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Title: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 72and86 on October 22, 2017, 07:33:19 AM
Hi guys. I have a 73 'Cuda and just recently removed the 2 bigger ugly bumper guards from the rear.
What parts do I need to make my 73 rear bumper guards look like the earlier years like the 71-72?
Thank you in advance. Steve
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 22, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
I would use the 72 bumper mounts & move the bumper in flush , I think you need a different bumper to use the small bumper guards used in 70 -71
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on October 22, 2017, 03:27:45 PM
I just finished this modification.

You will need 70-72 rear bumper brackets.

70-72 rear bumper

70-72 rear bumper guard brackets

70-72 rear bumper guards

70-72 plastic bumper guard filler

I'll help you with this in any way as it's pretty simple and it's my favorite modification yet.

I could be wrong on saying 1972 but I think 70-72 have the same everything.

Neil
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on October 22, 2017, 03:31:02 PM
Are you doing the front too?  If so let me know.

You can modify the rear bumper brackets but it's going to be a total pain in your butt.  But then you won't have to buy a new bumper or rear bumper brackets but you'll still have to buy the 70-72 bumper guards/hardware.
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 72and86 on October 22, 2017, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: nsmall on October 22, 2017, 03:31:02 PM
Are you doing the front too?  If so let me know.

You can modify the rear bumper brackets but it's going to be a total pain in your butt.  But then you won't have to buy a new bumper or rear bumper brackets but you'll still have to buy the 70-72 bumper guards/hardware.

The front is void of the bumper guards when I got it.
Im a little confused about the rear. It has a aftermarket bumper on it thats very close to the tail end so Im wondering if it's NOT a 73-74 bumper. How far away was the rear bumper in 73? But it did have the large bumper guards on it which I removed.
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 22, 2017, 11:37:14 PM
The bumper was flush 70-72 , in 73 they used a plastic filler piece between the bumper & body that was a little wider than 1"
maybe someone already moved the bumper in but retained the larger bumper guards  :notsure:
I have posted pix of both  the 72 has chrome bumperettes
the 74 you can see the extra filler strip 
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 22, 2017, 11:41:07 PM
Sorry I thought you said Chall , the Cuda has a similar filler panel as in this picture
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on October 23, 2017, 10:57:09 PM
Can you post some pics?  Thanks
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 23, 2017, 11:18:03 PM
pix above right ?
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on October 23, 2017, 11:38:11 PM
Yes Chryco Psycho, those look like 74 guards.  As for the current question being posed by @72and86 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/72and86_572) I'm curious what the current rear bumper looks like on his/her 73 Cuda.

Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 24, 2017, 12:44:32 AM
the 73 Guard was different & bit smaller & in 74 they added a second bumper behind the chrome one as well as the requirement changed in 73-74 , the 73 is easier to modify than the 74 as they had a massive beam behind the rear bumper instead of the earlier mounts
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 24, 2017, 12:54:36 AM
try this
The black one above is also a 74 Cuda , there were so few of these built & very few still stock it is difficult to find a decent picture of the 74 , I think they used the same bumper bracket but with a molded rubber block approx 3x as big in 74  !
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 72and86 on October 24, 2017, 08:32:51 AM
Here is my 1973. Im the OP.
You can't see it too well, but theres a strip that goes across the bottom (above the bumper). I painted it black. This must be what you guys are referring to?

So If I understand correctly, to get the 1970-72 rear bumper guard look, I must remove the strip on my 73 and replace with a pre 1973 rear bumper before the 70-72 b-guards will fit correctly?  :notsure:
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 24, 2017, 08:36:03 AM
The bumper may be usable but you need to move the bumper in with different mounts or modify yours & use the 70 72 bumoerettes
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 24, 2017, 08:40:45 AM
these are the needed parts
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Spikedog08 on October 24, 2017, 01:55:00 PM
Yep that is what I did on my 73. . . Love it!  Although most think it is a 72 when they see it . .  :dunno:
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on October 24, 2017, 06:17:00 PM
There's one problem....the rear bumper has to be a 70-72 to fit on on 70-72 bracket. A 73 rear bumper will Not fit a 70-72 rear bumper bracket 

@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173) is the man on 72-74's, but he's been quiet lately.  Darren, you copy?
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on October 24, 2017, 06:21:55 PM
@72and86 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/72and86_572) you have a 73 bumper and bumper brackets.  Do the 70-72 swap.  It's the best mod on a 73 IMO.
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 72and86 on October 24, 2017, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: nsmall on October 24, 2017, 06:17:00 PM
There's one problem....the rear bumper has to be a 70-72 to fit on on 70-72 bracket. A 73 rear bumper will Not fit a 70-72 rear bumper bracket 

@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173) is the man on 72-74's, but he's been quiet lately.  Darren, you copy?

Do I remove those bumper "strips"? If so, how do they come off?
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 24, 2017, 10:59:18 PM
you mean the fillers pieces between the bumper & body , once the bumper is removed there are screws holding them in place
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on October 24, 2017, 11:52:37 PM
 :iagree:

I have found it easiest to remove the rear Valance then remove the bumper and then remove the rubber filler.  Obviously you will not need the filler piece once the bumper conversion is complete.
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 72and86 on October 25, 2017, 08:20:36 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on October 24, 2017, 10:59:18 PM
you mean the fillers pieces between the bumper & body , once the bumper is removed there are screws holding them in place

Thanks.
(this is becoming more of a chore than I thought. Oh well I have the two bumper guards off, so I guess Im committed.)
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 72and86 on October 25, 2017, 08:21:35 AM
Quote from: nsmall on October 24, 2017, 11:52:37 PM
:iagree:

I have found it easiest to remove the rear Valance then remove the bumper and then remove the rubber filler.  Obviously you will not need the filler piece once the bumper conversion is complete.

Thanks!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Spikedog08 on October 25, 2017, 08:44:57 AM
Once you collect all the needed parts, it really is an easy process.  Like indicated, remove the valance first . . . here is my 73 once completed! 
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 72and86 on October 25, 2017, 12:35:41 PM
What tires/rims are on the badboy?
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Spikedog08 on October 25, 2017, 12:42:06 PM
Cragers 15 inch
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on October 25, 2017, 03:04:58 PM
@Spikedog08 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/4cruzin_11)

How about your tire sizes?  Did you lower the rear or front as I love the stance of your car?

@72and86 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/72and86_572)   it's really not that hard to do the bumper conversion it's just unfortunately expensive like almost everything on an e body.   Just my :alan2cents:

Not sure if you priced out Parts but I ended up spending triple what I had planned but I'm extremely happy with what I have going on right now.  Good luck
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 392 Cuda on September 14, 2018, 12:04:06 PM
Did you need to replace the bumper with a 70-72 bumper?

I have guards for my 74, but the previous owner cut off the brackets. I'm tempted to just do the swap (will eventually anyway), but if I need another bumper, I may continue looking for 73-74 bumper guard brackets until I'm ready for paint.
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on September 14, 2018, 03:43:45 PM
1) @compugod (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/compugod_2150) I can help you, are you referring to the front or rear bumpers?  I can assist you once you post what year of bumper you have and what year of brackets you have.

2)  Do you want to go with no bumper guards? 

3) Are you just trying to tuck in your stock 74 bumpers?

Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 392 Cuda on September 14, 2018, 03:59:12 PM
That was fast! Thank you @nsmall (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/nsmall_145) !

I have a 74 Cuda, 74 bumper guards, and 70-72 bumper guard brackets.

I would like to get the 74 guards on there temporarily, and eventually buy 70-72 guards when I replace the rear valence.

I appreciate any help you can provide.
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: nsmall on September 14, 2018, 04:30:13 PM
@compugod (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/compugod_2150)

You will have to buy (not being reproduced) 74 bumper guard  brackets.  Hopefully you can find a decent deal on the brackets as they are a part people don't need when doing the 70-72 conversion.  70-72 bumper brackets will not work on 74 bumper guards.

You can use your 74 front bumper and get rid of the guards by dropping a bumper bolt in the top part of the bumper that currently is used for the front bumper guard.  You have to slot your 74 bumper brackets to tuck in your front bumper.

as for the rear bumper you're going to have to get a 70-72 rear bumper and 70-72 bumper bracket  set unless you want to do a ton of customizing to your rear brackets which is going to be a total nightmare.  I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the 70-72 rear bumper guards won't fit on a 74 bumper. 

So if you like your front bumper the front will be okay but for the rear I think you're going to have to do a full conversion.

@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173) is smart, maybe he can chime in.
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: Cudajason on September 15, 2018, 05:47:49 AM
I have done this on my 74 as well.

The front is easy...you can slot / re drill the brackets to slid the bumper in.  No parts required.  You will also need to remove the filler strip from the grill.  you may need to grind a little on the front panel fro clearance.

The rear is different...you will need the rear bumper brackets.  BUT on a 74 bumper, you the earlier brackets will not bolt up.  The bolt hole spacing is different.  You will need to drill new bolt holes and fill the extra holes.

The 74 bumper guards will fit the contour of the bumper, but will be too close to he valance using the earlier brackets.

Your best bet is to grab an earlier bumper and brackets. 

If you want to use your 74, I have a bumper brackets and I think bumper gaurs brackets form my 74...I can have a look if you want.

Jason
Title: Re: Adding 71-72 Bumper Guards to 1973 'Cuda
Post by: 392 Cuda on September 15, 2018, 07:42:49 PM
Thanks again, @nsmall (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/nsmall_145) and @Cudajason (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudajason_260) !

I did check late last night and was able to find a 74 bumper guard bracket on eBay. I went ahead and purchased one for short-term.

This one is my daily driver downtown Chicago, so I don't mind the extra rubber right now.

I appreciate all the help and will probably pick up some early bumpers after paint.