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Title: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: garrettlmiller on May 11, 2020, 11:07:59 PM
Hey everyone,

I have to apologize in advance.  I'm not a huge forum guy and have never been one but I'm definitely in over my head and no better time to learn than now! 

My dad drove a 1970 Cuda aar in high school and its been in our garage awaiting some TLC since I was a kid.  The irony is he's a car mechanic so this task would be a lot easier for him but he just didn't feel like working on cars in his free time or with his money.  Now that I'm older, and with the car currently sitting in MY garage, I thought I'd undertake the task since I have some spare time to get this thing (running to start) and hopefully restore it to its original glory eventually as finances permit.

So I just wanted to say hi here first and eventually get a restoration post going.  I'm from Seattle, WA.  36 years old fisherman that hasn't done much more than an oil change. That said, I hope that I can find some friends to help encourage and not discourage this project.  I come with 100 percent humility and respect for the craft.  Any help or direction about where to go and how to start would be greatly appreciated.  I will also be catching up on forum posts and whatever the internet has to offer. 

So here's a picture and I'll post what I've gathered from the fender tag. Interior is all intact with a single rip in the dash and both seats. Fairly straight body besides dings and a terrible paint job and has been covered, garaged, but with quite a bit of rust on her under the hood and under the car as one would expect from a 50 year old car. 

Nice to meet ya'll!  :thankyou:

edit: forget the infos in case anyone curious

Price Class:   Special   S
Body Type:   2 door hardtop   23
Engine:   340ci V8 six-pak HP (LA motor)   J
Year:   1970   0
Assembly Plant:   Hamtramck, MI   B
26-radiator diamater width
EN1-end of fender tag code line 1 build
N85-tac-rally dash
N94-fiberglass hood 
R11-am radio
V6H-stripe 
Y05-build to specs us car
G36-OS Dual Racing Mirrors
J45-hood pins 
J82-rear spoiler 
M21-drip row moldings 
M88-deck molding 
N44-side exit exhaust
EK2-vitamin C orange 
A53-trans am package 
A62-rally dash
B51-power brakes 
C16-Console w/Woodgrain Panel
C55-Bucket Seats
EK2-Vitamin C Orange
H6X9- Trim Grade High; Front Seat Vinyl Buckets; Interior Black
000-upper door frame color (doesn't have any full door panels)
413- schedule production date
M04295-order number
E55-engine 340 6 pack 
D32-auto 
BS23-plymouth cuda 2 door hardtop

   
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: cudamadd on May 12, 2020, 01:43:01 AM
A very good place to learn every thing you need to know .  :australia:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: cudamadd on May 12, 2020, 01:51:50 AM
And a very big welcome to the forum ,there are many different ways and levels of restorations .I always put it down to money and time plenty of good people here with so much knowledge. :australia:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: nsmall on May 12, 2020, 03:03:35 AM
 :welcome:. You got yourself a killer car my friend!
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Dakota on May 12, 2020, 03:25:33 AM
Welcome to the site from Buffalo, NY.  It's great that you have the opportunity to bring your dad's car back to life.  You'll find whatever help you need here.   
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Brads70 on May 12, 2020, 04:02:35 AM
Welcome! What a great car!  :bravo:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Rich G. on May 12, 2020, 06:20:06 AM
That's one hell of a car to have for your first restoration. Take lots of pictures before you take anything apart and don't throw anything out! Good luck!
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: anlauto on May 12, 2020, 06:25:21 AM
Welcome to the best E-Body website in the world  :welcome:

Great car you have to start with.

In my opinion, 1st thing to do is decide what you want your end goal to be and set your sights on that. Don't deviate from that goal and waste money and time on things that are not in that goal.

Whether your end goal is an OE restoration or some level of Resto-mod....don't be in a hurry to get it on the road so much that you waste money on items that are not in your end goal. For example: If it needs tires so you can drive it....don't waste money on cheap tires, get the correct tires that you want on your end goal, even if it means you have to save more...

Full proper restorations, whether you do it yourself or have a shop help you.....THEY ARE EXPENSIVE  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Shoooter on May 12, 2020, 06:26:49 AM
Following this one! Great car
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Chryco Psycho on May 12, 2020, 06:32:21 AM
Welcome to the site from Panama  :twothumbsup:
I have always thought a AAR would lo great in silver , it is a long process to completely restore a car & never cheap !
If you decide to strip the car completely for paint bag & tag Everything & take far too many pictures so you know where everything goes !You can start restoring all of the individual components while the body is being done .
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: cuda hunter on May 12, 2020, 06:38:26 AM
sweet car! 
too many pictures is an understatement. Take waaaay too many pictures.  Literally bag and tag every single nut and bolt.
And take some more pictures. Crucial when putting things back together in years to come.

Your dad had great taste.  Did he purchase this new?
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: RUNCHARGER on May 12, 2020, 08:02:43 AM
Welcome; Great car to start. It will take quite a bit of time. One method that may work for you is to not simply take the whole car apart at once, You can take an assembly off and restore it, then put it aside. By them time you have the car all apart, most of it will be restored and you will be anxious to keep going to the finish. A good first project may be the dash assembly for example, then the seats, then the steering column etc.
A lot of people totally pull a car apart, look at the huge daunting mess and then let it sit for 25 years before selling it.
As the guys said, take tons of photos and do not throw anything away, bag and tag everything.
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: JS29 on May 12, 2020, 08:27:21 AM
 :welcome: Good to see a car past down like this!  :handshake:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: oldmoparbuff on May 12, 2020, 09:55:32 AM
Great car.
Welcome to the forum.
There is a wealth of knowledge here, that is not available anywhere else.
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: headejm on May 12, 2020, 11:17:03 AM
 :welcome: from Central Illinois! I just finished a total restoration and it took about three years and a lot of money. Start with a plan, take your time, and enjoy the process. It can be very rewarding. You have a great car to restore and very valuable.  :cheers:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: anlauto on May 12, 2020, 11:24:55 AM
Pretty cool that in the span of a month or so we have two new members who have very little experience owning and or restoring a muscle car, and they have a rare, very desirable 1970 AAR Cuda basically just fall in their laps, with little or no initial investment whatsoever.... :clapping:

These are cars that die hard Mopar gear heads sometimes never get the chance to own...  :pullinghair:

I wish them both the best of luck and will be following both projects along everyday with great anticipation  :drinkingbud: :popcorn:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: soundcontrol on May 12, 2020, 11:56:03 AM
Welcome from Sweden!  :sweden:
You are in the right place, the best e-body forum in the world!
Will follow your resto.
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: chris NOS on May 12, 2020, 12:58:05 PM
Welcome ! please show more pictures off it ! :wave:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: 7212Mopar on May 12, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
Car looks good from the picture. Does it really need to be fully restored or just do selective work out of necessity.
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: anlauto on May 12, 2020, 01:36:38 PM
Quote from: 7212Mopar on May 12, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
Does it really need to be fully restored or just do selective work out of necessity.

....and there lies the first thing you have to decide :worship:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Scooter on May 12, 2020, 01:46:11 PM
Quote from: anlauto on May 12, 2020, 01:36:38 PM
Quote from: 7212Mopar on May 12, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
Does it really need to be fully restored or just do selective work out of necessity.

....and there lies the first thing you have to decide :worship:

My vote has always been to get a car street-able first. Any car guys I know respect the amount of work it takes just to keep these older rods on the street. And it keeps your interest/motivation up when you can drive and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Good on you for taking up the hobby!
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: 71vert340 on May 12, 2020, 03:22:12 PM
 I agree with @Scooter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/scooter_5461). I would get the needed work completed to drive it safely on the road. I'd fix the rest as time and money allows. I'd drive the wheels off of it in the mean time. Enjoy it.
Terry
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: 71383bee on May 12, 2020, 04:35:14 PM
Wow!  What luck!  2 AAR inheritance cars in a month!  Those are bucket list mopars there and deserve to get reintroduced to the world. My hats off to you there and welcome!


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Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: usraptor on May 12, 2020, 08:23:07 PM
 :welcome: from Utah.  Can't be said enough to take pictures of the same thing from several different angles as when you're trying to put something back together the one angle you need to see you won't have a picture of.  Also, bag and tag all parts, no matter how small and where they go.  Don't believe that you will remember where it goes, in most cases several years later.  Good luck and keep us posted and don't be afraid to ask questions as the only stupid question is the one you don't ask.
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: FIAARMN on May 12, 2020, 09:03:04 PM
Welcome, I am much like you, new to the world of AAR and inherited as well. I will be following your build and hope you do the same in mine......  Its a great forum and all of the members have been wonderful...... I have learned so much already.....

I am not going to get into a full restoration, keeping it true to how uncle had it (all ready a restro mod version n the late 1990s), drove it and his vision for it...... stop by my thread..

https://forum.e-bodies.org/your-restoration-project-roseville-moparts/10/inherited-family-owned-1970-aar-limelight-build/15895/msg214676#new
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: FIAARMN on May 12, 2020, 09:04:20 PM
 :bigthumb: :wave:

Thanks Sir!
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: garrettlmiller on May 13, 2020, 01:13:58 AM
Wow.  Laying in bed and I thought I'd check to see if anyone replied to my post.  Can't believe all the support this place has. 

I'll definitely get back to some of you guys but wanted to say thanks for all of the advice.  Believe me, I read every word. 

I'll take some more pictures and set up a progress thread when things get under way.  I'm still in the process of planning out my garage space (4 dump runs already, goodbye old possessions) and getting the necessary shop tools.

I'll probably send out some PMs to a couple of you guys within the week.  Shoutout to the other new guy!

Thanks everyone! :cheers:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: cudamadd on May 13, 2020, 02:56:43 AM
Way too go the more people building these car ,the more mopars saved the better .  :cheers:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: dodj on May 13, 2020, 05:00:57 AM
Welcome to the site! A very cool car to 'try your hand' at restoration. Looking forward to seeing it come back to life.
Beware, these cars have a way of destroying your budget plans.
:drinkingbud:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: anlauto on May 13, 2020, 05:21:12 AM
Quote from: garrettlmiller on May 13, 2020, 01:13:58 AM
I'll probably send out some PMs to a couple of you guys within the week.

No need for PM's this is a question and answer forum....we love to help....You can ask one question and get five different opinions  :grouphug:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: RUNCHARGER on May 13, 2020, 08:05:56 AM
Yes, we like to answer the questions publically so all can benefit. We also do not humble a newby because they ask a simple question. We've all been there starting out and we maintain a great level of respect on this forum.
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: xx88man on May 13, 2020, 09:01:48 AM
 :welcome:  to the best Mopar forum ever. Congrats on owning a car most of us would love to have but never will. I'll be following along
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Shoooter on August 08, 2020, 08:24:52 AM
I think we all need more pictures  :banana:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: CudaMoparRay on August 09, 2020, 11:13:23 PM
 :welcome: From Riverside California
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: anlauto on August 10, 2020, 04:29:35 AM
Quote from: Shoooter on August 08, 2020, 08:24:52 AM
I think we all need more pictures  :banana:


...or at least an update :D
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: 340challconvert on August 11, 2020, 06:21:03 PM
Wow
Great car!
Welcome to the site!
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: garrettlmiller on March 19, 2021, 07:36:05 PM
Hey everyone,

sorry I disappeared.  I'm ALIVE!  Covid's been a wild ride financially and personally for me.  The Cuda is still in the same spot as when I did my original post.  Weather depending I'll definitely send some more pictures out tomorrow as I start this little adventure.  I'm still extremely humbled and excited by everyone's posts.  I've got some money saved up to move forward on this project now but it will be slower than I think ANYONE wants. 

That said, my first order of business is getting the Intake and carburetors off the car this weekend so I can trade back with the guy that loaned my step-dad 30 years ago or so for our 6-pak.  I have a friend coming over that has worked on classic cars, but as I've mentioned previously I'm a COMPLETE noob when it comes to working on cars.  That said, if you need your computer fixed I'm your guy.  8)

Engine bay is super rusty.  Probably the roughest part of the whole car really.  Does anyone have any suggestions or advice so I don't break any bolts off or make my first mistake way too early.  Equipment I'll likely need to buy and stuff like that.    pretty much where im at is spray some bolts with PBblaster/wd40 9/16 wobbly drive and possibly a putty knife? 

I'll post some pics of the condition below.  Excited to be back and thank you! 








Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Chryco Psycho on March 19, 2021, 07:58:00 PM
Welcome Back , glad you are still with us !
Use a real penetrant Not WD 40 , Use good tools , for example a quality tool like snap on will remove a bolt already stripped by cheaper tools , just take your time & work the bolts out slowly , if they bind go the other way & add more lube .
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: DeathProofCuda on March 19, 2021, 09:43:46 PM
Quote from: garrettlmiller on March 19, 2021, 07:36:05 PM
Hey everyone,

sorry I disappeared.  I'm ALIVE!  Covid's been a wild ride financially and personally for me.  The Cuda is still in the same spot as when I did my original post.  Weather depending I'll definitely send some more pictures out tomorrow as I start this little adventure.  I'm still extremely humbled and excited by everyone's posts.  I've got some money saved up to move forward on this project now but it will be slower than I think ANYONE wants. 

That said, my first order of business is getting the Intake and carburetors off the car this weekend so I can trade back with the guy that loaned my step-dad 30 years ago or so for our 6-pak.  I have a friend coming over that has worked on classic cars, but as I've mentioned previously I'm a COMPLETE noob when it comes to working on cars.  That said, if you need your computer fixed I'm your guy.  8)

Engine bay is super rusty.  Probably the roughest part of the whole car really.  Does anyone have any suggestions or advice so I don't break any bolts off or make my first mistake way too early.  Equipment I'll likely need to buy and stuff like that.    pretty much where im at is spray some bolts with PBblaster/wd40 9/16 wobbly drive and possibly a putty knife? 

I'll post some pics of the condition below.  Excited to be back and thank you!

@garrettlmiller (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/garrettlmiller_7072), I'm in Seattle and have owned a 70 Cuda for 30+ years.  I'm no expert, but if you'd like someone that is familiar with working on these cars to lay eyes or your project, or if you just want to shoot the $hit about Mopars send me a PM.  Would be great to see that thing back on the road soon. :burnout:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: ledphoot on March 19, 2021, 09:48:07 PM
What a great car to learn to restore on :)

AAR Cuda's are one of my all time favorite hot rods.

You're in good hands with this forum, some real experts here who aren't afraid to share their craft.
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: MoparsNBurnouts on March 22, 2021, 11:49:13 AM
Welcome, bro! Sick AAR!
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: jimynick on March 22, 2021, 06:50:57 PM
Welcome to the site from Ontario,  :canada:. In addition to "arranging" for you to have your hands on what you by now know is an expensive and valuable car, maybe it's time the old man also shows you how to remove those rusty bolts? You're about to embark on a life changing endeavour and maybe the old boy would enjoy helping you do it. You'll learn many things- both automotive and personal if he does. Good luck!  :wave:
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: 70 Top Banana on March 26, 2021, 06:49:01 PM
Welcome from metro Detroit and a great car to start with! Even better it was your dads car and in the family so long. I agree with Anlauto. Take a little time and think about what you want the car to be. For me the first thing would be to get it running and evaluate how well it runs. That will mean cleaning up the fuel system, cooling  and brakes. Then you can decide where you want to take the car. Silver is cool and it would look good or drive it like it is. If it were me and I chose to paint the car, I would paint it the factory color EK2 Vitamin C orange and it looks great on that car.
Keep us posted and take a lot of pics!
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: 340challconvert on March 27, 2021, 08:55:11 AM
Still working on restoring my A66 Challenger vert myself. Suggestion; take pictures of an area before you disassemble. Get dollar store storage bags and bag and label everything
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Montclaire on March 27, 2021, 09:18:19 AM
I have a feeling that your definition of rusty is different than most of the people on this forum.  I'm going to give you some sound advice, gained from fooling around with these cars since 1996; if the car can be made safe to drive the way it sits, then do that.  You have a very valuable car and you will most likely hurt it's value trying to "make it look good." 

You don't have enough knowledge to restore this car in your garage, and that is not a knock on you.  Many parts on these cars are NOT reproduced or are different from what the car came with originally.  Document, photograph and save EVERYTHING that comes off the car - nearly everything has a date code. The engine block, heads, steering box and other pieces are unique to AARs and T/As.  You won't find replacements at Autozone and you need to have only very trusted, competent people around this car.

Again, if you can change a few wear items and get the car safe enough to pass state inspection and go for an ice cream, that is about as far as I would take it until you can get extremely familiar with what makes that particular car special and how to protect its value.  You should only be driving it on dry, sunny days anyway - it's not going to get any worse.

Good luck with the car, you are one lucky SOB. Lol
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Montclaire on March 27, 2021, 09:25:42 AM
Oh, and take the hood off if you are trying to get the engine to fire up after sitting for so many years.  It's fiberglass and WILL burn. I'm sure someone here can recommend a good company to restore the original carbs.
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: headejm on March 27, 2021, 09:36:36 AM
Quote from: Montclaire on March 27, 2021, 09:25:42 AM
Oh, and take the hood off if you are trying to get the engine to fire up after sitting for so many years.  It's fiberglass and WILL burn. I'm sure someone here can recommend a good company to restore the original carbs.

Let me go first...member Scott Smith for the carbs! @ScottSmith_Harms (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/scottsmithharms_164)
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: tparker on March 27, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
I'll add my two cents. I missed this post the first time around. As others have said, what an amazing car. This is one of my dream cars. As others have also said, you have to figure out what you want to do and have a plan. DO you want to "Restore" the car and what does that mean for you. going off the deep end could cost @20k or more if you go crazy. Depending on the state of the car and how much work you do, $5-$10K may be all it needs.

This book is for a Charger, but is a good resource for tips and having a sense of what to do. Obvious the details will be different but it is a great book on the restoration process
https://www.amazon.com/Project-Charger-Step-Step-Restoration/dp/193199322X

I would start with a good assessment.
1 what is missing? physically missing or swapped out (your 6 pack for example)
2 What obviously needs to be replaced? Body panels, exhaust, seats covers, engine parts, tires, etc
3 what is the state of the paint? Does it appear to need paint?
4 What is the state of the body? This can drastically change your resto plans. And it isn't always obvious that there is rust. Check around the front windshield and rear. Check the trunk. Check near the tires and doors. Check around the battery tray.
5 What is the shape of the trim. Is it rusty and bubbly and/or pitted?
6 Windows?

If it was me, I would try to leave the car as is the best I could. I would only replace what needs to be replaced. Others might want to do a complete restore that would include stripping the car down to bare metal and going from there. That is expensive and IMO ruins the originality of the car because it is no longer original. But sometimes they need that depending on the body and paint. If the paint and body are in good shape you will have a much easier job. Also really look at the rust. Is it surface or is it eating through? Are the rusted items pitted or can it be easily sanded off? All these play a major role in how much work it's going to be.

One last resource is this dude I just found on youtube. He goes around buying old cars and has a few days to get them running. He is funny (dry humor). What is cool is you can get a sense of what you might beable to do without major work. It would be great if you could get the car fired up and maybe even driving with little effort. Checkout some of his videos. They are a little long but you will probably learn a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jaymz03ss

Also, Youtube is your friend. I am close to finishing my restoration. Sounds like my motor might be ready to pick up this week. I abused youtube for most of my restorations. Obviously this site was a tremendous help. These guys are great and love to help.

Good luck and keep us up to date
Title: Re: New to the car resto world. Going to be starting '70 cuda aar
Post by: Challenger440RT on April 15, 2021, 08:07:57 AM
Sweet car, AARs are really neat IMO.