Ok.this is an ev2 m46.
Very rusty. Needs all floors
Trunk ,1/4s,roof,maube rockers,one rear frame has a hole in it about 4 inches long.
Front inners are decent. Basically seems like everything needs replaced.
Has title,fender tag,scoops,black grill(no headlights)
No glass. Seized motor,4 speed trans,8 3\4.
I'm gonna try to post some pics but I'm in a hospital so not used to using my phone.
So I know its gonna take a ton of metal work to do.
20k? 30k?
I'm having trouble reading the tag. I think it says "N"? 20-30k seems high. The options are all good but it needs a lot of metal work. Unless the M46 adds a lot of value I think it would be in the $10-15k range due to the rust. Although it doesn't look that rusty in the pictures.
Chuck
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$20-30k ??? I was thinking more like $4,000......Yes I see the M46 Scoops.
E63=383-4
D13=3 spd man.
bh23
N0B
EV2=Tor red
V1X=blk vinyl top
C55=bucket seats
H6X9= high trim blk seats
G36=painted racing mirrors
M21=drip mldgs
M46=quarter air scoop (simulated)
N41=dual exh
R11=am radio
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Quote from: Crocha617 on December 28, 2017, 03:48:58 AM
$20-30k ??? I was thinking more like $4,000......Yes I see the M46 Scoops.
I think he means $20K-$30K in metal work is needed. :alan2cents:
$2k would be my upper limit.
Money pit ready to suck up $50k to get to the point where it's worth $30k when finished.
Your in the hospital? Hope all is well? I'd say what ever the side scoops are worth is what the car is worth. LOL Wow what doesn't it need?
Wow! That looks rustier than I expected. What's it worth when it's done? I'd work backwards from there. If I just had to have that car I might pay up to $5k. But to me it's probably just a parts car due to the cost of restoring it. Maybe $2k.
Chuck
Car has some cool/unique options but ity`s not a v-code `cuda. $5k unless you really have to have it maybe as much as $10k but I don`t think it`s worth that much to most people.
I see 2k.
But with scoops tags and title I think 4500.
Mostly cause I'm a nut for those scoops.
Cool options but probably yard art. For a little while.
25k in metal work. 10k in paint. 10k in parts. 10k in labor.
So. 55k to make a 30k car.
Does that sound right to yal.
Quote from: Brads70 on December 28, 2017, 05:27:32 AM
Your in the hospital? Hope all is well?
Long story. I'm fine. Dad almost died like 3 times. Been at hospital since last Wednesday. But hes alive so .....could be worse.
I hope all go's well for you and your father!! :fingerscrossed:
It's unfortunate that you have to take in "resale value" when contemplating the restoration of this car. :bigmoney:
This is not only an unique car because of the M46 side scoops, but the 383 4bbl 3spd make it a very rare Barracuda, like 1 of 52 :unbelievable: , numbers matching in a great colour combo....
If there ever was a M46 car to restore this has to be one of the rarest.....and best optioned in my opinion....
I say, buy it up...send it to me with about $70K USD and I'll make it look better than new.....You'll have one of the most unique and rare Barracudas on the planet, rarer then any Hemicuda !
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 28, 2017, 06:04:36 AM
I see 2k.
55k to make a 30k car.
Does that sound right to yal.
Exactly, see my previous post
No brainer. I would think you'd kick yourself for not paying 8K or under with title/fender tag/#motor/door decal. But if it was 10K, what's 2,000 more a handful of years from now sitting looking at a great optioned and restored M46 that you love? Of course its underwater right when loaded on the trailer, that is until you sell it to that other guy with a M46 fetish.
Couple things.
Non numbers motor. Non numbers trans
One scoop is metal and rusted pretty bad.
The other scoop is aluminum and not terrible.
Interesting that both scoops are on the same car.
This fella has had the car for something like 40 years.
Passed away and widow sold it to the current owner who brought it home a few days ago.
This was a car that was a seco day purchase as he bought an fk5 v code 4 speed. And a 70 fy1 340 car with package.
So it was initially a parts car in his mind I think. Probably paid 500 for it. He Will make a kiling when I buy it I'm sure
Interesting car for sure! Looks like it could of been under water . . . quite the project! :drunk:
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 28, 2017, 08:20:19 AM
he bought an fk5 v code 4 speed. And a 70 fy1 340 car with package.
So it was initially a parts car in his mind I think. Probably paid 500 for it
Oooh, so he likes his mopars, hopefully he doesn't like this particular AMD patient so much. Maybe 2-4K with a couple parts he's looking for will get it for ya? Good find and good luck.
You should consider psychological testing and evaluation... You have an addiction... Not just any car.... Not just any Mopar.... The rustiest crustiest M46 Barracuda..... But I gotta admit, this one has more potential then the last one.... It's cool, it's rare.... But it's a huge money pit....
Rare does not equal BIG :bigmoney:. I have a 71 Gran Coupe with a 383. 79 automatics and 16 4 speeds, and they will not bring near as much as a 71 Cuda. I virtually see little value with the amount of excessive rust. You even said the scoops were only so so. The rust bucket is only worth what any of the good parts will bring. We know you have an obsession with the M46, and in my opinion, you should keep looking for a better example. Quit showing your hole card with the seller by having so much interest or he will hold firm. Most people looking for a project will not give this one a second look. Just because you can afford it does not make it a good investment.
Hope things get better for your dad Josh. :unitedstates:
Eh: Rare combo and actually a really neat car when new. That is probably the coolest side scoop car you will ever find. Thing is though it is hooped, tough call and only you can make the call because you're into the scoops more than anyone else I would wager. No matter if you pay $1k for it or $20k for it you will be upside down so it sort of doesn't matter, personally I couldn't possibly give more than $2k for it but you'll have to make your own call. One thing to remember is that I am sure no one else in the world would possibly give more than $5k for it so don't let him pressure you into overpaying.
Your right, as with several other posts. I will buy the car. I'd kick myself if I didn't get it.
Like you said, I've been looking for years for one. (would prefer one I could just throw a motor in and drive)
It just figures, I've been looking for years. I end up in the hospital with a father who is dying and this car lands in my lap through a pm from another site. These things can't happen when I am prepared for a new ride. Have to happen in the worst times.
In any case, I do believe I will be adding this to my fleet of junk. I sure appreciate the opinions on this thread.
Thanks guys !!
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 30, 2017, 02:34:28 PM
I sure appreciate the opinions on this thread.
Thanks guys !!
Even one suggesting a Psych · Eval? Hopefully you saw my twisted humor...
Your Dad is in my prayers . Hope he comes out ok.
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on December 30, 2017, 02:44:08 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 30, 2017, 02:34:28 PM
I sure appreciate the opinions on this thread.
Thanks guys !!
Even one suggesting a Psych · Eval? Hopefully you saw my twisted humor...
Even that one. Yes, I do need a psych eval. But then they would tell me all kinds of things I don't want to hear.
So I'm stuck with my luck of finding the cars I want in wasted, rusted, piles of crap. Apparently from Georgia and Alabama.
Quote from: Roadman on December 30, 2017, 02:47:23 PM
Your Dad is in my prayers . Hope he comes out ok.
I'll just give ya a short run down.
Dad has diabetes. taken a few of his toes. Has a spot where a bone is infected and they were going to cut it out.
He's had anasthesia before same as this time. Outpatient procedure.
When they induced the anasthesia he went into Cardiac Arrest. That made him have a heart attack.
So, all organs shut down, then made his heart and brain shut down.
Luckily he was in the right place. He was without oxygen for 1 minute 40 seconds. The anastheciologist said it felt like an hour.
Then to hospital. They put him in a medical coma via sedation. Breathing machine and all.
a few days go by, heart stabalizes, blood sugar is high. Doc's can't figure out why he isn't coming out of sleep after coma is removed. Turns out his Kidney's aren't working more than 12%. So, dialysis ensued. Hours after dialysis he came to and started talking to us. Another few days of tests and more dialysis and he is now talking fine to us and has told us to go home and stop staying at the hospital on the couch. No brain damage!! This weekend they are supposed to release him to a rehab facility.
He's having a hard time holding his eyes open. But aside from that and fatigue he appears to be ok. He should be preaching from his pulpit in another month or so. (Baptist)
We had so many people coming to the hospital to pray and visit that we were kicked out of the er, icu, and the hallways. multiple times.
I'm just glad to be out of the hospital and back home and working. I spent from the 20th to the 26th there.
Memorial Central Hospital in Colorado Springs saved my dads life.
Thanks for the prayers guys. He still needs some of those. But he's gonna pull through this time. Grandkids have another snort while to spend with old pops !!
22 years ago many people thought I'd lost it when I dragged this home... Today it dioesn't look bad but 22 years ago you could still find pretty nice cars in this area so this was a shock to many folks...
Little over a year later people didn't think I was quite so crazy...
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on December 30, 2017, 03:36:01 PM
22 years ago many people thought I'd lost it when I dragged this home... Today it dioesn't look bad but 22 years ago you could still find pretty nice cars in this area so this was a shock to many folks...
6 Pack Tail Pipes. :banana:
That's pretty impressive.
Interesting tail pipe choice?
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 30, 2017, 04:33:06 PM
That's pretty impressive.
Interesting tail pipe choice?
Yeah, George Barris wanted them back... :rofl: Hey, at least it didn't have Cougar tail lights...
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I know this is over a month old ,but was looking at the fender tag and this is a fairly rare car. I broke the fender tag down and this not a D21 4sp but D13 3sp transmission car.
Production BH23NOB 1118 total, 602-4 speeds, 464-autos, and 52-3 speeds. The picture of the underneath looks like it has a 4 speed in it.Just thought it was a very interesting car.
Jeff
I agree, quite rare. Not valuable per say. But rare none the less.
The car is currently sitting in my driveway.
I'll post a little info and a little about the trip on another thread when I get a chance. Super busy with work.
Never mind the "trip" ...when does the restoration start ? This looks like a great candidate for the AMD Installation Center :yes:
Ah: Another one "bagged"! Sometimes the hunt is the fun part.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on February 07, 2018, 07:26:51 PM
Ah: Another one "bagged"! Sometimes the hunt is the fun part.
It's been 10 years since I purchased My last M46 car.
Ten years just to find another one that could be purchased.
Granted, I could have purchased Gordon's fy1 that he cut up to hell for waay too much money. (I did purchase his scoops)
And I missed MoparAl's barracuda. That was a smokin deal really. Should have been more wise when that was available.
There's been two on ebay, and they were both trashed, bad colors and waay too much again. Welcome to ebay. and no scoops.
So I kind of had to get this hulk of rust out of principle.
Quote from: anlauto on February 07, 2018, 07:20:03 AM
Never mind the "trip" ...when does the restoration start ? This looks like a great candidate for the AMD Installation Center :yes:
I am actually considering the restoration of this car.
Especially since I can get the hook up at dealer cost for all metal. And probably free shipping if I time it correct.
Quote from: cuda hunter on December 30, 2017, 03:31:17 PM
Quote from: Roadman on December 30, 2017, 02:47:23 PM
Your Dad is in my prayers . Hope he comes out ok.
I'll just give ya a short run down.
Dad has diabetes. taken a few of his toes. Has a spot where a bone is infected and they were going to cut it out.
He's had anasthesia before same as this time. Outpatient procedure.
When they induced the anasthesia he went into Cardiac Arrest. That made him have a heart attack.
So, all organs shut down, then made his heart and brain shut down.
Luckily he was in the right place. He was without oxygen for 1 minute 40 seconds. The anastheciologist said it felt like an hour.
Then to hospital. They put him in a medical coma via sedation. Breathing machine and all.
a few days go by, heart stabalizes, blood sugar is high. Doc's can't figure out why he isn't coming out of sleep after coma is removed. Turns out his Kidney's aren't working more than 12%. So, dialysis ensued. Hours after dialysis he came to and started talking to us. Another few days of tests and more dialysis and he is now talking fine to us and has told us to go home and stop staying at the hospital on the couch. No brain damage!! This weekend they are supposed to release him to a rehab facility.
He's having a hard time holding his eyes open. But aside from that and fatigue he appears to be ok. He should be preaching from his pulpit in another month or so. (Baptist)
We had so many people coming to the hospital to pray and visit that we were kicked out of the er, icu, and the hallways. multiple times.
I'm just glad to be out of the hospital and back home and working. I spent from the 20th to the 26th there.
Memorial Central Hospital in Colorado Springs saved my dads life.
Thanks for the prayers guys. He still needs some of those. But he's gonna pull through this time. Grandkids have another snort while to spend with old pops !!
Hope all goes well for your dad? Diebetes is terrible! Does it run in your family?
2/3 of all diabetics die of stroke or heart attack. My 54 y.o. cousin died last Dec. Didn't drink, or smoke. Ran 6 miles a day on a treadmill. Died of a heart attack.
I drink, I smoke, and I sure as hell don't jog. Good luck to you and your father!
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 07, 2018, 08:05:31 PM
Quote from: anlauto on February 07, 2018, 07:20:03 AM
Never mind the "trip" ...when does the restoration start ? This looks like a great candidate for the AMD Installation Center :yes:
I am actually considering the restoration of this car.
Especially since I can get the hook up at dealer cost for all metal. And probably free shipping if I time it correct.
My only real issue is spending 50K on a restoration for a car that is worth 35K when done.
The cars do keep going up in value. If you spend $20k today and take 5 years to build the car (of course spending more as you go) you might come out even in the end. You might miss out on interest on the money but a guy has to have some fun in his life.
This last week at work we ordered $17k in AMD for a Gran Coupe and about $18.5k for metal on a Barracuda so people are spending money on them.
wow, that's a lot. And I thought that my quote of 6700 was a lot for this car. Dealer cost. So I'm assuming another 20% on top of that 6700.
Would still need some of the inner roof structure from donor cars.
I didn't read the last two pages. I hope you didn't pay more than $4k for this thing and it better have a nice, clean title.
Oh yeah. Clean South Carolina title. Fender tag. And previous owner will contact the guy who purchased the collection if any more information is found about the car.
Always risky purchasing cars from Georgia and Alabama as they don't have title for anything past 75. they literally take your title when you go to try to get another one made. That makes it really really really difficult to get titles in other states like Colorado.
I did overpay a little on it. But it's in my driveway so I guess that little bit wasn't that big a deal.
I doubt you overpaid. You probably wouldn't have gotten a second chance on it.
cant wait to see this one in 2 years.
its gonna be a beauty.
Just sharing my notes that I have on M46 Barracuda's.
Didn't know what the M46 was awhile back and found this information: :ebay:
M-46 Barracuda Information
Engines available for M46 Barracuda are:
N code: E63 383-4 barrel
L code: E61 383-2 Barrel
G code: E44 318-2 Barrel
C code: E24 225-1 Barrel
383 Barracuda numbers all together for 1970 were only 722 383-2 barrels
1,118 383-4 barrel cars built for 'Cuda & Barracuda total
318 production was 15,356 for Barracuda
4,695 total Barracudas with a slant 6.
Out of all those cars (21,891) only 433 M46 cars produced
415 M46 were V8.
Total of 15 M46 Convertibles.
The M46 shared the same chrome grille inset treatment as the Gran Coupe and AAR chrome sections, unlike the 'Cuda which did not have the rectangular chrome trim inset where it had a red bar trim instead.
The M46 shared the same 3 piece rear trim as a 70-71 Gran Coupe and 72-74 Barracudas.
This area was blacked out, the trim is on the rear quarters end and the center trim runs along the trunk lid.
The M46 also had a Blacked out section painted in organisol which covered the lower portion of the car and covered the sills in Black. It ran up to the first lowest body line on the Barracuda body and door lines and ran the full length of the car from front to back including the rear quarter behind the rear wheel and also the front fender in front of the front wheel.
This area of Blacked out section is where the simulated scoops were mounted, just in front of the rear wheel itself.
The Black-out section was separated by a Tomato Red on top of a Reflective White pinstripe duo that ran the full length of the car separating the Black from whatever body color was applied.
There also was a Blue on Reflective White stripe available
Unique and rare car; glad you picked it up!