couple of weeks.
I'm in central FL, price changes have been typically $0.20 both up or down.
I came home from work on Monday, it was $4.19, next morning it was $4.49, now today (Friday) it was back down to "only" $4.34.
It's a marketing F*uck, we all panic and gasp, "gas is $4.50" then when it drops we're happy.
"Oh look, gas is only $4.34"
When we should all be remembering it was $2.50 just a year ago ...........
We shouldn't forget that it was Trump who negotiated for Saudi Arabia to slash production because $2 gasoline was killing the US oil producers profits. Saudi Arabia hasn't returned to normal production volumes.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-trump-saudi-specialreport/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-u-s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4
Last Saturday I filled up at 4.91 (premium) and went for a drive. Today I had to get out of the house so I went for a drive. When I filled up this morning gas had gone to 5.03
Quote from: worthywads on May 22, 2022, 05:53:59 PM
Quote from: Katfish on May 20, 2022, 02:56:20 PM
There's a RaceTrack I pass every day to and from work.
Actually saw the price change as a I drove by over several times the last couple of weeks.
I'm in central FL, price changes have been typically $0.20 both up or down.
I came home from work on Monday, it was $4.19, next morning it was $4.49, now today (Friday) it was back down to "only" $4.34.
It's a marketing F*uck, we all panic and gasp, "gas is $4.50" then when it drops we're happy.
"Oh look, gas is only $4.34"
When we should all be remembering it was $2.50 just a year ago ...........
We shouldn't forget that it was Trump who negotiated for Saudi Arabia to slash production because $2 gasoline was killing the US oil producers profits. Saudi Arabia hasn't returned to normal production volumes.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-trump-saudi-specialreport/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-u-s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4
TDS still has a strong hold on you. Just admit that your boy Biden is in charge now and wrecking this country.
I stopped at the Irving in my town yesterday morning to fill up my truck and the price was the same as when I filled my cuda up the day before - $5.36 for 93. I noticed a sign on the pump said cash only so I assume there credit system was down so I went to the next town over to another Irving and saw the price was $5.49 for 93. Same company, same gas but I guess stores have different owners so gas prices were 13 cents apart. Funny thing is the cheaper one is a smaller store with less traffic/business than the other one at a major intersection. :dunno:
Back on March 4th 2022, stopped for gas, wanted to pay cash and save .10 a gallon.
The cashier said the pumps are slow, please wait 5 minutes to pump, waited 5 minutes .
When pumps turned back on , prices had risen .20,went in to ask, they just shrugged their shoulders.
Quote from: Timmy C on May 23, 2022, 03:55:16 AM
Quote from: worthywads on May 22, 2022, 05:53:59 PM
Quote from: Katfish on May 20, 2022, 02:56:20 PM
There's a RaceTrack I pass every day to and from work.
Actually saw the price change as a I drove by over several times the last couple of weeks.
I'm in central FL, price changes have been typically $0.20 both up or down.
I came home from work on Monday, it was $4.19, next morning it was $4.49, now today (Friday) it was back down to "only" $4.34.
It's a marketing F*uck, we all panic and gasp, "gas is $4.50" then when it drops we're happy.
"Oh look, gas is only $4.34"
When we should all be remembering it was $2.50 just a year ago ...........
We shouldn't forget that it was Trump who negotiated for Saudi Arabia to slash production because $2 gasoline was killing the US oil producers profits. Saudi Arabia hasn't returned to normal production volumes.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-trump-saudi-specialreport/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-u-s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4
TDS still has a strong hold on you. Just admit that your boy Biden is in charge now and wrecking this country.
Just admit your only response to conflicting evidence is name calling.
https://247wallst.com/energy-economy/2019/08/01/this-is-the-place-with-the-most-expensive-gas-in-the-world-2/
It is amazing how strong TDS is, Bad Orange Man has been gone 18 months and yet he's still the cause of our problems.............
Just saw 6.79 two days ago.
Btw, for a lighter note if you follow Shaq's advice you don't have to spend that much money on gas!! b :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLOAGO0ByY
$4.70 for 87 now in central FL
Quote from: HP_Cuda on May 26, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
for a lighter note
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLOAGO0ByY
absolutely hilarious
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 26, 2022, 06:16:24 PM
Quote from: HP_Cuda on May 26, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
for a lighter note
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLOAGO0ByY
absolutely hilarious
I couldn't tell if he was serious or not ? Nobody can be that dumb can they ? :alan2cents:
Quote from: anlauto on May 27, 2022, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 26, 2022, 06:16:24 PM
Quote from: HP_Cuda on May 26, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
for a lighter note
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLOAGO0ByY
absolutely hilarious
I couldn't tell if he was serious or not ? Nobody can be that dumb can they ? :alan2cents:
Same here not knowing the reality of the displayed ignorance.
Quote from: anlauto on May 27, 2022, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 26, 2022, 06:16:24 PM
Quote from: HP_Cuda on May 26, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
for a lighter note
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLOAGO0ByY
absolutely hilarious
I couldn't tell if he was serious or not ? Nobody can be that dumb can they ? :alan2cents:
Yes, yes they can.
Quote from: HP_Cuda on May 26, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Just saw 6.79 two days ago.
Btw, for a lighter note if you follow Shaq's advice you don't have to spend that much money on gas!! b :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFLOAGO0ByY
:drunk: Good thing he is 7' tall or he would still be working as a janitor somewhere.
Quote from: YellowThumper on May 27, 2022, 08:37:17 AM
My $$$ saving method for gas:
When prices are rising, you fill up more often.
This way each top off will be incrementally lower than a full fill at higher price per gallon.
Conversely, when prices are dropping (yea right) I wate until tank is empty. Then a full fill at lowest price.
Doesn`t work if the price goes up - while I am driving with a full tank at $5.00 you are topping off at $5.20, if the price goes down before I have to fill up again I saved money.
US ambassador up here said last week that the US is not interested in accessing more Canadian oil. Seems so weird to me as they are looking to get more oil from places like Saudi, but....we're right next door! North America has the resources to be energy self sufficient.....but we don't want to be I guess?
You would think pricing could be more stable if we were in complete control of our supply? :dunno:
Quote from: dodj on May 28, 2022, 05:50:03 AM
US ambassador up here said last week that the US is not interested in accessing more Canadian oil. Seems so weird to me as they are looking to get more oil from places like Saudi, but....we're right next door! North America has the resources to be energy self sufficient.....but we don't want to be I guess?
You would think pricing could be more stable if we were in complete control of our supply? :dunno:
I agree with what you said 100%. Someone should ask our current President why it was a good idea to cancel the pipeline from Canada his first day in office, and start relying on oil from the middle East again.
Quote from: MEK-Dangerous on May 28, 2022, 09:24:43 AM
Quote from: dodj on May 28, 2022, 05:50:03 AM
US ambassador up here said last week that the US is not interested in accessing more Canadian oil. Seems so weird to me as they are looking to get more oil from places like Saudi, but....we're right next door! North America has the resources to be energy self sufficient.....but we don't want to be I guess?
You would think pricing could be more stable if we were in complete control of our supply? :dunno:
I agree with what you said 100%. Someone should ask our current President why it was a good idea to cancel the pipeline from Canada his first day in office, and start relying on oil from the middle East again.
nonsense. Do some research and read some of the earlier threads. Ffs
You all giving too much credit to your beloved or non beloved president which ever you decide to discuss. Fall in line. And repeat. Facts. Eh who needs them. Politicians. Why oh why do you love or believe any of them
Canadian oil going to save us. Oh Canada why isn't your oil cheaper then? Do tell. If you ship to us and we ship it back does it get cheaper? There isn't a pipeline in the world that produces oil. it transports it. Marginally impact price, yes. Marginally. But when you take the second or third largest oil producer offline that being Russia, the prices are going to pop. That's the global economy. By all means build it, seriously build it, but that's no where near the entirety of the problem.
Oh and Saudi's Arabia does it's own policy. they aren't listening to Biden. Quite the opposite. They and their undemocratic leadership looking out for themselves. MBS and Putin sitting in a tree happy with each other.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2020/03/20/we-must-not-let-the-shale-industry-go-bankrupt/?sh=28b3ca0a5501
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/03/06/who-is-to-blame-for-rising-gasoline-prices/?sh=2a6e5019329c
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/09/26/revisiting-the-blame-for-high-gas-prices/?sh=262b108ee31e
Slava Ukraine. If I have to pay 10 dollars a gallon to see Putin burn I am paying it. That MF going to starve people to satisfy his Soviet Union childhood dreams. On this Memorial Day. When I think of my grand father dead in WW2, when I think of countries fighting the same bullshit wars over nationalist leaders and when I see those thermobaric warheads going off in the Ukraine countryside, I am so thankful for the unselfish who sacrificed EVERYTHING for our freedom and I am ashamed of all these dirty politicians that we elect who put party and power over We The People and can't do a dam thing that crosses party lines. It's a disgrace.
Build the pipelines. Get the shale, and let's do Solar, Windfarms and Energy efficiency because the USA is the largest consumer of oil in the world and has a fraction of the population and no matter what we do our own oil producers need the price of gas to be $3-$4 dollars for the economics to work and the more exotic drilling isn't getting any cheaper. Quite the opposite. There is only one way for the price of gas to go unless Saudi and Russia want otherwise and fuck them. Have we learned nothing.
Quote from: MKA on May 28, 2022, 01:26:07 PM
Oh Canada why isn't your oil cheaper then? Do tell.
It WCS is significantly cheaper the WTI.
On May 25th, 2022, WCS was $89
On the same day WTI was $102
There....I told.....lol
We imported 7% of our oil from Russia, prices have increased 100%, what else has changed..........
Another perspective....
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61446317.amp
Quote from: Dakota on May 29, 2022, 04:43:59 AM
Another perspective....
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61446317.amp
if anyone expects me to cry for the POOR oil companies as they make windfall profits because the demand will drop in the future... then your sick...
Quote from: MEK-Dangerous on May 28, 2022, 09:24:43 AM
Quote from: dodj on May 28, 2022, 05:50:03 AM
US ambassador up here said last week that the US is not interested in accessing more Canadian oil. Seems so weird to me as they are looking to get more oil from places like Saudi, but....we're right next door! North America has the resources to be energy self sufficient.....but we don't want to be I guess?
You would think pricing could be more stable if we were in complete control of our supply? :dunno:
I agree with what you said 100%. Someone should ask our current President why it was a good idea to cancel the pipeline from Canada his first day in office, and start relying on oil from the middle East again.
Just curious if you are aware that the cancelled pipeline was simply a rerouting of an existing pipeline? The Keystone pipeline is in place and moving oil and has been since 2010. It has had extension done to it in 2011, 2012, and 2016. I'm sure you can recall who was president during this tenure. In case you forgot, it was the same president that removed the American oil policy that did not allow oil exports that was created by certain well known, but tricky, president in the early 70s. The only thing that has become a partisan football that many conservative new networks like to throw around is the XL portion of the pipeline that is simply a rerouting project.
Additionally, the US has turned down accepting more of this oil because it is from the tar sands fields. It is some of the dirtiest oil in the world requiring considerably more refining than Brent crude. The vast majority of oil run through Keystone is being exported to places where there are fewer requirements around how clean it needs to be to be used.
Quote from: HP2 on May 29, 2022, 04:00:57 PM
Just curious if you are aware that the cancelled pipeline was simply a rerouting of an existing pipeline?
So no increased oil flow with the cancelled pipeline? So why cancel it? If it's just a reroute, why do people demonstrate/complain about increasing oil volumes from the KeystoneXL?
None of my questions are pro/anti either American party. I don't care about USA politics-not my country. Just think N. America could be self sufficient with a little cooperation between the two countries.
These days I'm using non-ethanol from a local station in Montgomery and they see me once or twice a week; the first pic is from two weeks ago, the second from last week. I try not to go below half a tank whenever I top off.
As far as 10-15 precent ethanol, anywhere from $4.17 at the Wal-Marts to $4.29 at the local Citgo down the street from me.
Quote from: dodj on May 29, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
Quote from: HP2 on May 29, 2022, 04:00:57 PM
Just curious if you are aware that the cancelled pipeline was simply a rerouting of an existing pipeline?
So no increased oil flow with the cancelled pipeline? So why cancel it? If it's just a reroute, why do people demonstrate/complain about increasing oil volumes from the KeystoneXL?
None of my questions are pro/anti either American party. I don't care about USA politics-not my country. Just think N. America could be self sufficient with a little cooperation between the two countries.
It was a shortcut but would have also increaed capacity but most if not all is exported.
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline#:~:text=It%20was%20expected%20to%20transport,pumps%20in%20the%20United%20States.
Quote from: dodj on May 28, 2022, 04:24:40 PM
Quote from: MKA on May 28, 2022, 01:26:07 PM
Oh Canada why isn't your oil cheaper then? Do tell.
It WCS is significantly cheaper the WTI.
On May 25th, 2022, WCS was $89
On the same day WTI was $102
There....I told.....lol
Lol, yes you did but I don't think 10 percent less is going to calm the masses.
Quote from: Katfish on May 28, 2022, 04:40:22 PM
We imported 7% of our oil from Russia, prices have increased 100%, what else has changed..........
https://www.nytimes.com/explain/2022/03/09/business/gas-oil-russia-ukraine
Global market demand and supply. When gas was below $3 a gallon it was primarily due to Saudi dumping on the market to bankrupt US shale producers who need consistent prices above $3 to turn a profit and justify investment for new wells. They did a good job of that. Search US drill counts and look for a by year chart of the counts. The highest count was during the Obama years just before Saudi opened the tap which they can do since their oil doesn't have to be fracked. Same with Russia.
In a balanced market you will never see prices below $3 and price will consistently go higher as the easy oil in the US doesn't exist anymore and each new well costs more than the prior. Self sufficiency will take a balanced portfolio that includes oil, solar, wind, and energy efficiency. More drilling by itself will not work. Doing a combined approach has the added benefits of more jobs at home, not funding unfriendly undemocratic governments and being forward looking for future generations. The politicians with a one way approach on both sides are all lying to you. It is time we bring our manufacturing home and take advantage of our technology. The next chip to fall against us will be China and that will be fugly. Companies investing in China should look at Russia and take note, it won't be cheaper once you factor in they don't want half. They want it all.
What baffles me is that we are at a precipice of major change. Just like when we transitioned from the horse and buggy to the automobile. We can either take on the challenge and figure out how to benefit from the change or we can play the "stick the head on the sand" game and end up with a less than desirable outcome. Make a plan and stick to it where you are not beholden on others. Use resources like a bridge to other alternative sources. This will get you to where you want to go. Embrace change.
I remember one of my Econ Professors telling me "We will never run out of Petroleum on Earth" he then proceeded to say that the amount of money to get the last drop of oil out of the ground would not be economical and hence no one would bother.
We are talking finite resources here folks. Resources don't last forever - never have and never will. What makes all the difference is how you react and embrace the change instead of trying to buck it. Some one else will figure it out if you do not.
I think most of us agree that we need new technology and power sources other than gas and oil and we need to keep investing in them. What myself and many others disagree on is it being forced on us now before it is viable and at the same time trying to force out oil and gas power.
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Quote from: MKA on May 30, 2022, 08:16:09 AM
Quote from: Katfish on May 28, 2022, 04:40:22 PM
We imported 7% of our oil from Russia, prices have increased 100%, what else has changed..........
https://www.nytimes.com/explain/2022/03/09/business/gas-oil-russia-ukraine
Global market demand and supply. When gas was below $3 a gallon it was primarily due to Saudi dumping on the market to bankrupt US shale producers who need consistent prices above $3 to turn a profit and justify investment for new wells. They did a good job of that. Search US drill counts and look for a by year chart of the counts. The highest count was during the Obama years just before Saudi opened the tap which they can do since their oil doesn't have to be fracked. Same with Russia.
In a balanced market you will never see prices below $3 and price will consistently go higher as the easy oil in the US doesn't exist anymore and each new well costs more than the prior. Self sufficiency will take a balanced portfolio that includes oil, solar, wind, and energy efficiency. More drilling by itself will not work. Doing a combined approach has the added benefits of more jobs at home, not funding unfriendly undemocratic governments and being forward looking for future generations. The politicians with a one way approach on both sides are all lying to you. It is time we bring our manufacturing home and take advantage of our technology. The next chip to fall against us will be China and that will be fugly. Companies investing in China should look at Russia and take note, it won't be cheaper once you factor in they don't want half. They want it all.
So absolutely nothing to do with an antagonistic administration that openly advocated for the demise of the oil industry?
If walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....................
Quote from: MKA on May 30, 2022, 07:51:13 AM
Quote from: dodj on May 28, 2022, 04:24:40 PM
Quote from: MKA on May 28, 2022, 01:26:07 PM
Oh Canada why isn't your oil cheaper then? Do tell.
It WCS is significantly cheaper the WTI.
On May 25th, 2022, WCS was $89
On the same day WTI was $102
There....I told.....lol
Every little bit helps. Lol
But the point I was trying to make is why not try to supply ourselves rather than rely on.... well.... Russia, Saudi, Venezuela. Canada is never going to show the USA the Middle finger and shut off supply. Other countries could conceivably do that.
Lol, yes you did but I don't think 10 percent less is going to calm the masses.
Central Florida,
$4.75 for 87
Well I never thought I would see $5.00 a gallon here in Michigan but it is now a reality. This will definitely affect my activities this summer and already planning what I can and am willing to do. At this point, I don't think I will be getting the hardtop out of storage as the car runs on Turbo Blue and premium. I would expect a tank of gas will probably cost me $150 to $200. The convertible uses premium which although is ridiculous . . Still have to have the MOPAR fix for the summer. Carlisle cost just went through the roof, I wonder who else will not make the show due to fuel cost?
I will probably spend about 1600+ in gasoline. :barf:
Quote from: cuda hunter on June 02, 2022, 08:33:17 PM
I will probably spend about 1600+ in gasoline. :barf:
I still plan to attend at this point but with the outrageous hotel cost and the price of gas, I assume some will not come?
Just within my small circle of friends who has attended Carlisle in the past, I am seeing close to half of them deciding not to come due to the effects of the increased fuel and lodging expenses. Granted most of them have an eight plus hour drive one way, but even a couple of the guys who are only two hour outs have decided to only come down for one day vs two or three days.
Looking at Gas Buddy, regular gas in Carlisle is at $4.70 per gallon and diesel is at $6.00 per gallon. If projections hold true, then it is most likely that gas will be over $5.00 per gallon and diesel close to $7.00 per gallon by the time that Carlisle gets here.
Thankfully here in Georgia, our state has removed the state road taxes on fuel purchases which is a reduction of $0.32 on a gallon of gas and $0.29 on a gallon of diesel. They started this back in the first of April and is set to run to July 14th. I believe that the Federal road taxes on a gallon of gas is around $0.18. Just don't understand why they are not looking at eliminating that tax for the next couple of months to help the consumer out.
Some crazy Canadian math.....My HEMI Ram loves to drink gas around town....myself, and two kids use it for short little jaunts all the time :headbang: so I'm getting around 500 KMS out of a full tank....easily 700 or so on the highway....
ANYWAYS.....I just filled up two days ago....cost me $250.00 CDN to fill up....here's where the math comes in... :brainiac: That means I use roughly $0.50 worth of gas per kilometer.... think about it....Today I took a quick 15 min drive(each way) to my body shop and back....for shits and giggles, I clocked the distance, 20.9 KMS one way....
THAT MEANS....I spent $20 worth of gas for crap sakes ....you know how many times I make that drive ? That's frickin crazy... :pullinghair:
Quote from: Spikedog08 on June 02, 2022, 08:43:30 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on June 02, 2022, 08:33:17 PM
I will probably spend about 1600+ in gasoline. :barf:
I still plan to attend at this point but with the outrageous hotel cost and the price of gas, I assume some will not come?
I am still going, I have thought about just taking the truck and leaving the enclosed trailer and cuda home but I have only brought it once so I am saving up for fuel $$. I fully expect premium to hit $6.00 a gallon in this area soon which is what I run in the cuda, I run 89 octane in the Hemi Ram and sometimes mix in 91 or 93 when towing. It`s going to hurt but I`ll just cut back on local cruising and be a bit more frugal on things like Dunkins coffees etc.
Y'all don't even want to see my company credit card at the end of the month! :steamingmad: I ran 17,000 miles for May!
I honestly feel bad for my customers as (like almost all other businesses) I pass the increases directly on to them.
The small advantages to what I do is that I don't have time to drive much for pleasure & when I need to shop, I can stop while on a trip so I don't have to make a special trip. Make no mistake though....If I want to take one of the cars out (no matter how much it costs) I am going to.
We just need to hold out through this summer & fall....Things will get better in all aspects come November!
God Bless
Bill
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Quote from: Bills Auto Works on June 09, 2022, 05:48:31 AM
We just need to hold out through this summer & fall....Things will get better in all aspects come November!
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Hopefully!
Why will things change in November?
$5.25/gal for 86 octane in North East Indiana. Never thought I'd see it.
Quote from: PLY474 on June 09, 2022, 07:29:20 AM
$5.25/gal for 86 octane in North East Indiana. Never thought I'd see it.
30 second mark to 45 second mark. We were warned.
Oh, of course trump telling us that this was going to happen is going to be censored on here and elsewhere. I'm surprised it's still on youtube.
If you believe in truth, just watch it.
Seriously, It's just 15 seconds. 30 sec to 45 sec. It shouldn't offend anyone in 15 seconds.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Os2v6BTo0&t=31s
Here he is again predicting the obvious future.
45 seconds to 1 min 10 seconds. Pretty short amount to watch. We were forewarned.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFosCJKjPtw
Here is biden blaming russia.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X0wjOTJPcU
As usual, bidens words are hard to hear as the "recording" of this s.o.t.u. speech is almost muted. How surprising.
Go to 1 min 30 seconds and watch a few minutes of that train wreck.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB1afkAaVKk
Here is biden telling us that he has worked with 30 countries to release our
special oil reserves to help us regular people.
No need for emergency oil reserves right?
And here is biden's plan to fix these gas prices.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2JNWT8gdRA
Charge fees to those who are not using wells that sit idle.
Release 180 million barrels of our own strategic emergency war time oil reserves.
Here is a video of the person in the administration that is supposed to understand all this.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXZ2-xDIytI
What a joke.
And here we (Americans) are told that the economy is in the best shape ever! Records being set for low unemployment and great gains happening.
If that's the case we should see some easing of the gas prices right?
Or does our entire record setting economy not have anything to do with the gas prices.
As we have been told on this thread, biden is not in control of the oil. Neither is his administration. It's all the oil companies that have caused this right? Because they won't invest in drilling after the president says that he is going to transition out of oil?
Who in their right mind would invest in anything if the president is telling you that he is going to go after YOUR company?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTc03vZzCeU
Oh wait !!
Here is the answer! It's just 30 seconds long. And it effects all of us here with our cuda's.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T01rGfBAvnY
So, she is not effected by the high prices made that way by the "whimms" of the oil companies.
We are supposed to get ourselves an ev car and use a fuel that has no cost or pollution. She doesn't even need to worry about the cost of electricity. It's clean and cheap.
Just ask California how cheap electricity is, when it is available.
Coal, does this. Look how magnificently clean and green it is.
Quote from: blown motor on June 09, 2022, 07:24:40 AM
Why will things change in November?
If all goes as planned, the "Red Tsunami" should put a halt to the efforts to destroy the country as we know it & should give us the power to override vetoes of laws written to get us back to energy independence, cut regulations, open the areas for drilling closed a year & a half ago, etc,etc
God Bless
Bill
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LET'S GO BRANDEN!!!!!!! :yes:
Quote from: JS29 on June 09, 2022, 01:23:21 PM
LET'S GO BRANDEN!!!!!!! :yes:
Yep, I'm sure this is all the Bad Orange Man's fault..............
On a positive note, no more mean tweets, and crime has gone down, right?
Let's watch the politics, posting videos is one thing, but when the personal opinions start flying that's something entirely different and not something we want on this site... :alan2cents:
Quote from: blown motor on June 09, 2022, 07:24:40 AM
Why will things change in November?
The hope is Republicans will have a majority in the House and possibly even the Senate, not sure if it "fix" anything but it should at least keep things from getting worse. Unfortunately 2024 is still a long ways off.
Last night I was driving home from a meeting and needed to fill up my Dart. I am glad I kept it as a beater when I bought my 2500 last year, as its 30-35mpg sure makes life a bit less dire today!
I saw a station at $5.77 and whipped into it, as all the other stations in the Chicago west burbs were $5.85 and up. By my house in the suburbs near Chicago the station is $5.99. I was cheered up a bit by the sticker on the pump, the price didn't come out in my picture but it was $5.77.9.
I think things look pretty bleak going forward regardless of what happens in November. As I mentioned earlier, the situation for energy production companies has become very negative in recent times. There is a disincentive to work at growing capacity. No new refinery has been built in decades, and it is highly unlikely another one will ever be built. In fact, some are getting long in the tooth and closing, so refining capacity is actually going down. Developing oil fields requires capital, and due to the fact that carbon has become the boogeyman, banks and hedgefunds don't want to lend money to energy companies.
I think the direction oil companies are going is to follow is the path that big tobacco took when they ended up getting attacked and demonized. They learned to find ways to remain profitable after scaling down. So the oil companies can save themselves, but the consumers end up caught in the middle and will suffer from shortages.
In the meantime, it is ironic and a clear demonstration of how government can't do anything right, the power companies are shutting down power plants that are fueled by demonized energy sources like coal, natural gas and nuclear, at the same time we are supposed to be transitioning to EVs, which require a great increase in electric generating capacity.
Several coal plants recently closed in southern IL, and they are warning of brownouts and blackouts. The state's government says no worries, we can just make up for shortfalls by purchasing powe from other states. That sounds like a wonderful plan... until it isn't.
A nuclear plant in Michigan is shutting down now too, with the loss of its contribution to the grid similarly going to be made up by wishful thinking.
It seems sheer madness to me, in order to save the world from climate change, we are destroying transportation and electricity production, in other words destroying everyone's standard of living and causing a great deal of suffering to "save us".
I just don't see how this stupidity the west is engaged in with unrealistic policies can be turned around.
Might want to find yourself a nice cave in the wilderness to live in, with stream full of fish and a forest full of firewood to burn for heat if you want to survive. :alan2cents:
:wrenching: Reminds me of the Obama and Biden years when they were pushing for Solar Panels and Wind energy and Gas prices started approaching $5.00 in Texas, everybody filling up at the gas stations cussing and wanting to go after the gas station owners because they were sure that they were to blame not the Administration. Many politicians got filthy rich pumping cash into Solindra then cashing out when the stock hit it's high... History repeats itself what goes around comes around. Everything done is done with a reason and a goal. Common Sense needs to come back into play in our society otherwise we will be wishing for the bare necessities and not find them.....
Northwest Washington, gas is 5.85 at the cheap end. At least I can fire up my car while I look at it.
They are all becoming museum peices in front of our eyes.
Bigger issue is the lack electricity this summer.
The are forecasting brownouts. No a/c, no refrigerator , no alarm system for your business.
Should be fun.
Yes, I am negative but prepared.
Quote from: Mr Cuda on June 10, 2022, 09:44:13 AM
Bigger issue is the lack electricity this summer.
The are forecasting brownouts. No a/c, no refrigerator , no alarm system for your business.
Should be fun.
WHAT ????
How am I going to charge my Tesla this Summer ??? :pullinghair: :pullinghair:
This situation is happening all over the country now. And they are telling us to buy EVs if you don't like skyrocketing gas prices. Where is the electricity coming from to charge them when they are already threatening brownouts due to the generating capacity decreasing?
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/experts-warn-of-blackouts-potential-energy-emergency-due-to-stressed-out-power-grid/article_101c3974-e6a1-11ec-ae37-cb9a449f1390.html
Quote from: torredcuda on June 10, 2022, 06:26:19 AM
Quote from: blown motor on June 09, 2022, 07:24:40 AM
Why will things change in November?
The hope is Republicans will have a majority in the House and possibly even the Senate, not sure if it "fix" anything but it should at least keep things from getting worse. Unfortunately 2024 is still a long ways off.
:)) Are you not aware that fuel prices are up the world over? A change in gov't is not going change that. If the world price keeps going up the US price will too no what form the gov't takes.
Just went out and filled the cuda for the week end car shows. Here regular(87 oct) is now at $5.05, premium (91) is $5.50. Put in just over 11 gal. and it cost me 65.00. I bet we hit 6.00 later this summer. :thumbdown:
Quote from: blown motor on June 10, 2022, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: torredcuda on June 10, 2022, 06:26:19 AM
Quote from: blown motor on June 09, 2022, 07:24:40 AM
Why will things change in November?
The hope is Republicans will have a majority in the House and possibly even the Senate, not sure if it "fix" anything but it should at least keep things from getting worse. Unfortunately 2024 is still a long ways off.
:)) Are you not aware that fuel prices are up the world over? A change in gov't is not going change that. If the world price keeps going up the US price will too no what form the gov't takes.
But, like a captain of a ship is responsible for anything that happens to the ship, so it is for a head of state. And high gas prices, for whatever reason, is a big problem for the American head of state. Probably more so than any other country.
Made a 1600 + mile road trip across Texas a couple weeks ago.
It seemed as if about 25% of the windmills were not turning.
More nodding donkeys were pumping than were a few months ago.
Just today saw a driller setup about 3 miles away from home , Drill Baby Drill !!!
You will have nothing and like it.
Get used to it, we have another 2-2.5 more years with this shit..
$4.90 for 87, I calculated it cost me $0.25 per mile to drive my 06 Mustang.
Went golfing and it was $30 for the round and $15 to get there and back.........
I really don't see how a recession isn't imminent, I'll have to start golfing every other week, then it just snowballs.
That trickle down thing is real, especially here in the US where we really don't produce anything.
https://weather.com/news/weather/video/us-power-grid-will-struggle-to-keep-up-with-demand-this-summer-experts-say?cm_ven=hp-slot-2&fbclid=IwAR3VxDl3EW5T3GuExzyWe70dB-uYSzto6TrXyj9znJHAqlxWn1azsR9XyxE
ESG scores to coerce companies to transform thier practices - https://www.heartland.org/publications-resources/publications/financial-institutions-are-expanding-esg-social-credit-scores-to-target-individuals-small-businesses
I still don`t buy the argument the Biden (or more accurately his administration seeing his is incoherant and oblivious to everything going on) doesn`t affect gas prices. Current administration is pushing EVs and trying to outlaw gas powered vehicles by 2035, why would oil companies still invest in new refining?
"WHY IS U.S. REFINING DOWN?
Some refineries that produce gasoline, jet fuel, diesel and other petroleum products shut down during the first year of the pandemic, when demand collapsed. While a few are expected to boost capacity in the next year or so, others are reluctant to invest in new facilities because the transition to electric vehicles will reduce demand for gasoline over the long run.
The owner of one of the nation's largest refineries, in Houston, announced in April that it will close the facility by the end of next year."
https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-world/gas-prices-explainer/507-10917a6a-3005-42ec-85a3-c2fe053ef0bd?fbclid=IwAR0m04tyYyu5d7TTXOF5KDggkrjshQqkF1zqxQubmd77Qc_3krMh_VUVF7k
The Citgo by me in Montgomery, Alabama is now $4.69 for 87, I'm still putting non ethanol from a different location in my 16 Challenger R/T and it's $5.63 for 89. The Challenger gets better gas mileage, but my 2001 Durango is in the driveway with a full tank for now should I need it.
The nearby Wal-Mart Marketplace is $4.48 for 87.
The above prices are as of this weekend. :popcorn:
Worldwide traded conglomerate in a world market, the US definitely sets some trends for the world. Then they blamed Russia for the gas prices long after it had already been skyrocketing. 🥴
We are the world`s largest producer and also the largest consumer, anything we do affects the global market.
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=709
Got CHEAP gas yesterday.... only $4.99 ! (regular) Everyone else here is @ 5.09/5.19 wooohooo :haha: :haha: :haha:
Personally, the increase in gas prices just has me reallocating funds in my budget. An extra $60 per week that gas costs me now can easily be taken from another frill like eating out or some purchase that would be put in the 'I really don't need it that bad' category. My Hellcat loves gas but I've learned to chill out a bit on the accelerator. I'm adapting to the changing environment.
What does have me concerned is the increased costs to truckers and other transportation agents. Those individuals really don't have any way to re-allocate.
Second, yes home energy and business energy costs are a big one. Having alternative energy is a romantic thought but it's not realistic and certainly not sufficient for the growing demands of this country.
I'd love to have a one on one with AOC and really pick her brain - see if she really knows what she's talking about. I'm open to all discussions as long as they are informed and truthful.
I'd have a one on one with aoc as well.. ;) :drooling:
That's great that you have the ability to allocate funds.
The check to check people that are already doing without don't have very many options
Quote from: Mopsquad on June 13, 2022, 10:47:06 AM
Personally, the increase in gas prices just has me reallocating funds in my budget. An extra $60 per week that gas costs me now can easily be taken from another frill like eating out or some purchase that would be put in the 'I really don't need it that bad' category. My Hellcat loves gas but I've learned to chill out a bit on the accelerator. I'm adapting to the changing environment.
What does have me concerned is the increased costs to truckers and other transportation agents. Those individuals really don't have any way to re-allocate.
Second, yes home energy and business energy costs are a big one. Having alternative energy is a romantic thought but it's not realistic and certainly not sufficient for the growing demands of this country.
I'd love to have a one on one with AOC and really pick her brain - see if she really knows what she's talking about. I'm open to all discussions as long as they are informed and truthful.
Quote from: FSHTAIL on June 13, 2022, 01:08:56 PM
That's great that you have the ability to allocate funds.
The check to check people that are already doing without don't have very many options
Quote from: Mopsquad on June 13, 2022, 10:47:06 AM
Personally, the increase in gas prices just has me reallocating funds in my budget. An extra $60 per week that gas costs me now can easily be taken from another frill like eating out or some purchase that would be put in the 'I really don't need it that bad' category. My Hellcat loves gas but I've learned to chill out a bit on the accelerator. I'm adapting to the changing environment.
What does have me concerned is the increased costs to truckers and other transportation agents. Those individuals really don't have any way to re-allocate.
Second, yes home energy and business energy costs are a big one. Having alternative energy is a romantic thought but it's not realistic and certainly not sufficient for the growing demands of this country.
I'd love to have a one on one with AOC and really pick her brain - see if she really knows what she's talking about. I'm open to all discussions as long as they are informed and truthful.
I can't speak for those people and I aware that that demographic is growing. It's terrible I agree. There is no cookbook answer, I'm speaking personally that I've just cut back on unnecessary spending and used those funds to keep gas in my classics.
Federal minimum wage is still $7.25 I believe. I know many states are higher, but still you have to feel for people who would have to work an hour to buy barely over a gallon of gas.
Others can say well I guess I might just cut back to only one glass of Chateau Lafite when I go out to eat at my favorite 4 star restaurant.
And some it doesn't phase them at all.
I was talking to a friend of mine who is an A&P mechanic working for a family owned corporation that owns two business jets. I asked if they were cutting back on flying the jets and he said no, not really. He said fuel is just one component of owning the planes, and that conversation got me thinking a bit about my own malaise about fuel costs skyrocketing.
Maybe those jets cost $10,000,000 a year to operate between fuel, hanger, insurance, loans, maintenance, salaries for him and the pilots etc. Maybe fuel is 10% of that cost.
Fuel doubles, but the yearly cost of the jets doesn't double, if everything else stayed the same, the costs go up 10% not 100%. This year they will have to spend $11,000,000.
I am not eager to drive my 6.4 Ram that gets around 16 mpg and am driving my old beater Dart a lot this year that gets about double the mpg. But the costs to own the Ram haven't gone up 90% this year, only gas is. I have a $500 monthly payment, insurance might be $600 a year, plates are $200, oil changes etc. If I drive it 5000 miles a year that is 312 gallons of gas. Last year if gas averaged $3.25 here, that was $1015 for gas. This year, if gas averages $5.75 that will cost me $1800 for gas.
But my "fixed costs" if you include an oil change and some other odds and ends are about $7000. So last year it cost me $8000, and this year about $8800. Like operating those jets, my cost has gone up 10%. It only feels like it has gone up close to double because filling up in the most visible of costs.
Anyway, thinking about what my friend told me about his employers jets got me thinking about the "big picture" and helped put things in perspective.
Another $800 a year won't kill me. I'm losing that on paper with my stocks and bonds by the hour in recent months. :crying:
It is the people at the lower end of the financial scale that really suffer from inflation. When you live paycheck to paycheck, if your costs go up then you don't have the money to spare and suffer.
Your math is a little off, gas isn't the only thing that's gone up.
Have you changed your oil lately, I just paid over double, that's a 100% increase for the oil and filter to change my daughter's oil.
If you shop for groceries, you realize that has gone up 15-25% too.
As mentioned gas is the most visible, because it's needed all the time
Our whole economy is based in 1 form or another on petroleum and the products derived and delivered.
This is a nightmare in the early stages
Quote from: JH27N0B on June 13, 2022, 02:57:41 PM
Federal minimum wage is still $7.25 I believe.
Minimums are set by province here in Canada but I think $14 is the lowest mw now. Just FYI.
:o
The big question is....WILL THEY EVER GO BACK DOWN to where they were six months ago, or a year ago ????
Regardless of the excuses why the prices have doubled, if the big companies see that we still have to buy it no matter the price, why would they ever lower it again ?
If you use to sell Mopar project cars for $5K, then you raised your price to $10K then $20K and people were still buying them....then why the heck would you ever give them away for $5K again ???
If it stays at $5 + a gallon do you think people will start selling thier big gas guzzlers and buy smaller cars or EVs similar to the gas crisis of the `70`s when sub-compacts become hot sellers or will we just suck it up and pay the prices?
Quote from: anlauto on June 15, 2022, 05:48:41 AM
The big question is....WILL THEY EVER GO BACK DOWN to where they were six months ago, or a year ago ????
Regardless of the excuses why the prices have doubled, if the big companies see that we still have to buy it no matter the price, why would they ever lower it again ?
If you use to sell Mopar project cars for $5K, then you raised your price to $10K then $20K and people were still buying them....then why the heck would you ever give them away for $5K again ???
Yes, it will go down because it is a commodity whose availability and demand is always variable, unlike a classic Cuda of which no more are being made and demand remains high.
For example:
GW Bush's administration saw gas prices rise from a low of $1.48 to a high of $4.09 via their policies and the global war on terror. A global recession in 2008 drove it down to $1.71.
BH Obama's administration took over at $1.71, and saw a peak price at $4.12 due to the recovery from the recession. By the end of this administration, it was down to $1.87.
DJ Trump took over at $1.87 and prices slowly increase to $3.05. During a global pandemic, prices dropped to $1.91. When he left office it was back up to $2.49.
So in this century there is a constantly shifting range of prices. While high now, they will come down. Of course, they could also go higher if the hurricane season is bad and refineries are impacted and demand continues to increase.
The freedom of easy mobility is actually a fairly recent development that only came about in the last 4 generations. Prior to that, not everyone could afford a horse or a mule, a barn, and the feed to take care of it. Will cars eventually head that way too, I dunno?
This was on the pump today. First I have found under $5.00 for a while.
The best hope now for prices to come down is demand destruction, and that may be starting to happen.
Basic laws of supply and demand.
But even if that happens, it surely won't be permanent and prices will jump when demand increases.
The underlying issue today that I don't see reason for hope of improving is that we've lost refinery capacity, and due to the hostile political environment towards carbon fuels and uncertain future outlook for gas and oil with the push toward EVs, no new refineries will be built, and it's questionable if some shuttered during the pandemic demand crash of 2020 will ever be up and running again.
So not enough gasoline being produced to satisfy demand equals a lot of problems going forward. :headbang:
I would guess prices will stay above $5 thru the summer. Now we have a refinery capacity issue on top of the supply issue. The shale producers are starting to ramp up. Would think relief below $4 is on the way in 6 - 12 months but I wouldn't expect to see prices below $3 dollars ever again. The shale producers need prices in the 3-4 dollar range and without Russia they will probably stay there.
I would also expect this will drive more to smaller cars or EVs. The manufactures seem to all be going the EV or hybrid route. but also more to other energy efficiency devices if people can afford the premium cost. In the last 4 years, I replaced my AC unit with a high efficiency heat pump, my pool pump to variable and my water heater to a GE hybrid (heat pump). Net cost was $13K with the ac being $11K of that. Annual savings were about 1600 dollars. Pays for itself in less than 10 years and all those things have a useful life beyond that.
The government needs to do its part to help drive scale. Purchasing hybrid car fleets and postal trucks etc. Saw something where the post office was going with gas guzzlers for the cheaper upfront price can't imagine that math is still working and even if it does they should be leading if they are going to mandate for the rest of us.
I'm Pretty happy with my 2018 GMC truck (sorry) it has the 6.2 liter with the motor that cuts to 4 cylinders when not needed. I average 20 mpg which beats the heck out of the fords I used to have that only got 13 mpg max. I understand they do it thru the lifters and that can be a problem later but for now I am happy with a V8 getting 20 on average.
So yes would expect both the supply and the demand side to help but it's going to take time.
My 2021 Ram 6.4 crew cab has shown over 20mpg on the dash readout on highway trips and it's average since I bought it is over 16 mpg.
My back of napkin calcs when I fill up is that the dash readout is a bit optimistic, maybe by as much as 1 mpg. But that's still very impressive for a 3/4 truck! My 95 Ram 1500 "day cab" 5.9 averaged 13-14 mpg with 17+ highway. And it replaced a 79 Bronco 351 2 bbl that barely had enough power to get out of its own way and got 8-9 mpg (with a tail wind :haha:).
So engine technology has come a long long way, and I hate to see it getting tossed out the window going all in towards EV, which I don't see as practical for most. Or nearly as "environmentally friendly" as they are claimed to be.
I work for a truck and bus OEM and there's a big amount of work going on now with EV. During a team meeting earlier this week I asked my boss if anything else is being worked on that he knows of, especially hybrid. Hybrid is the only way I see to improve things that is practical. He said he thought some work was being done with hydrogen, but otherwise no.
I'm glad I'm getting close to retirement is all I can say on that.
I've rebuilt four motors due to the AFM systems. I hate them.
Sure, if you can go buy a new truck every few years they work great.
Any AFM system with mileage is just asking to fry some lifters. No longevity.
Or I just have bad luck and I don't drive like a grandma.
Quote from: cuda hunter on June 18, 2022, 09:12:33 AM
I've rebuilt four motors due to the AFM systems. I hate them.
Sure, if you can go buy a new truck every few years they work great.
Any AFM system with mileage is just asking to fry some lifters. No longevity.
Or I just have bad luck and I don't drive like a grandma.
It's interesting you say that. On the new Challenger forum, people are also complaining about lifter failure on the 5.7 and 6.4 Hemi's that have 4 cylinder deactivation. The recommendation there is to always drive in sport mode so the cylinders don't deactivate.
It would be interesting to get some insight from Stellantis engine engineers on the subject. There could be more to the picture than just the cylinder deactivation feature.
For example, I do know these engines are very sensitive to needing oil changes done on time and proper oil grade used.
Many people don't get their oil changed by the recommended miles. One of the many reasons I do my own oil changes is I don't trust the mechanics or techs, I've even heard of dealers service departments using wrong grade oil in customers cars not just the quick lube joints. The 6.4 uses 0w 40, not using 0W 40 is asking for trouble and some lazy tech or shop cheaping out on oil might be all it takes to fubar an engine.
This is one of those situations where you need to study warranty data to know for sure, a few random reports doesn't tell much. Im sure there's cases where oil changes were done on time and correct oil used, and problems still happened. But what is the failure rate in those cases, 1%, 50%? It makes a difference to me deciding whether I should stay in tow haul mode all the time or let cylinder deactivation do it's thing and save me money.
Only warranty data would tell give the true answer.
Mine were all gmc's. First one failed at 170K. I rebuilt it stock. Failed lifter again at 5K. Oil changed correctly. Stayed in the deactivation mode. I was warned to get the module to turn off the cylinder deactivation system. I didn't get the module. It failed.
Different engine. Failed at 80K. I rebuilt stock and installed the module. It's around 40K now.
I have the first motor that I rebuilt sitting in a garage and I'm going to install the delete kit lifter system so that I don't have to use the module that tricks the computer.
I have a coworker that had his fail at 150k miles. He used the module to defeat it with the rebuilt engine
From what I have read the earlier models were a bad lifter design or manufacturing process. (Isn't every failure) but the newer are more from oil issues (dirty or wrong oil). 2019 they made another design change To dynamic fuel management (DFM) and now they are back to having lifter design or manufacturing issues at even lower mileage (10k or so)
I plan on keeping mine active at least until the warranty runs out. I hadn't realized GMC also have a speed governor set to 100 mph either due to tires or driveshaft. not that I'm doing over 100 on a regular basis but found out the hard way on a pass when some jerk blocking in the fast lane accelerated as I went to go around him on the right. Hoping module adjustment will remove that also post warranty. Final querk is using a K&N air filter can cause module failure or bad readings if the filter has been over sprayed with oil. gums up the sensors. Fun times.
I've only been able to get my gm's to go 110 downhill. All trucks.
I don't have anything newer than 17.
The 6.2 is no slouch. 420 hp. 460 torque. 0- 60 in under 6 seconds and a 14 second quarter and that's with 4 wheel drive 4 door. Only downside is the premium gas, but I'm not complaining when the fun factor is times 10. I understand the dodge trucks are faster but it's the fastest truck I have ever had and I got a relative steal buying a 2018 in November of 2018. Just before everything went bat shit crazy.
Gas prices have started to go back down here in the Raleigh, NC area. Regular 87 can now be found for as low as $4.29 while most are in the $4.39-$4.49 range. Sheetz is advertising a huge price drop for the 4th holiday. Their "88 octane" 15% ethanol gas is now at $3.99 and will remain that until July 5;th as a promotion.
PS...my older V6 Sebring runs just fine on the 88 gas.
yep, coming down here in Houston also. It is $4.29 (regular) at Exxon and $4.23 at Kroger grocery store.
By the time the gas tax holiday happens it might be cheap! :P
Filled up at noon yesterday for $1.979/L $215.00 CDN....Went back the the same gas station five hours later $1.949/L :pullinghair: Went back today at Noon....$2.049/L :looney: Ten cents/L difference in one day is crazy...
Middle of Colorado just went up 10 cents.
Our Government lifted one of the taxes so it's supposed to drop 11 cents or so tonight, July 1st :dunno:
After a lot of thinking...im convinced the prices we pay for gas, food, housing, clothing, etc is governed by one simple thing....GREED. Or said differently its "just because they can" !
Want an example? Back in 2015 my wife's Kia Sedona mini van, brakes started pulsing badly. Turns out the a caliper had gone bad, and caused the drivers side rotor to warp from the heat. So, i bought a rebuilt caliper, new pads, and brought the rotors to O'Reilleys to have them cut. Price...was $11 a rotor. Not bad.
Ok my 2008 Sebring Convertible has had the brakes pulsing for over a year, and i finally decided to have them fixed. So, in the morning i called O'Reilleys to ask if they could cut the rotors that day...they said sure... so then i asked what they charge expecting the price to go to maybe $15 because of inflation. Their response was $25 a rotor... i said you mean for a pair? NO, they said per rotor... so that is about 150% increase in 8 years. This isnt on something which is labor intensive, or consumes a lot of materials...it is simply for a service, in which they place the rotor in the machine and turn it on and it automatically adjusts and runs about 15 mins to perform its function of truing the rotor. WHY...BECAUSE THEY CAN...after all the prices are going up on just about everything, so we need to more than double the cost of this service !!!
Well...i told them..thanks but no thanks, and bought new Raybestos brand rotors from Rock Auto for $27 each...just $2 more than the cutting service !!! Oh and at Oreillys the price of new ceramic brake pads would have been $52 for a set plus tax...so there 2 cuts and pads would have been $104 pls $8 tax for $112. At Rock Auto new ceramic pads and two rotors with tax and shipping came to $92. Thank you Rock Auto !!!
This morning in Houston, at Costco! Just a $1.00 lower and we're back to "normal".
I'd love to see some $4 gas here. Maybe our Costcos areunder $5 but everything in my area is still well over $5. I got gas for $5.15 over the weekend but most stations were about $5.50.
Seems that prices are on the decline for now but us Californians are still getting punched at the pump. Paid 5.83 for premium. Off from a 7.19 high for me.
We are still at 4.80 in the mountains. Doesn't change much for us. A whole 20 cents!!
Raleigh area...lowist i saw is $3.71 for regular. Need it to drop another $1 to get back to the prices before Russia/Ukranine war
filled up at $3.62 for regular in Houston today, getting closer to normal. but honestly I'm not sure we'll ever see it below $3 again, too much turmoil and unknown supply worldwide.
Still paying over $5 for premium here in the New England, 89 for the truck is high $4`s, at least it`s coming down and didn`t go up to $6 or over.
Election is over. SPR is down to minimums. Hope you enjoyed the cheap fuel through summer.
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WGTSTUS1&f=W
Compare the chart for fuel inventories now, vs last April/May when thread started.
So true, depleted all our reserves for short term affect, elections are over and prices will go back up.
But, it's got electrolytes!....................
It looks to me like the declining pattern this year looks like the same pattern as last year when there was no election. Just saying.
I just got regular for $4.17 today in the Chicago burbs.
The lowest it got this summer was maybe mid $3's.
What some of you guys need to remember is that the governments is some states suspended their gas taxes when the prices were skyrocketing in spring.
The taxes weren't permanently canceled, just suspended for the year. So you'll be in for a rude awakening in the near future when the taxes return and gas jumps 40 or 50c.
Here in Illinois our governor suspended a gas tax increase for the year. So we saved a whopping 2.8c a gallon! :Thud:
We'll get that tax returning in January and another scheduled 2023 increase too. Wonderful....
Watching supply data and world events I'm not optimistic about fuel prices, whether your talking gasoline, diesel or natural gas, they will likely be pretty oppressive next year.
Don't forget the president draining the strategic oil reserve for months trying to manipulate gas prices. Now that the elections are over, that will be ending.
I've been lamenting egg prices lately, not that buying a dozen eggs every other week affects my financial situation much.
For years now I always paid .99 to 1.79 for eggs. Now they are $4-5 every time I look.
How did that common food item more than double in only a year?
Of course most items are way up. In another thread we were discussing car part and fluid prices skyrocketing.
The economic stability we enjoyed for several decades seems to be history. :crying:
$5.05 a few days ago in Northern CA. I expect to be paying at least another $1 per gallon in the near future
$1.62 per litre here yesterday..Times 4 for a US gallon = $6.48cdn per US gallon...then exchange (1usd=.75125cad)...= $4.87usd per gallon up here.
Diesel is $2.25 per litre....... :Thud:
In Houston : Just filled up yesterday at Exxon - $2.81, they don't charge extra for credit card purchases and get cash/points with their rewards card.
I used to go to Costco for the lowest prices around but everyone else did as well and I can't stand waiting in line! GasBuddy app shows they are $2.76.
Bargain bin pricing in CA relatively speaking ::) . I just paid $5.59 per gallon premium for the Hellcat. TG it's only 10mins to work.
Right around $3.15 a gallon in Kennesaw/Marietta area.
Joe
I put 89 octane in my Ram - $3.89 at the cheapest Irving station, 93 octane was $4.23. Fortunately I`m retired so not driving the 80 mile round trip I used to do for work.
Quote from: dodj on November 14, 2022, 01:46:01 PM
$1.62 per litre here yesterday..Times 4 for a US gallon = $6.48cdn per US gallon...then exchange (1usd=.75125cad)...= $4.87usd per gallon up here.
Diesel is $2.25 per litre....... :Thud:
Here it is two days later...gas is $1.38 per litre
Quote from: dodj on November 16, 2022, 04:42:44 AM
Here it is two days later...gas is $1.38 per litre
I see you sent your snow down here :pullinghair: you might as well send your gas prices too....It's still $1.60 around here :console:
Quote from: anlauto on November 16, 2022, 05:37:56 AM
Quote from: dodj on November 16, 2022, 04:42:44 AM
Here it is two days later...gas is $1.38 per litre
I see you sent your snow down here :pullinghair: you might as well send your gas prices too....It's still $1.60 around here :console:
Too busy sending you snow..... :))
Greater Seattle has dipped to 4.79 per, but had been over 5 for months.
High gas taxes, but now that winter formulations are here with more alcohol, price is less as they don't tax the alcohol portion. Was 10% alcohol, but state legislators just passed a bump to 15% max allowable alcohol.
All the turbo and supercharged boys call this boost season with cool temps and dry days.
You should hear them ripping with the no chase policy.
$2.899 at Costco today. :banana:
Sheetz here in eastern NC, sales both regular 87 octane with 10% ethanol, and also what they call 88 which is regular 88 octane with 15 % ethanol... The 88 currently is about 30 cents a gallon less, so it was $2.91 I use it in my daily driver...no noticable difference.
3.78 in Colorado. Still with this crappy ethanol. Worthless crap to add to gas.
Quote from: anlauto on November 16, 2022, 05:37:56 AM
Quote from: dodj on November 16, 2022, 04:42:44 AM
Here it is two days later...gas is $1.38 per litre
I see you sent your snow down here :pullinghair: you might as well send your gas prices too....It's still $1.60 around here :console:
Down to $1.19 now
Quote from: dodj on November 21, 2022, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: anlauto on November 16, 2022, 05:37:56 AM
Quote from: dodj on November 16, 2022, 04:42:44 AM
Here it is two days later...gas is $1.38 per litre
I see you sent your snow down here :pullinghair: you might as well send your gas prices too....It's still $1.60 around here :console:
Down to $1.19 now
Really? Wow $1.499 here tonight :'(
Quote from: anlauto on November 21, 2022, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: dodj on November 21, 2022, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: anlauto on November 16, 2022, 05:37:56 AM
Quote from: dodj on November 16, 2022, 04:42:44 AM
Here it is two days later...gas is $1.38 per litre
I see you sent your snow down here :pullinghair: you might as well send your gas prices too....It's still $1.60 around here :console:
Down to $1.19 now
Really? Wow $1.499 here tonight :'(
But....did you get all the snow we sent? Got more if you'd like....
Quote from: dodj on November 22, 2022, 04:21:42 AM
Quote from: anlauto on November 21, 2022, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: dodj on November 21, 2022, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: anlauto on November 16, 2022, 05:37:56 AM
Quote from: dodj on November 16, 2022, 04:42:44 AM
Here it is two days later...gas is $1.38 per litre
I see you sent your snow down here :pullinghair: you might as well send your gas prices too....It's still $1.60 around here :console:
Down to $1.19 now
Really? Wow $1.499 here tonight :'(
But....did you get all the snow we sent? Got more if you'd like....
Not so much in my area I see more grass than snow looking out the window this morning....I think you over shot us and sent it to Buffalo :haha: :haha:
Due to travel I've seen lots of different prices lately . Here this morning (Milwaukee) 3.19 Saturday in Moundsville WV 3.69. About the same thru Ohio and Indiana. Last week in Arizona from around 4.09 I went between Flagstaff to Prescott to Phoenix. Saw prices even higher in Nevada This is all for regular Seems western states got it the worst.
Had to fill up my truck this morning. Reg. was $4.21 / premium $4.51 here in Idaho (Boise).
I think this is country wide. Sheetz is selling their "88" gas which is 88 octane with up to 15% ethanol at $1.99 per gallon at their stores as part of the give america a break for the Thanksgiving holiday the entire week. I filled up my Sebring with it yesterday at their Fuquay-Varina, NC store.
While there i noticed that while their 87 regular was still at $3.35 per gallon, their 89 plus was $3.45 and 93 octane was at $3.55. Going to take my 74 Challenger there to fill up on the 93.
Got premium for $5.29 here in Palm Springs. Woo hoo! ::)
$2.549 at Costco today.
Chili, NY. A suburb of Rochester. $3.46 at Byrne Dairy, a very popular spot, and across the road at the Sunoco the cash price was $2.99!!! Credit card was $3.09!
ugh, $4.50ish in Sacramento Ca depending where you go.
Here in the Raleigh, NC area, regular is at most places $2.99 gallon, i filled my daily up two days ago for $2.87. 93 octane runs around $3.75 gal most places. Most experts expect prices to drop back to the $2.50 gal rate as there is a GLUT of oil on the markets despite the russia/Ukraine war.
$3 here in Central FL,
So is this Putin's price drop?
YES.
Russia, Russia, Russia...
Actually it's largely China China China. They keep shutting down due to Covid outbreaks which cuts their oil demand down a lot and thus increases world supply.
Along with economic slowdowns across the globe.
Fingers crossed they keep shutting down indefinitely, otherwise all bets are off. :alan2cents:
Economics 101, supply and demand.
Putin is back at it...........
It's now $3.30 here, was $3 just last week
In France is 7.144€ the gallon :crying:
Two weeks ago gas was down to around 2.39/gallon. Just filled up. 3.15/gallon.
Joe
Quote from: Katfish on January 05, 2023, 02:17:10 PM
$3 here in Central FL,
So is this Putin's price drop?
You mean Europe's?
Quote from: worthywads on December 03, 2022, 11:01:14 PM
$2.549 at Costco today.
Good lord. I haven't seen prices that low in years it seems like. Definitely wasn't that low in most of the midwest in December.
$2.69 for regular at Exon today in Houston. If I want to wait in line at COSTCO theirs is 10 cents a gallon less.
Quote from: dodj on January 14, 2023, 04:37:13 AM
Quote from: Katfish on January 05, 2023, 02:17:10 PM
$3 here in Central FL,
So is this Putin's price drop?
You mean Europe's?
There needs to be a sarcasm font, my point was,
ALL administrations (same in the business world) shift blame for things they are party to causing, and claim credit for things they had no hand in........
Gas is currently around $3.69 here, but prices are always fairly high in northeast Illinois.
Doing my investment research, I've seen it reported that a lot of refineries are scheduled to be down for overhauls and maintenance this spring, which will certainly bring pain at the pumps for most or all of us in US this spring into summer.
Hopefully they can get the work done promptly and get the refineries back up and working full bore to get things down in time that the whole cruising season isn't hurt. I've been planning to do more trips to further away shows now that I have a rig. Moparty again but that isn't until September, but maybe Nats in August and I'd like to try to hit that MCACN summer show at the Gilmore museum in Michigan in late June. Whether gas is $3.50 or closer to $6 this summer will have a lot of effect on my motivation to be driving my 11 MPG rig much!!
I took my dart out today for a rare drive in February in connecticut gas is 3.64 but I use high test it was 5.00 per gallon cost $67 to fill it :rubeyes:
Ouch. I just filled up today with 87 octane for $2.97 a gallon here in South Carolina.
JS27
Washington State has the 3rd highest average fuel prices in the nation.
Where we live in Western Washington has the highest prices in the State...
In Tampa, Raceway gas, 3.15 for regular, 3.80 for Super. Good for now.
Here in Raleigh 87 octane is between $2.97-$3.22 and 89 ranges from $3.25 - $3.55 93 runs $3.60 - $4.25 Lately ive been putting 89 plus pint of Octane Booster in my 408 Chally and she runs just fine on that... PS...i buy the octane booster at a Dollar Store for $1.25 which when i put in 12 gallons works out to an extra .10 per gallon.
Sure wish the war between Russia and Ukraine stops soon... I would expect a .50 drop across the board once Russian oil flows freely again.
Premium gas price difference between regular is increasing, :o
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/oil-refiners-struggle-to-make-premium-gasoline/ar-AA18OJDI?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f19bb2f256704875859d961f1413c75a&ei=10
My convertible and the Magnum seem happy with 87. The two six packs not so much.
Still $3.29 in Boulder, but found $2.82 in Longmont.
When I left AZ last month it was $4.39 a gallon.
4.99 in Seattle area
Quote from: worthywads on May 15, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
Still $3.29 in Boulder, but found $2.82 in Longmont.
2.82? That is amazing really. I can't even find a co op in the eastern plains that has anything less than 3.19.
Where did you find that? Discounted from safeway with your points? Or what?
All around Colo pPgs, prices are $3.05 to 3.15. Club stores like Sams and Costco are regularly $.40-.45 cents lower per gallon.
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 15, 2023, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: worthywads on May 15, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
Still $3.29 in Boulder, but found $2.82 in Longmont.
2.82? That is amazing really. I can't even find a co op in the eastern plains that has anything less than 3.19.
Where did you find that? Discounted from safeway with your points? Or what?
Nope on Safeway points, there are 4 gas stations right off of I25 that must have a price war going on.
Well, now 15 days later I can't find anything less than 3.47. Even at the CoOp that I go to.
Prices rising again.
Quote from: worthywads on June 02, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 15, 2023, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: worthywads on May 15, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
Still $3.29 in Boulder, but found $2.82 in Longmont.
2.82? That is amazing really. I can't even find a co op in the eastern plains that has anything less than 3.19.
Where did you find that? Discounted from safeway with your points? Or what?
Nope on Safeway points, there are 4 gas stations right off of I25 that must have a price war going on.
Oh yea, the Firestone exit. Those stations there are always price fighting. Every time we go up north, we time it to fill up there. Bit of a zoo with all the traffic navigating between all teh stations and islands.
Quote from: cuda hunter on June 03, 2023, 05:49:08 AM
Well, now 15 days later I can't find anything less than 3.47. Even at the CoOp that I go to.
Prices rising again.
Yea, Suncore is doing more maintenance again and has shut down some of their capacity. They seem to do this every 2-3 months since their big problems last year.
Yippee...regular gas prices have dropped to about $2.99 at many of the stations here in the Raleigh area. Yesterday, i bought regular unleaded for $2.81 ...then on the way home i say two stations at $2.76. WOW...
Also three of the Sheetz stations were selling their "E88" at $2.49 but i was too low on gas to wait till i got to them. E88 as i understand it contains up to 15% ethanol but they call id E88 because is 88 octane, where normal unleaded is 87 and contains up to 10% Ethanol. I have used it in the past when they first started selling it as it was 50cents a gallon cheaper than 87 gas, and found no difference at all in my 2008 Sebring that had flex fuel rating. But then they started raising the price to where their E88 was only 5 cents less. Now its back to 50 cents and next tankful im buying it at $2.49...yippee !!
With all the conflict in the Middle East, the lower gas prices are mind boggling.
$2.98 at Sam's for regular, here in Central FL.
Send those prices north! 3.79 in western NY.
Quote from: Katfish on November 05, 2023, 11:08:37 AM
With all the conflict in the Middle East, the lower gas prices are mind boggling.
$2.98 at Sam's for regular, here in Central FL.
It's all supply & demand, gas "almost" always goes down in fall/winter as fewer people are taking driving vacations. The price drop has been predicted for over a month!
FYI - just paid $2.65 per gallon for regular at Exxon, in Houston.
Apparently New Yorkers don't take driving vacations because the price hasn't come down here. Lol.
$6.04 cdn a US gallon here in north western Ontario. :headbang:
Sure glad we are keeping all that Alberta oil in the ground. :pullinghair: :Stirring:
Quote from: dodj on November 05, 2023, 04:21:48 PM
$6.04 cdn a US gallon here in north western Ontario. :headbang:
Sure glad we are keeping all that Alberta oil in the ground. :pullinghair: :Stirring:
I'm doing my best to get it out of the ground but it's definitely been a battle over the last 8 years....
It's apparent the administrations from both countries failed to realize a great economy is dependent on fuel at a good price. When oil/gas spikes the economy tanks. Similar situations in the early 70's. Some leaders never learn.
Unfortunately not about learning.
It remains about controlling the narrative.
Yes, current prices are down. Because of looming winter along with a solid economic slowdown.
High fuel prices remain the current administration's plan. The higher they are, the more will convert to ev as is the long term plan/push.
Anyone else see swings of $0.10 to $0.20 Daily?
I reported $3 less than a week ago, it's now $3.25.
I sometimes see a price 10cents lower in morning on the way to work, then higher on the drive home?
Quote from: Katfish on November 07, 2023, 12:16:31 PM
Anyone else see swings of $0.10 to $0.20 Daily?
I reported $3 less than a week ago, it's now $3.25.
I sometimes see a price 10cents lower in morning on the way to work, then higher on the drive home?
Yep. All fuel sold is based on current market price. Regardless of what the actual purchase price was when station refilled. This "balances" the high and lows for the stations.
At home you can get Reg for 2.99 some places even a little less. When I just was in Nevada $4.50 range, Cheapest I saw in Phoenix 3.77, most places over $4 in Arizona
Turbo Blue has topped out at $9.99 a gallon and some stations have quit selling because their pumps only go to $9.99 a gallon. Hope it comes down soon or will not be available anywhere . .
I topped off Tuesday out in a Chicago collar county for $3.29 minus a 5c a gallon discount using my Shell rewards card, and now am glad I did. Gas went up about 50c overnight I noticed yesterday. WTH, I was getting spoiled by these low gas prices!
Oh well, driving season is basically over, I put the convertible away for winter the other day, topping off with some gas from the station near my house for $3.49 a gallon after putting a couple gallons of $6 a gallon AVgas mixed with with some Stabil 360 in the tank for my winter storage brew.
Still around $3.25 for regular or slightly below in New Hampshire, of course I put 89 in my Ram and 93 in the Barracuda so I pay around $3.50 for 89 or just over $4/gallon for 93.
Prices dropping here in the Raleigh area. Yesterday i filled up at $2.55 for regular !!!
Whoo hoo
Quote from: chargerdon on December 14, 2023, 04:38:42 AMPrices dropping here in the Raleigh area. Yesterday i filled up at $2.55 for regular !!!
Whoo hoo
Perfect I'm traveling down to Myrtle Beach area for Christmas, every bit helps!
$2.23 at my local Costco this weekend.