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Title: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on October 16, 2017, 12:16:06 PM
I just bought a 1970 Red Cuda that is very original. I'm trying to keep the original look but I want to make some changes. I have a couple of questions:

I want to relieve some of the amp's running through the bulkhead so I'm considering adding a fusible linked wire from the Alternator to the Starter Relay.
When I do that, should I disconnect the lead going to the bulkhead? It seems to me that would be the thing to do so that I don't have dual paths.

I want to get better performance from my headlights. I can see adding relays will solve that problem but I'm trying not to add things to my engine compartment. I see LED headlights that only pull 2 Amps each. Is that a better path to take?  If so, would I need any other wiring changes for the headlights? Which headlights would I use? I see products for these on Classic Industries and Year One.

I also would like to change some lamps like the one's over the gauges. I see direct replacement LED's that I could use. Any reason that would not be a good path to go with?

Ok that's enough for now. Thanks


Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Roadman on October 16, 2017, 12:20:29 PM
     You can put the headlight relays under the battery box, out of sight. 

     Yes, when you do the alt bypass disconnect the wire from the bulk head.   :rebelflag"
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: shawge on October 23, 2017, 09:43:43 AM
I'm not sold on the LED headlight bulbs just yet. A friend of mine has some on his Chevelle, same Cibie H1/ Hella H4 housings as I use.  The LED light doesn't seem to illuminate as far as the halogens do.  :alan2cents:

Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on October 23, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
Thanks, that is what I needed to hear. I think the Halogens look like the way to go. I have been trying to contact the guy who makes the relay kits. I'm not sure why he has not responded.
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Racer57 on October 23, 2017, 10:47:43 AM
Quote from: CudaHead on October 16, 2017, 12:16:06 PM
I see direct replacement LED's that I could use. Any reason that would not be a good path to go with?
I used these.. https://www.google.com/search?q=Ba9s+W6W+5050+5SMD+LED&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=     
I bought blues and greens. For me personally, with a blue housing lens and using a green LED, the color I felt looks just right. I actually have to turn down the dash light dimmer now.  :worship: They just barely fit into the holes in the light panel so you might have to use some emery or something to round out the hole just a very little. Also, use some dielectric grease on them. It don't take much to twist the LED loose from the base.  Buy extras, just in case.
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on October 23, 2017, 10:52:28 AM
I had seen ad's for the BA9's. Those were the one's I was going to try. Thanks for the info, I will try the greens ones like you suggested.
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Roadman on October 23, 2017, 12:28:29 PM
Quote from: CudaHead on October 23, 2017, 10:28:47 AM
Thanks, that is what I needed to hear. I think the Halogens look like the way to go. I have been trying to contact the guy who makes the relay kits. I'm not sure why he has not responded.
@CudaHead (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/topdown_667)   you really don't need a relay kit, pretty easy to wire up. Just need a couple good relays, wire and terminals. If you want a kit I can build you one for about $30.00. Just need to know where you want to mount the relays. 
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on October 23, 2017, 01:19:13 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm retired now, but I spent my working life in Computers. I am sure I could do it myself but I thought they might of made a nice layout.  I'm thinking of making a board that would have room for lot's of relays for another project that I just bought. This Red one is too original to mess with, but the new one is not. I'm hoping I can add all the relays, fuses and connections to the one location that I will put under the battery. I had hidden things there before like on my last project, that is where I put my MSD box. Thanks again.
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Roadman on October 23, 2017, 01:48:27 PM
   Gotcha.   I built this several years ago for a friends Pro Street car. 
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on October 23, 2017, 01:57:59 PM
That's what I'm talking about......nice.
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 23, 2017, 03:27:07 PM
I am using LED headlights , they are awesome , but you will need a Cibie/ Lucas or Bosch  reflector to hold a H4 bulb but this is the best route
I still suggest using relays even with the low amperage headlights
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 23, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
This is a complete kit http://www.ebay.ca/itm/H6024-6014-Crystal-Glass-Metal-Headlight-CREE-SMD-360-LED-Light-Bulb-Headlamp-/332414065064?hash=item4d656c19a8:g:4MQAAOSwZJBYAbT-&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on October 23, 2017, 03:48:10 PM
That also looks good. Not so sure they look stock. Were they ok to use without the Relay? On this car, I'm trying not to stray from stock on anything. Restored cars are a pain in xxx. I prefer cars I can mess with.

My inbound project:
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Roadman on October 23, 2017, 04:31:55 PM
Quote from: CudaHead on October 23, 2017, 03:48:10 PM
That also looks good. Not so sure they look stock. Were they ok to use without the Relay? On this car, I'm trying not to stray from stock on anything. Restored cars are a pain in xxx. I prefer cars I can mess with.

My inbound project:

              OMG, my favorite colors.   :veryexcited: :veryexcited:
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 23, 2017, 07:46:04 PM
I would always use relays although I am sure they will work OK without as the LED is much lower amps , you can always hide the relays under the front fender behind the headlight
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on October 28, 2017, 11:56:10 AM
I installed the BA9 Green LED's fro the dash lights. Really nice, I love those.
As for relays, this looks interesting for my project car:
https://www.ronfrancis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BX%2D10 (https://www.ronfrancis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BX%2D10)
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 28, 2017, 12:38:03 PM
I bet @Roadman (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/roadman_17) could build you something clean for the headlight relays that would hide behind the headlight
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Roadman on October 28, 2017, 01:00:22 PM
  Thats a nice looking Ron Frances setup, but WOW $300.00.  My panels wouldn't be that fancy  :rofl: . Also I'm not into that blue tooth, remote stuff. Just basic custom built relay panels, very affordable.   :rebelflag"
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: filmsurgeon on January 19, 2018, 11:39:42 PM
 I used these.. https://www.google.com/search?q=Ba9s+W6W+5050+5SMD+LED&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=     
I bought blues and greens. For me personally, with a blue housing lens and using a green LED, the color I felt looks just right. I actually have to turn down the dash light dimmer now.  :worship: They just barely fit into the holes in the light panel so you might have to use some emery or something to round out the hole just a very little. Also, use some dielectric grease on them. It don't take much to twist the LED loose from the base.  Buy extras, just in case.
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Can you let me know what dimmable LED bulbs you used?  Your link in your post only gives the results of a google search.  How well did the bulbs you bought/used fit into the socket? Are they loose, or tight.
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on January 20, 2018, 06:20:08 AM
I used the BA9S-GHP5 in Green.
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/ba9s-ba7s/ba9s-led-bulb-5-smd-led-tower-ba9s-retrofit-car/2077/4724/ (https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/ba9s-ba7s/ba9s-led-bulb-5-smd-led-tower-ba9s-retrofit-car/2077/4724/)
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: filmsurgeon on January 20, 2018, 02:38:11 PM
Quote from: CudaHead on January 20, 2018, 06:20:08 AM
I used the BA9S-GHP5 in Green.
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/ba9s-ba7s/ba9s-led-bulb-5-smd-led-tower-ba9s-retrofit-car/2077/4724/ (https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/ba9s-ba7s/ba9s-led-bulb-5-smd-led-tower-ba9s-retrofit-car/2077/4724/)

Thanks.  It appears as though those are not dimmable.  Correct?
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Jay Bee on January 20, 2018, 02:59:35 PM
I bought the dash "kit" from Herb's Parts. They all fit AOK and dimmable.
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on January 20, 2018, 04:05:38 PM
The web site does not say they do.
I just tried it on my Cuda and they do dim.
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: CudaHead on January 21, 2018, 05:21:21 AM
I just got an email from Super Bright LEDs (superbrightleds.com) for 10% off. Use code ALZJJ8.
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Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Toby Sutton on January 27, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
Hey. I saw on this site https://headlightsize.com/ (https://headlightsize.com/) other sizes of light bulbs. I think whether to put these?)
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: JS29 on January 27, 2019, 12:49:35 PM
 :welcome: @Toby Sutton (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/toby-sutton_3749) From central New York! You might want to go to new member introduction and tell us about your self and if you have an E-body we like to hear about it.  :wave:
Title: Re: 1970 Cuda Headlights and Wiring changes.
Post by: Chryco Psycho on January 27, 2019, 04:37:51 PM
Welcome tot he site from Panama Toby  :wave: