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Title: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on May 22, 2020, 08:51:21 PM
I want to clean up this proportioning valve but before I open it up is there anything I should know... do's and don'ts; is anything going to launch across the shop to be lost forever?  :Thud:
Any reassembly tips?



Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: mopartaz on May 22, 2020, 09:31:17 PM
I referred to a factory diagram, there are springs in there ,just be careful in dis-assembly. But i could not  dis -assembly fully. I believe a previous post covered this. I pulled mine off the car because it wasnt letting the fluid through. I luckily had another  in storage from a parts car that works. Apparently they arent reproducing that model proprtining valve.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on May 22, 2020, 09:51:13 PM
As your un-screw the caps the tension on the springs is released... Not a problem, have fun...
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Burdar on May 23, 2020, 05:49:45 AM
I've got an exploded view of that valve on my work computer.  That will have to wait until Tuesday. 

It's good that your lines are still attached.  If they sit for awhile with no lines attached, they will rust up inside.  Yours looks like it's in great shape.  You can plug the ports and soak it in EvapoRust to clean up the outside.  If the inside is rusted, you can soak it too.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6pfY2CNh/tank047.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FHgb8XrZ/tank054.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: 750-h2 on May 23, 2020, 07:48:41 AM
With all the ports blocked off I glass beaded mine and then polished it with a soft wire brush on a bench grinder. Looks brand new! :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on May 23, 2020, 02:03:42 PM
It looks like it does because I glass beaded it about 8 years ago and painted a clear coat on it which obviously did not hold up considering it has been in a box indoors since.
I will get some of that EvapoRust and start over.  Exploded view would be welcome  :bigthumb:



Quote from: Burdar on May 23, 2020, 05:49:45 AM
I've got an exploded view of that valve on my work computer.  That will have to wait until Tuesday. 

It's good that your lines are still attached.  If they sit for awhile with no lines attached, they will rust up inside.  Yours looks like it's in great shape.  You can plug the ports and soak it in EvapoRust to clean up the outside.  If the inside is rusted, you can soak it too.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6pfY2CNh/tank047.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FHgb8XrZ/tank054.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Burdar on May 26, 2020, 06:52:24 AM
Here is the exploded view.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on May 26, 2020, 10:23:05 AM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)  Ahh very cool thank you :bigthumb:
I ordered some Evaporust and should have it by next week to give it a good dunking.  I am hoping it is not all locked up inside.
That bracket pops off??



Quote from: Burdar on May 26, 2020, 06:52:24 AM
Here is the exploded view.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Burdar on May 26, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
The bracket is riveted on.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on May 26, 2020, 01:12:11 PM
Ok, I guess it stays then. 
Thanks

Quote from: Burdar on May 26, 2020, 11:47:12 AM
The bracket is riveted on.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Bullitt- on May 26, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)  Did you replace the O-rings or more?   
I'm aware of these "kits" .. Looks like there's 3 of them available to do everything

https://www.musclecarresearch.com/content/1979-gm-kelsey-hayes-combination-valve-autopsy
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Burdar on May 27, 2020, 05:52:49 AM
My valve was sitting "open" for years.  It was rusted up inside.  I soaked it in EvapoRust which cleaned up the outside but the large valve assembly on the right side of the picture was rusted in.  It came out in pieces.  I soaked it again once that valve was out to clean up the inside.  I was not able to get the brass valves out.(I think this was before I found the exploded view to see how it came apart)   Since those were brass(and can't rust), I just left them in place.  I found a replacement valve that I was able to use for parts...and replaced that valve assembly that was broken.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on June 07, 2020, 07:13:47 AM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)  Ok I soaked mine in Evaporust (that stuff works pretty darn good) and got the switch and thinner valve and spring out, but how did you get the larger valve on the end out; the one with the 7/8" nut?  Using a 1/2" drive 6-point with a breaker bar I can't get it to budge and the "nut" portion is so thin you can barely get a grip on it.   :huh:

:wrenching:

Quote from: Burdar on May 26, 2020, 06:52:24 AM
Here is the exploded view.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on June 07, 2020, 08:33:34 AM
Quote from: Mrbill426 on June 07, 2020, 07:13:47 AM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)  Ok I soaked mine in Evaporust (that stuff works pretty darn good) and got the switch and thinner valve and spring out, but how did you get the larger valve on the end out; the one with the 7/8" nut?  Using a 1/2" drive 6-point with a breaker bar I can't get it to budge and the "nut" portion is so thin you can barely get a grip on it.   :huh:

:wrenching:


On something like that I would use a box end wrench, then use a C clamp to capture the wrench & the far end of the valve so the wrench can't slip off...  Mount the valve in a vise & smack the wrench with a hammer, the shock will help break it free...
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: YellowThumper on June 07, 2020, 08:55:04 AM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on June 07, 2020, 08:33:34 AM
Quote from: Mrbill426 on June 07, 2020, 07:13:47 AM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)  Ok I soaked mine in Evaporust (that stuff works pretty darn good) and got the switch and thinner valve and spring out, but how did you get the larger valve on the end out; the one with the 7/8" nut?  Using a 1/2" drive 6-point with a breaker bar I can't get it to budge and the "nut" portion is so thin you can barely get a grip on it.   :huh:

:wrenching:


On something like that I would use a box end wrench, then use a C clamp to capture the wrench & the far end of the valve so the wrench can't slip off...  Mount the valve in a vise & smack the wrench with a hammer, the shock will help break it free...

Good idea with the C clamp. Gonna log that info away.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on June 07, 2020, 09:23:18 AM
I like that concept, I am going to give it a try today  :bigthumb:  thanks!
I squirted Kroil in all the ports last night so maybe that will help loosing things from the inside too.  I want to salvage this valve as I have not seen repops of it.

:wrenching:

Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on June 07, 2020, 08:33:34 AM
Quote from: Mrbill426 on June 07, 2020, 07:13:47 AM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)  Ok I soaked mine in Evaporust (that stuff works pretty darn good) and got the switch and thinner valve and spring out, but how did you get the larger valve on the end out; the one with the 7/8" nut?  Using a 1/2" drive 6-point with a breaker bar I can't get it to budge and the "nut" portion is so thin you can barely get a grip on it.   :huh:

:wrenching:


On something like that I would use a box end wrench, then use a C clamp to capture the wrench & the far end of the valve so the wrench can't slip off...  Mount the valve in a vise & smack the wrench with a hammer, the shock will help break it free...
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 07, 2020, 12:26:34 PM
Kroil is pure MAGIC! I probably have a dozen cans in my shop.
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Burdar on June 07, 2020, 12:48:38 PM
I didn't have any problem getting the fittings out, but the large valve assembly was rusted in and I broke it trying to get it out.  I didn't remove the brass valves because I didn't know how they came out.  If you get those out, please share the process on how they are removed.  I might take my valve back apart and completely disassemble it to make sure it's completely clean.

Maybe you just insert a small screw into the end of the brass valves to pull them out?
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on June 07, 2020, 03:00:01 PM
Got the big nut (only) off but had to use a different method than the C-clamp because the nut has a pin protruding through the center of it that extended beyond the outside edge of my box wrench.
Forgot I had a hand impact and it did the job with the valve in a vise.  Again only the nut screwed out leaving the pin and valve still inside.  Another overnight of Kroil and maybe it and the valve at the opposite end will give up up too.   :dunno:
:wrenching:


Quote from: Burdar on June 07, 2020, 12:48:38 PM
I didn't have any problem getting the fittings out, but the large valve assembly was rusted in and I broke it trying to get it out.  I didn't remove the brass valves because I didn't know how they came out.  If you get those out, please share the process on how they are removed.  I might take my valve back apart and completely disassemble it to make sure it's completely clean.

Maybe you just insert a small screw into the end of the brass valves to pull them out?
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Burdar on June 08, 2020, 06:46:44 AM
I soaked the valve assembly with penetrating oil to try and free it up.  Don't do that.  It swelled the seal and it ripped.  I'd soak the assembly in more EvapoRust now that the end fitting it off. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on June 08, 2020, 09:40:21 AM
Rut-row... damage probably done by now then.  :( I was planning to get a kit for it anyway.  Back to the Evapo-rust bath it goes then.  :bigthumb:

:wrenching:

Quote from: Burdar on June 08, 2020, 06:46:44 AM
I soaked the valve assembly with penetrating oil to try and free it up.  Don't do that.  It swelled the seal and it ripped.  I'd soak the assembly in more EvapoRust now that the end fitting it off. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on June 11, 2020, 08:22:57 AM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)
Yesterday after a couple days of more soaking in the Evapo-rust with all the plugs, the one long spring valving, and the switch removed I finally got the larger (spring) valve out of the one end by grabbing the center pin as low as I could reach with long needle nose pliers and using the end of the housing as a fulcrum to pry it up and out.  With it out I found a lot more sludgy gunk in there which I flushed repeatedly with spray brake cleaner through every hole in the casting;  watch out for blow-back!  There are two spool valves in there back to back and they both come out through the smaller end port. 

I tapped (firmly) the housing down on my vise anvil and the first (larger) spool dropped out... More gunk behind it so flushing.  The second (thinner) spool can then be pushed out from behind using a small rod or pin punch through the opposite (large) end port.  There is a small through hole in the casting.  In hind-sight maybe both valves can br pushed out together that way but I did not discover that option till after the first valve was out due to all the gunk. 



Quote from: Burdar on June 07, 2020, 12:48:38 PM
I didn't have any problem getting the fittings out, but the large valve assembly was rusted in and I broke it trying to get it out.  I didn't remove the brass valves because I didn't know how they came out.  If you get those out, please share the process on how they are removed.  I might take my valve back apart and completely disassemble it to make sure it's completely clean.

Maybe you just insert a small screw into the end of the brass valves to pull them out?
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Burdar on June 11, 2020, 11:22:00 AM
Thanks.  I have the replacement valve that I used for parts.  I guess I can experiment with that one before tackling the original one.  Sounds like it would be a good idea to completely disassemble the original since you found a lot of hidden sludge in yours.   :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Mrbill426 on June 11, 2020, 04:29:06 PM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173) Sir I owe you a humble apology  :worship: ; I left out a important step that you even mentioned before.  I used a long sort of self tapping pan head metal screw twisted into the center of the fitting seat which is actually part of the first spool valve.  I pulled it the same way as the other valve with needle nose pliers.  It's what I get for typing my solution before I was awake this morning  :o  Sorry
Does that make sense?


Quote from: Burdar on June 11, 2020, 11:22:00 AM
Thanks.  I have the replacement valve that I used for parts.  I guess I can experiment with that one before tackling the original one.  Sounds like it would be a good idea to completely disassemble the original since you found a lot of hidden sludge in yours.   :bigthumb:
Title: Re: Proportioning valve cleanup
Post by: Burdar on June 12, 2020, 07:09:52 AM
It makes sense.  Thanks!