I'm having my original 440 engine built by Chris Morris (Morris Mopars) and he began tearing into the block and look what he found!
This might have been the reason the original engine was pulled sometime back
Hopefully the rest of the block is still functional
Brad
:o
I've seen that before. some-one trying to drill out frost plugs and went through the cylinder wall.
Quote from: RJChallenger on December 28, 2018, 07:19:46 PM
I've seen that before. some-one trying to drill out frost plugs and went through the cylinder wall.
:unbelievable: thats some serious over drilling! Through the freeze plug, through the cylinder wall and then trough the piston! Some people shouldn't own power tools!
i never heard or seen that before :bricks:
That's crazy! :unbelievable:
Then from there our trusty technician attacked the underdash wiring!
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on December 31, 2018, 09:02:55 AM
Then from there our trusty technician attacked the underdash wiring!
:rofl: :rofl: So true...
He was drillin for oil!
yehaw!
believe it or not but that was an old school way to lighten a piston. Some hacks also thought it would reduce friction.
:Thud:
Yeah, that's what it looked like to me, too. If he'd drilled through the cylinder, it sure wouldn't be a running engine anymore! Either way, it's certainly bush league and you're well rid of it. :cheers:
I would say drilling to lighten the piston or possibly some crude way of balancing.
JS27
:wrenching: Looks like termites got to it!!!! :rubeyes:
Well the verdict is in from the machine shop...not enough metal left to put a sleeve on!
Any suggestions on next steps as the original 440 can't be built:
-replacement core 1970 440 HP block
-misc 1970 440 HP block
Pretty much sucks as I was really looking forward to having the original engine back in the car
Regards
Brad
Try another machine shop, never heard that before
Quote from: Ebbs on January 08, 2019, 05:08:59 PM
Well the verdict is in from the machine shop...not enough metal left to put a sleeve on!
Any suggestions on next steps as the original 440 can't be built:
-replacement core 1970 440 HP block
-misc 1970 440 HP block
Pretty much sucks as I was really looking forward to having the original engine back in the car
Regards
Brad
IMO, once it's not the original block, put any block in there. Period correct is still not original. :alan2cents:
"not enough metal left to put a sleeve on"? WTF? Did you totally grenade this thing, tearing chunks out of the cylinder wall? You'd have to tear out the bottom of the cylinder before you couldn't sleeve it. The operation involves machining the hole to receive the sleeve and leaving a step or ridge of metal at the bottom to prevent the sleeve ever slipping down. I've seen one guy put in 6 in one block after a catastrophic engine failure and the thing ran like a champ, so I'll be damned if I can see why buddy can't stick one in your block! A lot of machinists don't like to sleeve engines and will weasel their way out of doing it by telling you that, oh say, there isn't enough metal left to put one on let's say. Without telling buddy, get another opinion from another reputable machinist before you trash your block, because it should be an easy fix. Just my :alan2cents:
Agree, sleeve should be possible. if it was a non matching engine it maybe more economic to find a better core but given its the original engine its well worth repairing.
Does the machinist understand the relevance of matching numbers? Maybe he is advising on economics and is not aware of the value the original block holds?
I don't know anything about it. But curious.... if block is already bored to max allowable, can it still be sleeved ?
Quote from: Ebbs on January 08, 2019, 05:08:59 PM
Well the verdict is in from the machine shop...not enough metal left to put a sleeve on!
Any suggestions on next steps as the original 440 can't be built:
-replacement core 1970 440 HP block
-misc 1970 440 HP block
Pretty much sucks as I was really looking forward to having the original engine back in the car
Regards
Brad
As an Industrial mechanic or Millwright I spent over ten years in a machine shop for the steel industry. You should see some of the shit we had to fix. I've seen race engines throw a rod out the side of the block , be heated pressed back into shape and welded up .Re-machined and live to race again .That time a friend drilled out his frost plug, he did the same thing. He was lucky and the piston was at bdc and the rings didn't travel past the hole. we tap the hole and loctited a pipe plug. If the only damage is to the one cylinder , Then find another machine shop That damage shouldn't be enough to scrap the block
Agreed, get a second opinion on the block.
I appreciate the feedback..I will be reaching out to my engine builder to get a second opinion on the viability of the original block
Regards
Brad
Brad, you're slightly missing our point. DON'T "reach out" to the same guy. You're in effect asking him to contradict himself and damn few folks are up for that. Load the block- take a buddy and throw it in the trunk- and take it to a different shop; one that doesn't either know the original guy or the story to date. Become an informed consumer and re-read some of the comments the lads have made regarding this situation and at the end of the day, save your block and wallet from further abuse. We know you can do it! Good luck :cheers:
Whatever you do don't get rid of the block. I know of a HemiCuda with it's original block sawed up from a con rod. The block is with the car even if it isn't savable at this point. You never know what new techniques might come up in the future.