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Title: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: hato on October 08, 2017, 02:36:44 PM
So I recently found out my father poured sugar in the gas tank and down the oil fill in my challenger besides a full top half tear down anything else should I clean / take apart as I seen they obvousily wanted me to hurt the car.
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Spikedog08 on October 08, 2017, 02:43:37 PM
Hmmm that was nice of him . . Never understood why anyone would hurt someone's car?  Sorry this happened to you . . .

:thumbdown:
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Roadman on October 08, 2017, 02:48:12 PM
    Wow, that sucks. I'm assuming you didn't start, I hope.  :bricks:
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: hato on October 08, 2017, 03:00:00 PM
Haven't started yet seen sugar around the k member and  inner fender then started detective work. Sucks cause am cross country moving so just gonna move to my friends shop an work on it slowly
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Cudakiller70 on October 08, 2017, 03:18:41 PM
What a sweet guy. Best to flush all fluids. Any in your master cylinder? Power steering, battery, trans if auto?
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Topcat on October 08, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
Man that really sucks!

Vandalism is a punishable law. Yet he's your Dad.  :dunno:

Pull the tank out might be a good idea and solvent clean out then air out with compressed air.

Hope things get better for you.
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Brads70 on October 08, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
 :o  Wow sorry to hear this ! I don't know what to say.......
I'd just pull off the valve cover to see how far it got. Drain the gas tank and flush it out obviously.
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: cuda hunter on October 08, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: Brads70 on October 08, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
I'd just pull off the valve cover to see how far it got. Drain the gas tank and flush it out obviously.

:iagree:

punch him in the mouth. 
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Roadman on October 08, 2017, 05:50:34 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on October 08, 2017, 05:42:47 PM
Quote from: Brads70 on October 08, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
I'd just pull off the valve cover to see how far it got. Drain the gas tank and flush it out obviously.

:iagree:

punch him in the mouth.

                    :iagree:   more than once.    :rebelflag"
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Katfish on October 08, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
Had to look this up, surprising

For some reason, there's a common rumor about sugar and gas that's been around for decades. Supposedly, if you pour sugar into someone's gas tank, you will disable the car. The sugar is supposed to react with the gasoline and turn into a semi-solid, gooey substance that totally clogs up the gas tank, the fuel lines, and so on.­

It sounds great, especially if you have a grudge against someone. The problem with this rumor is that it simply isn't true. As it turns out, sugar doesn't dissolve in gasoline. Pouring sand into the gas tank would have about the same effect as pouring in sugar. The sand or sugar might clog up the filter, and that could disable the car, but it's not a sure thing.
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 08, 2017, 07:36:05 PM
 :angry:
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: redgum78 on October 09, 2017, 12:36:12 AM
Quote from: Brads70 on October 08, 2017, 04:33:51 PM
:o  Wow sorry to hear this ! I don't know what to say.......
I'd just pull off the valve cover to see how far it got. Drain the gas tank and flush it out obviously.

I agree. I have never seen the result first hand but I am told it is really only an issue once it reaches your carb or efi system. Might be a bit abrasive in an engine?

Has anyone else ever had to deal with this first hand?
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: dodj on October 09, 2017, 04:28:02 AM
Quote from: Katfish on October 08, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
Had to look this up, surprising

For some reason, there's a common rumor about sugar and gas that's been around for decades. Supposedly, if you pour sugar into someone's gas tank, you will disable the car. The sugar is supposed to react with the gasoline and turn into a semi-solid, gooey substance that totally clogs up the gas tank, the fuel lines, and so on.­

It sounds great, especially if you have a grudge against someone. The problem with this rumor is that it simply isn't true. As it turns out, sugar doesn't dissolve in gasoline. Pouring sand into the gas tank would have about the same effect as pouring in sugar. The sand or sugar might clog up the filter, and that could disable the car, but it's not a sure thing.
:iagree:
But sand poured on your valve train is still pretty bad.
IMO. You should pull the head or maybe just the valve cover and vacuum. Depends what it looks like? Drop the tank cuz you have no idea how much is in there.
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: 61K T/A on October 09, 2017, 05:47:10 AM
Do un to others as others have done un to you.
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on October 09, 2017, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: 61K T/A on October 09, 2017, 05:47:10 AM
Do un to others as others have done un to you.

I don't think your quote is correct....  But if that is the plan forget sugar, use diesel.... Diesel plugs automotive fuel injectors cause it won't pass through the pintle... Eight new injectors + diagnostics & labor to install = payback....
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: hato on October 09, 2017, 10:34:56 AM
I only found 1 video online of someone testing it in a lawnmower and the sugar carmalized on the heads /valves eventually it will build up layers an it won't close properly. Dropping the tank today and gonna see how far down the sugar got. It's a pos deal but can only go up from here  :banana:
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: YellowThumper on October 09, 2017, 10:49:37 AM
I would check all the orifices. Inspect down carb, dipstick, trans dipstick. Even look into pcv hole. Best to pull valve covers. Check radiator and overflow tank. Even the washer bottle just to cover every base imaginable.

Sorry to hear and hope you can ensure it is a one time event.
I had a schizophrenic father and endured many "strange" happenings over the years.

Mike
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: RzeroB on October 09, 2017, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: hato on October 08, 2017, 02:36:44 PM
So I recently found out my father poured sugar in the gas tank and down the oil fill in my challenger...

Your father did this??  :-[  Sorry man, I'm just speechless ...
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: hato on October 09, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
He did a lot more then just this he took all of the other cars in our collection along with the titles so I li took a giant hit I lost my Saleen and a few nice 90s/2000 era cars  finding out this was like his way of saying f u all the way around as I was considering selling it to rebuild me and my wife's losses so far were halfway into tearing down the top half
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 09, 2017, 11:39:58 PM
I understand why you would be moving away , my condolences  :Thud:
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: 70/6chall on October 10, 2017, 12:30:21 PM
Gosh "Hato", I'm very sorry to here of your losses. YOUR FATHER that's even more incredible. Sometimes I just can't get my head around people's actions, no matter what the reasoning. Sugar in the tank?! Since my engine is the good old slant-6, I can recall an old 90's Dura-Lube or Slik50 TV infomercial, where they had one running, they treated it with thier product, then drained the oil and coolant out of it and poured sand and water down into the engine. With the valve cover removed they kept pouring this mixture into the running engine, kept running for almost an hour before it gave up.
Anything to make a buck.      Thanks,   Al
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: jimynick on October 10, 2017, 09:05:33 PM
Over the years I had lots of sugar claims and the truth is, as mentioned, that sugar will not dissolve in gas. If you haven't started the car since it happened, you might get lucky here. Drop the tank and wash it out with as hot a water as you can get and then blow or bake it dry. Get gas back into it asap to prevent rust formation. I'd pull the valve cover(s) and see what it looks like. If the sugar is all in one spot and doesn't appear to have gotten further into the engine I'd vacumn it up, look it over carefully and if all seems well, I'd button it up, start it and run it up to temp and then drop the oil and filter for new, install a new in-line gas filter and then me and "dad" would have a long talk. Know what I mean, Vern?  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: sireland67 on September 29, 2018, 09:42:48 PM
Quote from: 70/6chall on October 10, 2017, 12:30:21 PM
Gosh "Hato", I'm very sorry to here of your losses. YOUR FATHER that's even more incredible. Sometimes I just can't get my head around people's actions, no matter what the reasoning. Sugar in the tank?! Since my engine is the good old slant-6, I can recall an old 90's Dura-Lube or Slik50 TV infomercial, where they had one running, they treated it with thier product, then drained the oil and coolant out of it and poured sand and water down into the engine. With the valve cover removed they kept pouring this mixture into the running engine, kept running for almost an hour before it gave up.
Anything to make a buck.      Thanks,   Al

I was at Carlisle this year and a company was showing off their anti-wear product, the had an old straight six chevy that had no oil pan or valve pan covers on it.
They would start it up and let run for a while, lifters ticking pretty good, but not a drop of oil in the engine.
After thinking about it for a minute, I not even sure it had a radiator hooked to the engine.
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: nsmall on September 30, 2018, 12:01:14 AM
@hato (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/hato_155) Not to bring up a sore subject, but did you ever resolve the "sugar" issue and get the car running?
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: hato on October 04, 2018, 11:58:01 PM
@nsmall (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/nsmall_145) i cleaned everything out lucky my friend does flood clean up and had a extractor so we sucked up everything flushed it and got it back together in about 3 days.
am really more upset about losing the other cars & T/A so just have the r/t se in storage while i rebuild the assets i lost but hoping to find a project t/a or aar before spring  :fingerscrossed:
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: docmel on December 21, 2020, 10:44:03 AM
Late post..........   Anyhow, I saw in 2 vehciles, both mine.  One in a 1968  427  tri power  The other a 1995 Monte Carlo

The Monte Carlo required changes in almost any part of the fuel delivery system

I personally saw the damage in my 427.  I tore it apart, and that gooey crap was everywhere. Carb, fuel lines. in every rocker arm and oil passage and everywhere in the oil pan.   Oil passages became clogged    It left a gold colored thick laquer everywhere.    But it didnt disable the car, as I didnt drive it but maybe 20-30 miles.  But the work I did to clean it up basically ended up in a engine rebuild new gas tank and lines

There is much quicker and very cheap way to actually disable a car thru the gas tank, but no way will I mention it.................       
Title: Re: Sugar in tank & valve train
Post by: jimynick on December 21, 2020, 08:07:36 PM
If your car engine had a gooey material in it, it wasn't plain sugar, it was most likely honey or corn syrup/molasses. Prove it to yourself; take a small jar, throw a few spoonfuls of white sugar in it and then pour in a few ounces of gas. Give 'er a shake and see what happens. Sugar likes heat and can be made to melt, but by the time that's happened, you're done anyways. I'd love to hear the story where dear old dad gets to keep your valuable cars AND pour sugar in the one you did keep.  :looney: