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Technical Shop => Engine, Transmission & Rear End => Topic started by: Gary AAR on February 25, 2019, 07:40:06 AM

Title: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Gary AAR on February 25, 2019, 07:40:06 AM
I need to get my 1970 Cuda 4 speed transmission shift mechanism restored.  Anybody have any experience with getting this work done by Brewers Transmission or Hurst Shifter Online?  Can I buy parts and do the work myself?  Are special tools required to do the rebuild?
Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Dakota on February 25, 2019, 09:36:05 AM
I rebuilt mine.  It wasn't too difficult.  Like anything else on these cars, take lots of pictures and pay particular attention to the order this be are assembled.  The replacement parts from Brewer's had some slight difference compared to the original ones (specifically the plate for reverse), but everything worked fine.

There are a number of good "how to" videos on YouTube including this one:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=huUETRzXM7k

I think I can dig up some pictures.   I'll add them to this thread once located. 
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Chryco Psycho on February 25, 2019, 09:58:36 AM
 :iagree:, Just clean it & lube it yourself , not hard to do
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: anlauto on February 25, 2019, 10:23:21 AM
I send ALL of my four speed shifters to Scotty at Hurst Shifters Online... :worship:

Why "clean +lube" old worn out parts ? :drunk:

Want your shifter to function as new....send it back to the place it was born....restore it once and restore it correct.  :alan2cents:

They also offer a re-chroming option for the handle...everything comes back looking like new.  :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Dakota on February 25, 2019, 10:50:10 AM
Some photos of what's inside.   

1132 shows the original condition.
1216 shows the plates and parts.   The upper row shows the parts that were replaced (the old ones are  above the new ones - they're not lined up exactly above).  The lower row shows what went in the final assembly. Note that there are some differences in the shapes.
1214 shows the wear on the pin (correct name?)
1212 & 1213 shows how one of the original plates was bent.   I believe this was part of the reverse lockout - I couldn't get the dang thing to shift into reverse, which prompted the tear down.
1220 shows the completed completed component.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Chryco Psycho on February 25, 2019, 01:35:31 PM
Probably because a lot of them are not worn out , you get the 50 year old grease out clean up the parts & they work like new for a couple of hours labor  :wrenching:
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: usraptor on February 25, 2019, 04:27:59 PM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on February 25, 2019, 01:35:31 PM
Probably because a lot of them are not worn out , you get the 50 year old grease out clean up the parts & they work like new for a couple of hours labor  :wrenching:
I agree with Chryco.   Took mine apart, cleaned and re-lubed/greased and it shifts like new.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: anlauto on February 25, 2019, 04:29:53 PM
Well I guess that's the difference between just "fixing up your car" and actually restoring it to like new condition.  :alan2cents:  and there's absolutely nothing wrong with fixing up our old cars and keeping them running. :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: kathyscuda on February 25, 2019, 04:38:56 PM
buy the shim kit and do it yourself
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: headejm on February 25, 2019, 05:18:29 PM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: jimynick on February 25, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
Alan, you neglected to say what Scotty @ Hurst charges to do his service. Could you please advise in that regard? Thx.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on February 25, 2019, 08:36:53 PM
The guys in here convinced me to do it myself and I am glad I did. It took about an hour and it is silky smooth now. Quite easy to do. Nothing wrong with sending it out either but the online videos show how to check for excessive wear so it's really not that hard. If you have the skill to take it out of the car and reinstall it after, then you certainly have the skill to disassemble it and restore it yourself.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: anlauto on February 26, 2019, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: jimynick on February 25, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
Alan, you neglected to say what Scotty @ Hurst charges to do his service. Could you please advise in that regard? Thx.  :cheers:

With re-chroming the handle and all the small parts, new grips/lens etc..rebuilding and re-plating the shifter properly, the total cost is $440.00 plus shipping.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: RUNCHARGER on February 26, 2019, 07:10:57 AM
$426 would have been better! :Thud:
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Chryco Psycho on February 26, 2019, 11:25:06 AM
$440 Canuck Peso or USD
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: anlauto on February 26, 2019, 12:33:22 PM
The company is in the States, so that's USD.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: HP_Cuda on February 26, 2019, 12:45:20 PM

Most folks just replace the shims and move on.

Others also replace the springs and have one hell of a time.

:banana:
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: jimynick on February 27, 2019, 07:38:08 PM
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on February 25, 2019, 08:36:53 PM
The guys in here convinced me to do it myself and I am glad I did. It took about an hour and it is silky smooth now. Quite easy to do. Nothing wrong with sending it out either but the online videos show how to check for excessive wear so it's really not that hard. If you have the skill to take it out of the car and reinstall it after, then you certainly have the skill to disassemble it and restore it yourself.
May I ask where you got your parts and how much they charge?
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: 70 Challenger Lover on February 27, 2019, 08:06:50 PM
I followed the instructions on a you tube video for checking wear and clearances and everything was fine so I needed nothing but cleaning and fresh grease. There are tons of small parts available new on eBay including this complete rebuild kit I found from Hurst.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F281539055609
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Gary AAR on February 28, 2019, 07:15:28 AM
Does anyone know the correct finish on the 3 shift levers?  Should they be painted black (flat black or semi-gloss?) as in"Dakato's" pictures above, or a plated finish as shown in "usraptor's" photos above? 
Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Gary AAR on March 02, 2019, 07:55:49 AM
Does anyone know the original finish for the shift levers?  Are the lower portion of the levers painted black or black oxide as shown in "Dakota's" photo above?  What finish does Hurst provide when they restore a shifter mechanism?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: RUNCHARGER on March 02, 2019, 08:34:59 AM
Not painted I don't believe. I am not sure though.
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: Chryco Psycho on March 02, 2019, 08:44:55 AM
the ones I have seen are just steel color but maybe zinc coated so they don't rust
Title: Re: Shifter Mechanism Rebuild
Post by: anlauto on March 05, 2019, 10:19:46 AM
Here's what you get back from Hurst Shifters Online....

This is @SYDWAZ (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/sydwaz_2631) original AAR shifter looking better than new. They re-plate everything, re-chrome, all new parts etc... and they return your old worn out parts.
I've used this service at least a half dozen times and the shifters work beautifully .... maybe some of my customers on here will chime in ?