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Title: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: js27 on May 22, 2020, 04:49:13 PM
https://www.earthlymission.com/dinosaur-mummy-science-discovery-nodosaur-intact-canada/?fbclid=IwAR2RhKCQ5uTSM3vbWYUmzOZDVY7jNdaMunVJfdrvv__HwLo9vgMIodRf3lk

JS27
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: Rich G. on May 22, 2020, 05:04:44 PM
Scary looking creature!
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 22, 2020, 05:18:44 PM
That is absolutely amazing.  I've read a little about it from another article.
There are approximately 3 large dinosaur mummy's now and about a dozen smaller dinosaur/bird fossils from china.

The amazing thing about all these mummy's that have been found is that by xray examination they have found that  both Saurischia (lizard hipped) and Ornithischia (bird hipped) dinosaurs had internal organs similar to a modern chicken.  They were in no way reptilian.  They had self regulating internals.  Meaning they did not have to sit in the sun to warm up like a crocodile.  They were like chickens and could move both at night and day in both cold and warm weather environments. Most dinosaurs reproduced with hard eggs like chickens.  Not like crocs and gators or frogs and other reptiles.   
  Since I'm mentioning chickens, I have to mention that the T rex had  a wish bone just like a turkey.  With only two specific bones that were different than chickens.  chickens are sometimes born with teeth and tails.

Imagine an 18 thousand pound chicken or turkey.  A modern chicken or turkey will whip the crap out of ya.  That's at 5.5 average chicken weight and 12-19 lbs average turkey weight.  Even small therapods (3 toed)(carnivorous) dinosaurs were a force to be reckoned with.  some had opposable thumbs even.  There is a reason why the largest mammals that lived with the dinosaurs was the size of a virginian possum.  thank God for the chicxulub impact.

I'm an amateur paleontologist.  I've traveled all over the states to find dihichunosaur fossils.  It's one of my passions. 
My father is a southern baptist  minister so I've argued Gods creation of evolution my whole life. 

Sorry, I can go on and on about this subject. 
Me and the wife were fossil hunting 3 days ago.  found a bunch of sharks teeth and shells up here at an elevation of 9200 feet. 
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: dodj on May 22, 2020, 05:21:37 PM
I've been to the tyrrell museum. Definitely worth a long visit.
Two museums that have really impressed me..... The Royal Tyrrell in Alberta, and the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody, WY.
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: Mopar5 on May 22, 2020, 05:48:12 PM
Its truly amazing to think about all the history and creatures that lived before we humans into existence.And conversely one day we will be the relics of history and distant people will be looking at us. :takealook:
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: Chryco Psycho on May 22, 2020, 07:22:43 PM
I used to live 20 mins from Tyrrell museum , cool place !
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: js27 on May 23, 2020, 09:58:04 AM
@cuda hunter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-hunter_176) - I love reading about this stuff. When I lived in PA I would find lots of fern like Plant Fossils -Now here in SC. I find lots of Shark Teeth and Ray plates. A got a few nice size Megs so far. I  haven't been out hunting since my heart attack but hope to get back out soon. A few shot from some of my fines.
JS27
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 23, 2020, 10:45:43 AM
Those are quite the teeth!   The ones I find are only half inch big at most.  I'm looking in the Fox hills sand stone of the cretaceous era. So about 67 million years ago. 
We don't have the exposure that megalodon is found in.  20 M.Y.A. to 3.5 M.Y.A.  wish we did as I would love to find one.
I drive through Florida every year and I was considering stopping at the tampa bay beach's as I have a friend who has found lots of megalodon fossils there.  As well as lots of mammal fossils from the pleistocene era. 
  I'll take a pic of the shell crushing sharks tooth that my wife found the other day and post it up.  Not near as glorious as those megalodon teeth.  But awesome in it's own right. 
 
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: js27 on May 23, 2020, 01:36:29 PM
Love to see it.
I have tons of small teeth also. Large Megs are hard to find but every once in a while they pop up. Being 30 miles from the coast we have lots of marine fossils here. I have found a few horse teeth also and naturally some coral. 60 million years ago the East Coast shore line was like 200 miles inland from where it is now. I get such a kick when the local gloom and doom newspaper run these end of the world articles every tie we get a high tide and downtown Charleston floods they scream screaming Global Warming is going to kill us all.
JS27
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: anlauto on May 23, 2020, 02:13:07 PM
That is a cool collection/ What's the big thing you're holding in your hand ? :huh:
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 23, 2020, 03:08:42 PM
that is a megalodon tooth.

the larger vertebrae looks to be a fish vert.  but can't really tell.
The smaller ones would be shark.

What the last picture you posted?  I can't figure out what that is.  bone? 

Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 23, 2020, 03:11:36 PM
Global warming is a joke.  Well a bad joke made up to bring in tax revenue.

The first post, the mummy, floated off in the ocean 110 Million years ago in Canada. Global warming. 

17,000 years ago where I live would have been under a glacier.   15K man started to make their way up the Arkansas river into the very small grassy areas.  We had mammoth here 15K years ago.  Sabertoothed tigers as little as 12K ago.  Dire wolves 11K. 
Man must have killed all those giant creatures and melted all the glaciers with their camp fires.   What a joke! 

I'll try to get some pictures of some of my stuff posted to share with you. 
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: 6bblgt on May 23, 2020, 03:21:14 PM
some lay person descriptions would help for the interested non-enthusiasts  :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 23, 2020, 03:29:36 PM
Here is a good video on megalodon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL_jXWxJ8-I
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 23, 2020, 03:41:57 PM
this is a pretty good video.  He explains a little more about the pleistocene period.
But he kinda lays down the time line with a decent chart. 
these are pretty boring for most but you might find them very informational. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ILDbOLge5Q
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cudamadd on May 23, 2020, 03:49:54 PM
This stuff is amazing we can only imagine .
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 23, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
this video shows how the oceans changed from 200MYA to current day.  When you see the 70 to 60 in the left lower corner you can see the time that I am looking for shark fossils up here in the mountains.  Of course the mountains were not mountains yet.
They were small hills with large volcano's.  And delta's , Like Florida where dinosaurs roamed and Trex literally walked on the ocean shore here in Colorado.  The fossils I was looking for the other day were much older than what js27 is looking for down in South Carolina at 20,000 years compared to my 66,000,000 years ago.

Cool video.  You can fast forward it so you don't have to be so bored. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yKNhbY3Nbk
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: 6bblgt on May 23, 2020, 04:29:49 PM
I watched the videos - thanks, but my comment was directed to the posted pics
@cuda hunter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-hunter_176)  & @js27 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/js27_117) may know what "WE" are looking at  :thinking: what about the rest of us, comments and/or descriptions would help - even if it was just in the picture's title  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: js27 on May 24, 2020, 09:32:41 AM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)  #1 are sting ray teeth and mouth plate--#2 a bunch of different shark teeth--#3 a 5" Megalodon tooth or 1/2 of one--#4 are Ear bones ( whale-dolphin)--5 vertebrate ( not sure what from)--6 Vertebra--7 More shark teeth and ear bones and vertabrate-the long black piece is a rib from a Dugong (like a Manatee)--8 large Meg tooth-9 some type of clam shell-10--unknown bone ? I do not know to much about identify fossils but I do like finding them. cuda hunter is the man to ask.
JS27
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: js27 on May 24, 2020, 09:37:32 AM
@cuda hunter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-hunter_176) -I am not sure what the big bone is. I had a couple of local guys look at it and I got different answers. Some type of whale bone maybe ? Here are 2 more pictures if it helps. Thanks for the video links I will check them out. The coolest thing about finding fossils is that you are the first human to touch something that is Millions of years old. That is a neat feeling.
JS27
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: js27 on May 24, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
This is how I found the 1/2 of the 5" Megalodon tooth after a heavy rain--then a ray tooth embedded in some coral and a 6" intact clam shell. These shells are very hard to find intact because they are so thin. It took about 1 hour of slowly digging around it to keep it whole.
JS27
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 24, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
Those are some awesome fossils.  The two clam shells are phenomenal!  Very cool! 

Here are the teeth that I found the other day.  Well, mostly the wife found. I was very intent on finding a specific fossil there.  I was looking for a pyratized ammonite baculites.  We found two small ones about 12 years ago there so I know they are there but I had no success in finding one. 
  These fossils are very small and pale in comparison to your megalodon teeth. In this time period we didn't have sharks as large as the mighty megalodon.  But we did have mososaurs, icthiosaurs, and pleiosaurs !!  rare and hard to find, even teeth. 

Also, a few links to provide a little more info on the shell crushing sharks. 
1. http://oceansofkansas.com/Ptychodus2.html
2. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Ptychodus-latissimus-A-C-D-SMU-76251-B-SMU-75591-E-F-G-H-SMU-76431-I-R-SMU_fig1_296314709
3. http://chalk.discoveringfossils.co.uk/5%20Ptychodus.htm
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 24, 2020, 11:01:37 AM
Quote from: js27 on May 24, 2020, 09:37:32 AM
@cuda hunter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-hunter_176) -I am not sure what the big bone is. I had a couple of local guys look at it and I got different answers. Some type of whale bone maybe ? Here are 2 more pictures if it helps. Thanks for the video links I will check them out. The coolest thing about finding fossils is that you are the first human to touch something that is Millions of years old. That is a neat feeling.
JS27

This bone looks to be a very decomposed whale vertebrae.  I say that due to the second picture. Of course not being able to put hands on it makes a difference on diagnosis.  Also keep in mind that any whale that was on the ocean floor would have been scavenged quite well by the many sea bottom dwellers.  Not to mention the whale could have died from being eaten by sharks.

Whales are mammals whom evolved from a wolf type creature according to fossil records.  So their vertebrae will look very similar to our 4 legged mammal verts.
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: cuda hunter on May 24, 2020, 11:05:24 AM
Just for reference here is a link to a whale being scavenged. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZzQhiNQXxU

There would have been several other types of scavengers that do not exist any more as well as what you see in this video.

The bones themselves would have been dissolved by several different types of bacteria so it's quite hard to find full fossils. 
The bone eating snotworm.  3.30 into the video.  Also known as Osedax. 
Title: Re: Amazing find in Canada.
Post by: js27 on May 26, 2020, 05:09:17 AM
@cuda hunter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-hunter_176)  Your teeth are great. I noticed some are very shiny--do you polish them? Some almost look like Gem Stones.I have a ton of small shark teeth also. There are Megs-Mako-Sand Shark-Lemon  and Goblin Shark. I have lots to learn about identifying them. I read about a guy who only collect what he calls micro fossils. Stuff that most hunters do even see because they only look for the big stuff. He had some pretty cool things. Are you on Facebook ? I belong to a page called East Coast Fossils. It is a pretty cool site no politics just fossils. Lots of cool fines get posted. Thanks for all the video links--now I am retired I will have time to watch them all :).

Not sure if you know about Vito Bertucci but here is a google like about him-

https://www.google.com/search?q=vito+bertucci&oq=Vito+Be&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0j46l2j0l4.9900j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Thanks Again
JS27