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Title: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on April 30, 2018, 01:32:54 PM
My Challenger R/T was originally FF4 "light green metallic" with a V1F "green vinyl top" (w/one darker green repaint)

here's the best pic(s) of the top when I got the car, but I removed its remains & didn't save a piece  :headbang:

this WSS was on Craigslist recently - it is also FF4/V1F & looks pretty original  :dunno:

& a picture of Ledgendary's E-body green vinyl top "boar grain", but it is not available in a "wide seam" Challenger version

so, what color was it when "NEW" & does anyone have a picture of "survivor" '70 green top on a '70 Challenger or Barracuda
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 340challconvert on April 30, 2018, 02:00:14 PM
Creme car but factory green roof.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on April 30, 2018, 02:24:22 PM
Well @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)  I just so happen to be restoring a 1970 Challenger that left the factory FF4 green with a V1F green vinyl top.
Now mind you this car made a stop at ASC to get a sunroof installed, but when I got it the original vinyl was intact, especially on the sunroof slider panel.

I was able to save the original vinyl off of the sunroof panel and there is a good chunk of material that is folded over and glued on the inside meaning it's NEVER seen sunlight for 48 years. Just wiped it down with SprayNine for the picture.

Here are pictures of it compared to my Legendary Auto Interior wide seam vinyl top....
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on April 30, 2018, 02:36:22 PM
Dan, your bottom picture looks like the right colour. I needed one for my F8 1970 Challenger. They were not reproduced and I ended up having one custom made for me by SMS FABRICS IN Oregon. Took over two years to arrive after it was paid in full.  On + side they made me one an it turned out nice.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on April 30, 2018, 02:42:21 PM
Nice to see that Legendary is finally reproducing them. A few years ago they told me that it would never be reproduced and they are the ones that told me about SMS.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on April 30, 2018, 09:33:34 PM
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19)  how does it look in person?  looks a little "off" in the picture  :huh:

is the "wide seam" V1F a current STANDARD product at Legendary?  do they refer to it as "antique green"?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on April 30, 2018, 09:40:01 PM
Quote from: 750-h2 on April 30, 2018, 02:42:21 PM
Nice to see that Legendary is finally reproducing them. A few years ago they told me that it would never be reproduced and they are the ones that told me about SMS.

this is the same story I've heard quite often for the past 20 or so years  :-[ that will be great if they are now available!!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on May 01, 2018, 04:22:39 AM
The original is maybe 5% darker and the grain is a little "less" then the reproduction, but overall I think it's a pretty decent match. When I ordered it, I just asked for green and that's what I got....
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: GY3R/T on May 01, 2018, 07:16:31 AM
   The Legendary grain is different.  But i guess that's as good as it gets for now.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on June 03, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
I just joined the forum and saw this discussion. Are you saying you can now get a a wide seam antique green vinyl top other than SMS? I was going to Order one from them but sure don't want to wait 2 years to get it. I am restoring a F8 1970 Challenger R/T that came with that top.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 03, 2018, 04:45:41 PM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) the pictures I posted above are of a wide seam top I just bought from Legendary not too long ago :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on June 03, 2018, 08:54:29 PM
Thanks I will check back with them. I just ordered my interior from them a couple months ago which just arrived last week. At that time they said they didn't have the correct material for my headliner and only carried the narrow seam antique green vinyl top.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: GY3R/T on June 03, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
   I would like to tour the SMS facility. They seem to have/find some pretty obscure material.
    Yet they seem to fly under the radar. I mean not much advertising. :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 04, 2018, 03:55:23 AM
Quote from: F8RT on June 03, 2018, 08:54:29 PM
Thanks I will check back with them. I just ordered my interior from them a couple months ago which just arrived last week. At that time they said they didn't have the correct material for my headliner and only carried the narrow seam antique green vinyl top.

I better check the top I got then.....I ordered a wide seam.... :thinking:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: VCODE on June 04, 2018, 04:51:25 AM
Quote from: GY3R/T on May 01, 2018, 07:16:31 AM
   The Legendary grain is different.  But i guess that's as good as it gets for now.

Dan, My friend has a 70 Challenger RT/SE with green top. He had put a Legendary top on, it just did not look right. We found a NOS Green Challenger top and he took the legendary one off and put the Nos one on. OMG what a difference, The green color is different and in the grain there was black. I will send you a picture when I find it.
Bob
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 04, 2018, 08:21:00 AM
Well SHIT :pullinghair:  The top Legendary sent me is a narrow seam, NOT a wide seam like I needed.

A phone call to Tony at Legendary confirmed that wide seam tops are only available in black or white. NOBODY has coloured material wide enough to make a wide seam 1970 Challenger vinyl roof. :steamingmad:

If anybody has a suggestion on what to do....I'm all ears ! :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on June 04, 2018, 08:41:00 AM
Well: I talked to a bodyguy that used to paint the vinyl tops on taxis and they went through carwashes a few times a week.....
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Brads70 on June 04, 2018, 03:43:16 PM
Quote from: anlauto on June 04, 2018, 08:21:00 AM
Well SHIT :pullinghair:  The top Legendary sent me is a narrow seam, NOT a wide seam like I needed.

A phone call to Tony at Legendary confirmed that wide seam tops are only available in black or white. NOBODY has coloured material wide enough to make a wide seam 1970 Challenger vinyl roof. :steamingmad:

If anybody has a suggestion on what to do....I'm all ears ! :dunno:

Better to find out now I guess.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on June 04, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
The antique green is the one that is dark green with black looking lines in the grain. I got a sample from SMS and Legendary that are very similar but SMS looked most like the original. The wide seam follows the B pillar down. The narrow is the same in front and back and hits the window opening. Legendary had told me they couldn't get the material in that width. I have also been told antique green was only available in 1970 and all 1970's were wide seam so why make it in narrow. I would really like to know if yours is wide seam because Legendary is half the price.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 04, 2018, 06:09:51 PM
Quote from: F8RT on June 04, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
. I have also been told antique green was only available in 1970 and all 1970's were wide seam so why make it in narrow.

I said the same thing to the salesperson at Legendary today and he didn't have an answer for me....I emailed SMS, waiting to see it they get back to me.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on June 04, 2018, 06:24:31 PM
Let me know what you find out from SMS I need to order one also. Hope it's not 2 years!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on June 04, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
When SMS made my top they didn't have the material in that width and actually had to manufacture wide material for me. Hopefully they rolled out enough material to make a few more tops. If they actually have the material already made delivery time may be a lot quicker than 2 years.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on June 04, 2018, 08:56:52 PM
maybe a multiple "WIDE SEAM" V1F (GREEN) group buy from SMS is a possibility to speed up delivery  :dunno: I'd be interested


the narrow width material is correct/useable for the '68-'70 B-bodies
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on June 04, 2018, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: F8RT on June 04, 2018, 05:01:32 PM
The antique green is the one that is dark green with black looking lines in the grain. I got a sample from SMS and Legendary that are very similar but SMS looked most like the original. The wide seam follows the B pillar down. The narrow is the same in front and back and hits the window opening. Legendary had told me they couldn't get the material in that width. I have also been told antique green was only available in 1970 and all 1970's were wide seam so why make it in narrow. I would really like to know if yours is wide seam because Legendary is half the price.

@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) got a pic or two? & it's the C-pillar, hardtops don't have a B-pillar
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on June 05, 2018, 05:02:09 AM
I will post pics of my SMS top. This way you guys will know what you will be getting.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on June 05, 2018, 08:36:18 AM
Here are a few pics of my V1F SMS boar grain antique green vinyl top. It was hard to get a good picture. I person the colour is a little darker and shinier than what it looks like in the pics. Its sort of an olive green like the F8 carpet.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 05, 2018, 09:22:15 AM
That looks good :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on June 05, 2018, 09:02:43 PM
I agree it would be the c not b pillar. I saw it referred to that way on another post. Definitely interested in group purchase if it gets it done quicker. I will try and add some pics of mine. Maybe a before I started this long journey of restoring and where I'm at now.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: GY3R/T on June 05, 2018, 09:29:10 PM
   :bravo:  Never been disappointed with SMS.   :twothumbsup: They also restore 69 C-Body interior vinyl upper steel door panels. Hard top & convertable.  Again, I'd like to see their place.   :yes:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 14, 2018, 11:33:55 AM
UPDATE:

@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)  Dan
Today I was able to order a WIDE SEAM 1970 Challenger vinyl top in "antique green" directly from SMS. First they sent me a sample of the material for my approval which arrived in the mail earlier....I think the colour is bang on to my original sample and a little bit nicer then the Legendary Stuff.  :alan2cents:
The cost of the top made is $495.00 USD
They say 4-6 weeks turn around.

SMS does NOT make the tops in house, they send them out.

I could not have done this without
@750-h2 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/750-h2_181) 's help. Yvan had his invoice # from five years ago, and with that, SMS was able to view his file and make my new top to the exact same dimensions as his. Thank you Yvan :drinkingbud:

I will follow up on their time frame....I'm hoping it's not two years... :rofl:

@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) If you want one, you should call now ! ........same with you Dan..... :drinkingbud:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 14, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
Does anybody want to buy a narrow seam antique green Challenger vinyl top ? :)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on June 14, 2018, 12:52:22 PM
Quote from: anlauto on June 14, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
Does anybody want to buy a narrow seam antique green Challenger vinyl top ? :)

As much business as you do with Year One they should take it back.... You told them you needed a wide seam top they sent the wrong part.... 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 14, 2018, 12:55:47 PM
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on June 14, 2018, 12:52:22 PM
Quote from: anlauto on June 14, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
Does anybody want to buy a narrow seam antique green Challenger vinyl top ? :)

As much business as you do with Year One they should take it back.... You told them you needed a wide seam top they sent the wrong part....

I know you meant Legendary Auto Interiors.....but YES, that's what the car's owner suggested too....I'll bring it to Carlisle to give to them maybe.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on June 14, 2018, 02:30:26 PM
AL, happy to hear its all working out for you! :bigthumb:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on August 05, 2018, 07:30:01 PM
Just wondering if you ever got the wide seam antique green vinyl top. Also what are the measurements I still need to order one hoping you had yours and could tell me if it's right.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on August 06, 2018, 03:45:52 AM
Haven't got mine yet, thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on September 12, 2018, 06:16:09 PM
So it's been another month did you ever get the wide seam top from SMS? If so how does it look? Can you send me dimensions? Also if correct can you send me your order info so I can order the same thing.
Thanks
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on September 12, 2018, 07:13:02 PM
Nothing yet
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on September 25, 2018, 10:12:07 AM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977)  Here's what I found out today....It's been 15 weeks since I placed my order.

When I placed my order I was told they had plenty of material and it would be 4-6 weeks....

Now when you call them, there is a message saying "due to the amount of back order inquiries, you now have to email your questions"

So today I sent them an email and got a response fairly quickly .....here's what they said...."Still making the material, I will get a production time and keep you updated.

Kim"


Now I'm not sure what that means, so I emailed back:

"Great, thank you for the quick response Kim !
That's a real shame about the material. When I called back in June your company said you had lots of material and even confirmed it by mailing samples to me. I was told it was an out-sourced item and that it would take 4-6 weeks to manufacture the vinyl top. Now at 15 weeks you're saying you're making the material ? How long does that normally take ? Will the material be the same as the sample I approved ?

I need some help understanding the process please.

Cheers....Alan "



I guess we'll wait to see their answer. Did anybody else get theirs ?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on September 25, 2018, 10:47:32 AM
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) nothing here - I figured you were about a week ahead of me, so I'd hear the updates here first - curious to their response to your latest email.

I heard the "email inquiries" phone message about a month ago & didn't follow up with an email
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on September 25, 2018, 08:24:06 PM
I haven't ordered mine yet. It sounded so promising that it wouldn't take long, I was planning on getting an update on yours and if all was good then order mine. Not that I wanted you to be the guinea pig but you had already ordered so thought I would wait. Please let me know what you find out. Also if you could send me info on your order so I can order the same thing. I think I have the measurements wrote down somewhere for the wide seam but if you have something please post or let me know. I do have one other question dash pads I see 2 types available one is steel like the factory and the other uses plastic. Steel is quite a bit more money, do you know is it worth it? Have you or anybody else had any experience with either?
Thanks for any answers!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on September 26, 2018, 04:30:02 AM
Definitely spend the extra for a steel core, the plastic cores are all wavy. Dave at Roseville can help you out with a pad. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: JS29 on September 26, 2018, 05:58:00 AM
Quote from: anlauto on September 26, 2018, 04:30:02 AM
Definitely spend the extra for a steel core, the plastic cores are all wavy. Dave at Roseville can help you out with a pad. :alan2cents:
:iagree: You do not want to wast your money on A plastic piece of junk!!!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on October 17, 2018, 10:22:36 AM
So it's been over four months now. When I ordered in June they said they had plenty of material and even mailed me a sample, now they're saying the material will be made in November and my top will be made after that.... :looney:  I asked politely for an explanation, but I doubt I'll get one.

I'm sure glad they got my payment up front... :bigmoney:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on November 12, 2018, 01:47:48 PM
Thanks for your last update I haven't been on in awhile. I called them last month to order mine and she told me they were making the material and at best it would be the end of the year. Don't guess anything has changed on yours. Please keep me posted on progress. If you get a chance could you send me what 750-h2 sent you. Thanks!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on November 12, 2018, 01:59:12 PM
@750-h2 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/750-h2_181) can you help him out with your order number, I never keep that info....Apparently with your order they have the measurements needed to make a wide seam top.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on November 12, 2018, 03:27:34 PM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) I sent you a PM
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on November 13, 2018, 06:49:22 PM
Thanks for sending me the order info. I will keep checking back to see if anyone post some good news about receiving a top. Let's just hope it doesn't turn into 2 years it has me hung up.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on November 13, 2018, 06:56:58 PM
750-h2 you said your 1970 is F8 with the antique green vinyl top. What color interior does your car have?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Morty426 on November 13, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
Well it's November so hopefully everyone gets their top made soon. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on November 14, 2018, 06:43:23 AM
Quote from: F8RT on November 13, 2018, 06:56:58 PM
750-h2 you said your 1970 is F8 with the antique green vinyl top. What color interior does your car have?

F8RT my car is a V code SE and has the F8 green cloth and vinyl houndstooth interior.  What colour is yours?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on November 16, 2018, 06:54:00 AM
It's been five months now on their 4-6 week estimate. No answer on the last email I sent, will try again today to get an ETA. :tired:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on November 16, 2018, 04:12:54 PM
 :banana: Got a reply  :banana: :banana:
Material is still being reproduced, I will have a better time frame shortly and I will let you know.

Sorry for all the delays.

Kim
  :tired: :tired: :tired: :'(
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on December 03, 2018, 04:55:10 PM
So here is today's answer to my very repetitive question...

We are finishing the material now, hoping to have the top shipped by Christmas.

Sorry for all the delays.

Kim
  :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on December 05, 2018, 07:49:19 PM
Thanks for the update on your top. Let's hope they are telling the truth. Let us know how it comes out.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on December 05, 2018, 08:32:57 PM
750-h2 mine is an F8 R/T 440 car with the antique green vinyl top and tan interior. Have you heard of many like mine. I would like to know how many were made. I just cant find any pics of any.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on December 05, 2018, 11:47:13 PM
you can't combine OPTIONS, but I have fender tag info on 37 "EF8" Challenger R/Ts with the following interiors:

1 with H6XW - white vinyl
2 with H6T5 - tan vinyl
3 with HRX9 - black leather/vinyl
5 with H5F8 - green cloth/vinyl
6 with H6X9 - black vinyl
20 with H6F8 - green vinyl

1 with gator vinyl top
7 with black vinyl top
8 with white vinyl top
9 with green vinyl top
10 with painted roof (EF8)
&
2 with "unknown" top
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on December 06, 2018, 12:04:49 AM
of those 37 "EF8" Challenger R/Ts:

1 had V5F - green body side mouldings

1 had V9J - sublime "bumblebee" stripes (FJ5)
1 had V6J - chartreuse side stripes
1 had V6X - black side stripes
3 had V9X - black "bumblebee" stripes
2 had V9F - green "bumblebee" stripes (EF4)
4 had V6W - white side stripes
6 had V6F - green side stripes
14 had V68 - DELETE side stripes
&
4 had "unknown" stripes

..... only 4 have V21 - performance hood paint
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on December 06, 2018, 03:53:54 AM
Do you have the same type info of FF4 Challenger R/T's ?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Morty426 on December 06, 2018, 08:42:30 AM
Quote from: anlauto on December 06, 2018, 03:53:54 AM
Do you have the same type info of FF4 Challenger R/T's ?

Since he owns a FF4 Challenger I would hope so  :D
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on December 06, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
I have fender tag info on 19 "FF4" Challenger R/Ts with the following interiors:

1 with HRX9 - black leather/vinyl
5 with H5F8 - green cloth/vinyl
2 with H6X9 - black vinyl
11 with H6F8 - green vinyl

1 with white vinyl top
3 with black vinyl top
4 with painted roof (FF4)
10 with green vinyl top
&
1 with "unknown" top

1 had V9J - sublime "bumblebee" stripes (FJ5)
2 had V9X - black "bumblebee" stripes (TX9)
2 had V6W - white side stripes
3 had V68 - DELETE side stripes
5 had V6X - black side stripes
5 had V6F - green side stripes
&
1 had "unknown" stripes

..... only 3 have V21 - performance hood paint
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on December 06, 2018, 10:32:37 AM
You have the info on the car I'm restoring correct ?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on December 06, 2018, 11:47:48 AM
Yes, it's one of 3 - 4.10 DANA FF4 cars on the "list"
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on December 06, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
How many of the FF4 cars have the fiberglass TA style hood ? :D
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Morty426 on December 06, 2018, 12:41:05 PM
Quote from: anlauto on December 06, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
How many of the FF4 cars have the fiberglass TA style hood ? :D

I think it's safe to say that number is ONE
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on December 06, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
in regards to the 1 of 1 claims, just the available combinations for the above color combos "studies" for EF8 & FF4
and I'm sure there are combos not accounted for: tan interiors in FF4 cars & other body side mouldings

EF8 (1) x interiors (6) x tops (5) x stripes (9) x hood treatment (2) = 540 combinations
FF4 (1) x interiors (4) x tops (4) x stripes (6) x hood treatment (2) = 192 combinations

so that's 732 possible combinations represented by those 56 R/Ts, strictly looking at colors
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on December 06, 2018, 02:37:41 PM
Quote from: anlauto on December 06, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
How many of the FF4 cars have the fiberglass TA style hood ? :D
of the 19 FF4 R/Ts: my car is this one:

1 of 2 with H6X9 - black vinyl interior
1 of 10 with V1F - green vinyl top
1 of 5 had V6X - black side stripes

& it has the N94 "fiberglass fresh air hood"

.... the prior EF8/FF4 lists do show the dominance of the green/green/green combinations  :bigmoney:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on December 09, 2018, 07:40:49 PM
From the info you have I would assume mine is not very common
70 R/T
440 4bbl
Automatic Tran.
H6T5 - interior
EF8 - paint
VF1 - top
V5F - body side molding ( which I couldn't find replacement pieces)
Air conditioning
Power steering and brakes
Rim blow horn
Rear window defogger
Am/Fm radio

I have tried to find out approx. how many were made like this but have had no luck. I have only seen pics of a convertible that was F8 and tan interior but none of hard tops. Thanks for sharing what info you have that's the most info I have on cars like mine.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on December 09, 2018, 09:28:53 PM
I too am surprised there are not more green/tan cars - got pics?
yours would be the 3rd R/T with EF8/H6T5 & I don't have any pics of the others

I also have ~55 JH EF8 car's info & there are 2 convertible 340 cars that are EF8/H6T5

my BH info - 1 EF8/H6T5
my BP info - 0 EF8 & tan
my BS info - 2 EF8/H6T5 & 1 EF8/PRT5

:takepicture:

here's the Barracuda  :tool: wonder if it's currently green/tan  :dunno:
one of the 'cudas - For Sale at the Mopar Nat's a few years ago - but it lost its "GREEN"  :bigmoney:
& one of the Challenger 'verts - a couple years ago from eBay (I thought I had better pics)  :huh:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on January 06, 2019, 12:49:47 PM
Did they ever send your top? Is so what did you think?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 06, 2019, 02:41:15 PM
Quote from: F8RT on January 06, 2019, 12:49:47 PM
Did they ever send your top? Is so what did you think?

I haven't got mine yet  :headbang:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on January 06, 2019, 06:11:48 PM
I received mine on 1/4/19 - ordered on 6/15/18 & told 4-5 weeks
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on January 06, 2019, 06:13:45 PM
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) hopefully yours is on its way - just held up in border/customs  :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 06, 2019, 07:17:14 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 06, 2019, 06:13:45 PM
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) hopefully yours is on its way - just held up in border/customs  :dunno:

An email from them would have been nice, maybe a tracking number  :dunno: I'll see what they say tomorrow if they answer my email.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on January 06, 2019, 07:43:02 PM
I just them an email to see if they have the vinyl in stock now. So are you pleased with what they sent you?  And it was the wide seam?  It's been so long I can't even remember what the cost was do you remember?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 07, 2019, 03:59:48 AM
I was charged $495 plus shipping also back in June.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on January 07, 2019, 01:23:17 PM
You guys are doing good. At this point I had another 1 1/2 year wait before getting my vinyl top.  :haha:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 07, 2019, 01:29:12 PM
....I got a very short email saying "it ships today" ....I asked for a tracking number...we'll see how that goes...
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on January 07, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 07, 2019, 03:59:48 AM
I was charged $495 plus shipping also back in June.

that's what mine was ..... wasn't yours more with the extra material for the sunroof panel?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 07, 2019, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 07, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 07, 2019, 03:59:48 AM
I was charged $495 plus shipping also back in June.

that's what mine was ..... wasn't yours more with the extra material for the sunroof panel?

YES,  that was a separate  $85
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Morty426 on January 07, 2019, 06:58:03 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 07, 2019, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on January 07, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 07, 2019, 03:59:48 AM
I was charged $495 plus shipping also back in June.

that's what mine was ..... wasn't yours more with the extra material for the sunroof panel?

YES,  that was a separate  $85

Did you get a tracking number?

Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 07, 2019, 07:24:12 PM
Quote from: Morty426 on January 07, 2019, 06:58:03 PM





Did you get a tracking number?

Oh yea................NO   :headbang:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on January 07, 2019, 07:49:37 PM
They called me tonight said they had material in stock now and would just need to make it. She told me $630.00 I guess that was delivered she took my charge card info and said I would get an email when it ships. That's quite a bit more money but at this point I just need to get one!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 08, 2019, 03:52:42 AM
You'll likely get yours before I do  :pullinghair: They'll send you mine :rofl:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 11, 2019, 04:11:05 PM
I got tracking info today and it says it left OR at 2 pm today :fingerscrossed:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Morty426 on January 11, 2019, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: anlauto on January 11, 2019, 04:11:05 PM
I got tracking info today and it says it left OR at 2 pm today :fingerscrossed:

Called Las Vegas and they say the odds you get a narrow seam top are 10:1   ;)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on January 12, 2019, 11:44:34 PM
Let's keep our fingers crossed you get it. They are not the easy people to get along with. They always want your money up front but can never tell you when your going to get your order. They told me they had a price increase the first of the year due to scarcity of the material and the amount of work to make one. They were already more than double what Legendary charges. I told them I understood prices going up but almost a1/3 higher. I'm on there email list and have inquired about the top at 3 different times since you guys ordered yours and they never mentioned a price increase unlike other vendors that have sent me emails about upcoming increases. I guess they figure where else you going go, but not a good way to run a business.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 13, 2019, 05:52:58 AM
I've heard of another company called Acme but unfortunately have no other information.... :clueless:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on January 13, 2019, 07:57:16 AM
We order a lot of headliners and vinyl tops from Acme. No negative feedback but I haven't installed or seen one installed to comment on them.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on January 13, 2019, 10:29:46 AM
Do you have any contact info on ACME I did a search but the one I found doesn't have much early 70's dodge stuff.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on January 13, 2019, 11:39:28 AM
Here you go.

http://www.acmeautoheadlining.com/
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 13, 2019, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on January 13, 2019, 11:39:28 AM
Here you go.

http://www.acmeautoheadlining.com/

Yea, that could be the place...The guy that told me about it was talking about headliners for sunroof cars at the time....Might be worth a phone call to see if they can do a vinyl top too ? :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 21, 2019, 02:05:26 PM
OKAY  :banana: :banana: :banana: Here we go, my top arrived today, 221 days after being ordered, only 31.5 weeks on a 4-5 week promise :looney:

But I lined up a threesome for Dan @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) who was asking about the colour of my original sample....
Here it goes, my OEM sample, the section that was folded under on the sunroof panel of the 70 Challenger I'm working on...This area would have never been exposed to sunlight. My Legendary Auto Interior sample I bought thinking it was a wide seam (for sale by the way) and my new sample of SMS's ...you be the judge....

This is just under normal household lights in my office :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on January 21, 2019, 05:59:16 PM
Congrats! In my eyes SMS looks much closer to your OE sample.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Morty426 on January 21, 2019, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: 750-h2 on January 21, 2019, 05:59:16 PM
Congrats! In my eyes SMS looks much closer to your OE sample.

I would agree.  Being colored I am sure there is lot variation and the SMS is close enough
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on January 29, 2019, 11:00:58 AM
I agree SMS looks the closes. I'm glad Legendary didn't make the wide seam and I went with SMS just wish they were easier to get along with.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on January 29, 2019, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: F8RT on January 29, 2019, 11:00:58 AM
I agree SMS looks the closes. I'm glad Legendary didn't make the wide seam and I went with SMS just wish they were easier to get along with.

Yea I agree, hard to believe they are still in business, but I guess if they have what people need, then they can run their business however they like  :angry: :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 02, 2019, 08:51:39 AM
Just got email my top is being shipped should be delivered next week. Have either of you installed your new tops? Just wondered if they look right installed and if you had any issues.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on February 02, 2019, 09:10:07 AM
That SMS looks pretty good I think.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on February 02, 2019, 10:02:10 AM
Quote from: F8RT on February 02, 2019, 08:51:39 AM
Just got email my top is being shipped should be delivered next week. Have either of you installed your new tops? Just wondered if they look right installed and if you had any issues.

Aiming for mid-February installation  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 10, 2019, 06:17:56 PM
Got my top and laid it on top of my car. Have a couple of questions if anyone can answer. Does anyone know the distance between seams on front and back? Also back window not cut out maybe that's normal. But the pieces that go down the A pillar are missing anyone elses like that. I also have approx. 11/4" by 6 to 8" area by the seam that is flat. I don't know if they iron the seams and it got on the top but it definitely stands out. Besides that they ended up charging $649 plus another $35 for shipping. To say the least I'm a little pissed off! Any info you can share about dimensions and A pillar pieces would be appreciated. I think it's too wide in the front. Calling them tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on February 10, 2019, 06:33:46 PM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) I just read your post tonight and went and laid mine out for the first time. (benefit of having my shop at my house) Has a nice contrast to the FF4 green paint.

Mine looks good, it will take a bit of effort to get the wrinkles out, but there doesn't seem to be any puckering along the seam which is a common issue with tops. Mine definitely has the "A" pillar pieces attached and also no rear window opening....This is important for avoiding having an "extra seam" below the window as Sheldon dealt with.

Mine is tentatively going to be installed on the 16th of this month.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 10, 2019, 07:35:21 PM
Thanks for getting back so quickly. If you get a chance to measure the distance between seams I would really appreciate it. I'm 50" in the front which doesn't look right to me. When they start stretching out wrinkles I think it will be in the curve of the window. Here are pics of mine the seams look really flat compared to my original but it was really old. The one picture shows the flat spot on the top. I think you can see it. I like the color the backing material is not as heavy as the sample they sent but looks good with the dark green. I'm just really disappointed they would send it to me without the A pillar pieces. And I payed quit a bit more.  Hopefully no problem getting it replaced other than time.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 10, 2019, 07:39:26 PM
Does your seam look that flat? Just looks strange now I'm looking at picture I sent, maybe I'm too picky.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 10, 2019, 07:47:29 PM
I do like the color contrast on yours but I think it looks good on mine also.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on February 10, 2019, 08:10:48 PM
my V1F top has been laying on the bed in a spare room since it arrived 1/4, I'll have to place it on top of the car tomorrow & see how it lays

at the front, the seams are ~50" apart - placed at the inside corners of the A-pillar material which are intact and have an additional 23" of material below a seam

yes,
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) it appears someone left the seam iron on the top off the seam in that spot - I just followed both seams & thankfully I do NOT have a similar problem
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on February 10, 2019, 08:11:13 PM
Top looks great but they must have been thinking A-body I guess.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 10, 2019, 08:28:10 PM
So my original I thought had a seam on the A pillar a couple of inches down from the corner. I might be wrong. Is that what you are saying or you just mean there should be another 23" past the corner for the A pillar. Either way it needs to be fixed and I really don't like the flat spot.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on February 10, 2019, 08:39:27 PM
correct, there is a seam near the top of the A-pillar & 23" of material below that (your top is missing this 23")
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on February 11, 2019, 03:48:58 AM
I just looked again at mine...I have no visible flat spots along the seams and mine measures the same as Dans :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on February 11, 2019, 06:25:22 AM
F8RT. From your picture it looks like your seam is flatter than mine. They definitely left the iron too long on that one spot. If you blow up the picture of my car you can see that my seam has some thickness to it.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on February 11, 2019, 06:59:44 AM
There you go.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 11, 2019, 08:07:43 AM
Thanks everyone for the info. I will call today and see where I get with them. Thanks for the pictures that helps a lot. Your seams do look a little thicker, it's like the iron really flattened mine out. I also noticed the backing material on the one I received is not near as heavy as the backing on the sample they sent. That could change the thickness of seam also. The sample looked like what was on my original top like a cloth backing the new looks like netting.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on February 16, 2019, 02:48:41 PM
Install went flawless today, my upholstery guy really liked the quality of the SMS top over the LAI tops he's installed in the past. Material was thinner, more pliable and easier to work with. Really like the fact that the rear window was NOT cut out because it was easier to pull into position.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 16, 2019, 03:39:46 PM
That looks really nice can your guy come to Oklahoma and install mine if I ever get another one?  I guess he comes to you?  What's the normal cost I have never had one done?

Does your seams still have the texture on them or where they ironed flat like mine?

I contacted SMS on Monday hard to get them on the phone they want you to leave a message or go online.  But I finally talked to someone when I call the to place an order line. They said to send pictures and explain the problem, so I did. I got an email back that afternoon and said they would look into it and get back with me.  I haven't heard another thing.  Seems pretty simple it's not right make another one!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on February 16, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
 :wowzers: when do the stripes go on?
..... and shouldn't the hood be painted black?  :rofl:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on February 16, 2019, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: 6bblgt on February 16, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
:wowzers: when do the stripes go on?
..... and shouldn't the hood be painted black?  :rofl:


You know......If you just send your project here, you be driving a finished car next Summer instead of just looking at it  :alan2cents: :)

P.S. The stripes are NOT what you think they are.... ;)
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on February 16, 2019, 05:48:47 PM
Quote from: F8RT on February 16, 2019, 03:39:46 PM


Does your seams still have the texture on them or where they ironed flat like mine?


There was absolutely no imperfections in the vinyl that we could find, nothing like what was in your pictures. My guy pointed out that one "A" pillar seam was slightly lower then the other but there was nothing that could be done about it.

I mentioned you lack of "A" pillar pieces and he said it was an easy fix if you had material...and you knew what you were doing... :smile:

My guy, Scott, has worked on every car I've restored since 1985. I proud to call him a friend and an important part of my team. :worship:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 16, 2019, 10:05:55 PM
We were thinking we had the material from the back window that could possibly be used for A pillars. But still have the issue of the big flat spot and the seams really don't look right. They are smooth no grain like the rest. I feel like they already stuck it to me on price compared to what it started out $685 delivered. I shouldn't have to except a 2nd and piece together A pillars.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Morty426 on February 17, 2019, 08:22:39 AM
Quote from: F8RT on February 16, 2019, 10:05:55 PM
We were thinking we had the material from the back window that could possibly be used for A pillars. But still have the issue of the big flat spot and the seams really don't look right. They are smooth no grain like the rest. I feel like they already stuck it to me on price compared to what it started out $685 delivered. I shouldn't have to except a 2nd and piece together A pillars.

What they sold you is garbage. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on February 17, 2019, 08:25:36 AM
Yes: I'm surprised they haven't gotten back to you right away. They don't want their reputation stained by what they sold you I wouldn't think.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on February 17, 2019, 09:26:12 AM
I like the quality of their top, but have nothing nice to say about their customer service. :thumbdown:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on February 17, 2019, 11:02:23 AM
So this is my first restoration and not familiar with replacement vinyl tops. Again the flatness of the seams just doesn't look right to me along with the other issues. Is that the normal process they appear to be sewn on underneath side then folded and possibly ironed. In doing so all the texture or grain from the material has been flattened out. I plan on contacting them again tomorrow to find out the plan to make it right. I just want to know if I need to press the issue of the seams or it's just normal. Again any input would be appreciated.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on February 17, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
Press the issue, That isn't right at all. You need a new top.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: JS29 on February 17, 2019, 12:32:52 PM
When the vinyl top on my 70 gran coupe needs attention, it will get removed then I will paint the roof black and call it a day!  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: Morty426 on February 17, 2019, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: F8RT on February 17, 2019, 11:02:23 AM
So this is my first restoration and not familiar with replacement vinyl tops. Again the flatness of the seams just doesn't look right to me along with the other issues. Is that the normal process they appear to be sewn on underneath side then folded and possibly ironed. In doing so all the texture or grain from the material has been flattened out. I plan on contacting them again tomorrow to find out the plan to make it right. I just want to know if I need to press the issue of the seams or it's just normal. Again any input would be appreciated.

Holy hell - they missed the A pillars and baked the seems flat and then toasted a large section to have no grain.

You wouldn't put this on your ex-wife's car.

It's total garbage.  It needs to be replaced. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 07:27:28 AM
I have one similar, minus the AC and rear defogger...also have lots of side moldings but I'm trying to verify if they are correct color.  Mine appear almost black they are so dark.  The previous owner left me with several and extras.  Here's a copy of one of the two build sheets I found in this very well preserved car.

Kevin in Illinois
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 08:16:13 AM
This thread was a good find!  My 70 RT is EF8 with H5F8 interior (that is nearly perfect and original).  It's also a numbers matching 440 auto with even the original carb and distributor.  How solid are these figures?  What is the source?  And with mine being a 440, is it even more rare (I hate to state the over-used "1 of 1" but it beckons the question)?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 08:26:17 AM
I have the one V5F body side molding EF8.  This is beyond cool.  Now just to determine if the detached moldings I got with the car are actually the right color.  They seem so dark, they are almost black.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 08:32:17 AM
I'll be in the identical dilemma...hoping someone has an answer.  Randy VanHook, of VanHook Upholstery in Bloomington IL (they do very high end mopar work) has personally told me he can do it.  I put faith in it, hopefully not in vane.  His number is 309-310-7886.  Google him, they have a website.  Don't let the website discourage you, he does furniture restorations also.  Hope this can help.

Kevin in Illinois
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 08:35:11 AM
Just now saw this, but i'd be interested also.

Kevin in Illinois
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 08:39:58 AM
Geez, just now seeing all this.  I'm just now digging into this for my own F8 RT.  Were you pleased with what you got?

Kevin in Illinois
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 08:43:47 AM
Could you please pass the info along to me as well? 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 08:46:57 AM
Could you please send me this info as well?  Apparently I'd better get this on order if it takes so long.  I'll definitely be needing this ASAP.  I'd deeply appreciate it.  Sorry to just now see this thread.

Kevin in Illinois
309-645-8053
kcassidy@mtco.com
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on May 27, 2019, 09:43:42 AM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) any update on your vinyl top "situation"?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on May 27, 2019, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 08:43:47 AM
Could you please pass the info along to me as well?

@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436) Kevin, if you don't tag someone or quote the specific post you are referring to, it's hard to determine what specific info you are requesting from a ~10 page thread
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on May 27, 2019, 09:56:23 AM
there are partial year Chrysler generated "Option & Accessory Reports" that have installation rates for most OPTIONS, these usually cover ~90% of total production

I am probably the source on the remainder of the numbers presented, based on my current collection of data

@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436) you state that your moulding inserts are almost black, do they appear green? does the backside/core of the insert material appear a different color?  maybe cut/dissect a short piece that is not reusable?

does your 440 R/T have its original door sticker?  does it show completion in "10-1969" or "11-1969"?  got a pic?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
6bblgt, here's the door decal.   Also, I'm short bussed when it comes to forum software.  Who'd a thought that clicking "reply" above a member's comment wouldn't reply specifically to that member, lol.  Any tutoring appreciated on any of the above.  I'd love to be more active in the forum vs the Facebook group, but get a bit confused.  Hope this finds you. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on May 27, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Quote from: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
6bblgt, here's the door decal.   Also, I'm short bussed when it comes to forum software.  Who'd a thought that clicking "reply" above a member's comment wouldn't reply specifically to that member, lol.  Any tutoring appreciated on any of the above.  I'd love to be more active in the forum vs the Facebook group, but get a bit confused.  Hope this finds you.

@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436)  if you want to be sure a post is seen by a particular member just add the @ symbol at the front of their name as I did with your name... You should receive a personal message notifying you of the post....

And if you look all the way to the left at posters names there's a link that says Send Private Message..
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on May 27, 2019, 12:47:42 PM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) It looks like they're dark blue according to a bad one that I peeled back.  Some of the used OEMs had B5 overspray on them.  My inventory is as such: 1 LR NOS, 1 DD NOS, 1 LF NOS, 3 RR OEM (2 restorable), 1 PD OEM Restorable, 1 RF OEM Restorable.  All apparently dark blue.  Now the question remains as to product and tint to use to dye these and if V5F is light or dark green. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" & V5F what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on May 27, 2019, 01:08:06 PM
Great on the door decal - your car is the earliest Hamtramck assembly line #2 November car I can track, THANKS!

we solved the V1F "what color was it?", now we'll get on the V5F (Challenger) "what color was it?" hunt  :brainiac:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on May 27, 2019, 08:27:25 PM
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) - They said they were going to replace my top 2 months went by hadn't heard anything. Contacted them they said they were still making the material. That was a month ago and haven't heard anything since. Sad thing is 3 of us ordered tops they had to make the material. They screw mine up and now have to make more material. You would have thought they would make more than enough for 3 the first time. It really has me held up.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 20, 2019, 03:26:17 PM
@750-h2 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/750-h2_181) Could I beg you for a copy of your order for the wide seam V1F from SMS?  I'm elbows deep in a quad green F8 restoration and it looks like I'd better get one coming since the wait seems so long.  Also, have you gotten yours yet?  What was the total time from ordering?  And are you happy with it?  Thanks in advance,
Kevin
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 20, 2019, 05:48:27 PM
Call them and ask them to look up my last order Alan Gallant . They should still have the info on file  :dunno:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on June 20, 2019, 06:03:10 PM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436), I ordered my vinyl top about 4 years ago. Allan ordered his about a year ago so his info should be easier to find. If you have no luck get back to me.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on June 20, 2019, 09:17:13 PM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436)  they are still making the vinyl material to replace mine with, so you can check my order it is the same as Alan's.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 21, 2019, 09:57:07 AM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) so I just called them, and she pulled up Alan's order and said "then you want boar grain and green with the wide seams, correct?"  I wanted to be sure before I paid her so I'm verifying it here first and told her I'd call back Monday.  She also said Alan ordered an extra yard (I'd be charged $85 extra for that).  Is extra needed?  Cost without the extra yard was $795 + Shipping.  I want to make sure it all sounds correct before ordering.  Thanks in advance and forgive my inexperience with forum software and not knowing how to tag Alan.  I'll attach again my fender tag pic. 
Kevin
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: JS29 on June 21, 2019, 10:06:26 AM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436)  You tag some one by putting @ then there user name. @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19)  there i just did it for you!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 21, 2019, 10:15:48 AM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436) You DO NOT need the "extra yard" of material. I ordered that because I was restoring a factory sunroof car and you need the extra material.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 21, 2019, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: JS29 on June 21, 2019, 10:06:26 AM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436)  You tag some one by putting @ then there user name. @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19)  there i just did it for you!

Thanks...I'm never too far away  :veryexcited:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 21, 2019, 10:26:20 AM
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) @F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) so the green boar grain and wide seam is what I need?  No other terminology needed?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on June 21, 2019, 10:40:16 AM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436) that is what mine is. From my research and what was on my car all 1970's were a wide seam. Also mine is called antique green which from my research was only offered on 1970's. It will take awhile to get it being I'm told the vinyl is still being made. They will send you a free sample which I recommend to make sure it matches your original. It's only about 1" square. My interior was tan the only place I could get the correct headliner was from them also. They will send sample of it also. You can go online and request samples just check boxes of what you need.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 21, 2019, 12:01:04 PM
Quote from: 7E-Bodies on June 21, 2019, 10:26:20 AM
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) @F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) so the green boar grain and wide seam is what I need?  No other terminology needed?

YES
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 25, 2019, 08:14:40 AM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) I saw in one of your posts that your car came with the V5F code body side moldings and that you couldn't find replacements.  I'm in the same boat yet I have NOS blue ones that I plan to either vinyl dye or paint with a flexible bumper type paint. My problem is I don't have an original to peel back and verify exact unfaded color for paint/dye matching.  The originals were such a light green they were almost milky.  Do you by chance have even a rough original?

Kevin

You can also text or call at 309-645-8053
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 25, 2019, 09:56:43 AM
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) @F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) Ok, my hat is officially in the ring. Order for vinyl top placed from SMS (and she got the info from Alan's order.  Slight inflation factored in, of course.  Maybe I'll take up golf and gardening for the next two years, lol.  We shall see. Hopefully they're getting quicker. 
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on June 25, 2019, 10:32:02 AM
I think somewhere in this thread I said how long mine took to get here...I can't see you're taking that long... :headbang:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 29, 2019, 06:55:34 PM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) @750-h2 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/750-h2_181) @RUNCHARGER (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/runcharger_192)
I just wanted to pop in and let you guys know that my phone chirped after dinner tonight indicating an email had arrived...an emailed shipping notice from SMS! Apparently my vinyl top has been shipped and is expected to arrive 11/4/19 (the cars 50th birthday!). That's almost 4 months to the day I ordered and paid. Apparently the process is streamlined. I figured you'd all want to know things had improved. I'll be sure to lay it out on the car and inspect it when it arrives and post pics and any follow up questions. Thank you all again for guiding me through this.

Kevin
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on October 29, 2019, 07:39:16 PM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436)
Hope you have better luck than I'm having. Everyone knows they sent me a bad top back in February which they said they would replace once they made more vinyl. It's been 9 months but got my last Tuesday. I laid it on the cay Saturday to check it out and to my surprise they made it wrong again!
Best I can tell it's backwards, sewed the left panel on the right and the right panel on the left. That makes the wide part of the seam in the front. Now trying to deal by phone message and email because no one will ever answer a phone. Today she emailed that she had made the top just like the last two. One being Alan's top. I sent pictures and tried to explain. I have asked for someone to call me so we can discuss. This has been approx an 18 month process I would like to complete my car.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 29, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) man you're scaring me!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on October 29, 2019, 07:53:34 PM
4th picture is the 1st one laying on top of the second one. You can't see where they ironed a flat place on the first one but it's on a previous post, you can see they didn't include the A pillar pieces. But you can see how bad the second one is. I just hope they made plenty of vinyl I can't wait another 9 months!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on October 31, 2019, 08:33:18 AM
Man is that SCR@$%*D up! Hope they make it right for you. I guess Alan and I got lucky?
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: anlauto on October 31, 2019, 08:46:53 AM
There is no emoji for the way I'm feeling right now  :Thud: I can't imagine what you're going through.... :pullinghair:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 31, 2019, 09:44:52 AM
I agree @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19)   ... heartache. And my same top is due to arrive tomorrow. I'm more than a tad bit concerned. I'm no Upholstry guy, so it'll be hard for me to lay it on the car and know what is meant to be pulled, stretched, trimmed and tucked. I honestly can't. My only hope is to lay it out, photograph it from all angles, and plead for help from you guys. I will certainly get back to this thread asap. I also am open to anyone here contacting me by phone after mine arrives. I could even walk around it with FaceTime running if that'd help. You guys have been nothing but helpful in this thread and I aim to return that virtue.

Kevin
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on November 01, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
Well, I may have lucked out. Here's what I have. Of course I will get any detailed photos and measurements you guys want, but please critique as needed. Sorry the left quarter is off. Doing the factory look undercoating from Resto Rick before I weld it on.
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on November 02, 2019, 07:02:31 AM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) is SMS offering any resolve? I can't understand how they could screw one up, then make another correct if they're truly using a pattern. If they'll work with you, I'm guessing the only good news is that they're turning these out in four months now and fall/winter are upon us. I'm hoping mine in the above pics is ok. Seems to be, but I'm no pro on vinyl tops. Hoping @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) @RUNCHARGER (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/runcharger_192) @750-h2 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/750-h2_181) and the others will critique the photos soon. According to SMS I have 5 days to inform of issues. All help appreciated
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on November 02, 2019, 08:32:59 AM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436)
From what I can see yours looks good! You must be living right got a good one the first time and only 4 months. They haven't sped up the process any you just managed to order when they had already started making more vinyl.
Well it's been a week on mine still no answer. Found out they use ACME to make their tops they are out of California. They are checking with their manufacturer before they will tell me anything. I asked if they still had vinyl and the first response was no they would need to make more. I blew up told them that's 9 months every time they have to make it. I asked for the owner to call me. She got back and said she found some material they still had. Of course you never know if they are telling the truth. This has been an 18 month process so far, I was going to order when Alan did but didn't want to send them my money until they had vinyl.
What really pisses me off is they will only communicate by email. We have gone back and forth half a dozen times and every time I asked them to call me. It's a shame that they are the only people that carry the correct material for several makes and models. The internet is loaded with people complaining about having to deal with them. What happened to the days when you tried to please your customers so they would come back again. If I don't get a satisfactory answer by Monday you all by be reading about a Oklahoma boy driving to Oregon with a baseball bat!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on November 02, 2019, 09:07:58 AM
@F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977) I'll shoot video and hold your beer!  lol  So mine looks ok? I thought the seems looked a little odd, and wondered about them being 1/2" instead of wider.  My problem is I got the car with the top already removed, so I have no accurate reference. I need to rely on you guys. Oops..."y'all", lol
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: F8RT on November 02, 2019, 11:01:10 AM
I don't claim to be an expert but it looks pretty good to me. I never measured my original seams for width but it looks close to what I remember. I still have pieces of mine but it would be tomorrow before I could measure. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in. I know if it was mine I would be doing back flips right now I would be so happy!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on November 02, 2019, 11:19:56 AM
I feel bad for you, man. Bring it up here if you ever want people to contact them as disappointed with their treatment of you. I'd certainly do that. Meanwhile feel free to reference my order posted several comments up. Stay on them!
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 750-h2 on November 02, 2019, 03:17:56 PM
From those pictures I would say you are good to go! :bigthumb:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on November 02, 2019, 04:44:25 PM
 :angry: @F8RT (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/f8rt_1977)  I can't believe they have now sent you 2 screwed up tops  :bricks:
Title: Re: 1970 Challenger V1F "green vinyl top" what color was it?
Post by: 6bblgt on November 02, 2019, 04:50:53 PM
@7E-Bodies (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/7e-bodies_436) your top looks good to go & I've been wanting to set the one I got almost a year ago on my car - after seeing the 2 screwed up tops above I was starting to wonder, this has been laying on a spare bed since it arrived - but looks to be "proper" size & shape