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Title: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: 704406 on January 13, 2022, 12:14:46 PM
Does anyone on this site own or know who owns a 70 Hemi Cuda BS23R0B219183? It was sold new near Winnipeg Manitoba. I owned and restored this Cuda in the late 80's early 90's when it had 6500 miles on it, and I have some pictures and I know the history of it from 1970 until I sold it in 1991 here in Victoria BC Canada. It was sold at Barrett Jackson around 2001 I think, it ended up in Minnesota around 2004 and I talked to the owner at that time, he had no idea of the Cuda's history. I see it sold at Barrett Jackson again in January 2018.
I'm not trying to buy it, or hassle anybody just wondering if the current owner wants to know it's early history, it apparently was drag raced in North Dakota in 1971 and possibly 1972 in full Sox and Martin paint colors.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: Smallblock340 on January 14, 2022, 02:38:43 AM
No idea who owns BS23R0B219183, but it is a beautiful Hemi Cuda!  :twothumbsup:
Before the car was sold at Barrett Jackson in 2018 (odometer 7,325), it was sold at National Muscle Cars (odometer 7,242).

For more pictures see: https://nationalmusclecars.com/sold/1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on January 14, 2022, 06:40:19 AM
Do you happen to have any pictures of it dressed up in it's race gear? 
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: Cuda_mark on January 14, 2022, 06:45:13 AM
It looks exactly like Ralph Barbagallo's car
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: 704406 on January 14, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
@cuda hunter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-hunter_176) Yes I have pictures of it with the sox and Martin red white and blue paint. I'll try to post them later.
The Cuda came with a vinyl top from factory and was removed by the first owner, I could see the holes in the deck were braised over when I stripped the paint, and found remnants around the rear window trim.
It also had a roll bar installed, fortunately only bolted thru the floor, and easily removable, although the carpet was ruined front and back.
I only found about a 2" piece of the broadcast sheet, the top corner taped to the top of the clove box.
Also had a Dana rear added with a home made 4 link suspension which I removed and installed a correct year 8 3/4 rear end.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: Cuda_mark on January 14, 2022, 10:22:19 AM
https://hot-cars.org/2021/07/29/nicely-restored-1970-plymouth-hemi-cuda-4-speed/
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: 704406 on January 15, 2022, 08:27:49 AM
Here's a picture from 1971 possibly early 1972 which I got from the original owners mother
It may have also be raced in Minnesota as it was based outside of Winnipeg Manitoba.
@cuda hunter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-hunter_176)
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: anlauto on January 15, 2022, 08:43:44 AM
 :bigthumb:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on January 15, 2022, 09:59:09 AM
That looks awesome! 
Pretty cool to have restored a car with that kind of provenance. 

Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: 704406 on January 15, 2022, 10:09:55 AM
Thanks @anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) no idea why the picture didn't come out as I posted it thanks for correcting it.
Now if only I could find the current owner if he's interested in the history of a Canadian Cuda.
It is quite a story. I was the first one to actually legally register the Cuda in 1989, that's a long story all by itself!
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: anlauto on January 15, 2022, 11:03:04 AM
You're welcome, it's a great picture :wowzers:
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on January 15, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
And it's an awesome story so far about the car. 
Love to hear more about the steps of the car. 
First time it got registered was in 89?   
Wow  19 years and not registered.  That's pretty cool in itself. 
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: 704406 on January 15, 2022, 02:07:46 PM
@cuda hunter (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-hunter_176)
I'm not sure that this is the proper place for this story, it's long and involved. Like all great Mopar stories! The original owner died in an accident in the spring of 1973. In 1988 I contacted the other name on the car and our first conversation he was helpful, said he knew where some of the missing parts were, but our second phone call he was mad and told me semi politely to f##k off. I have no idea what happened, but he did say he wanted the Cuda from the estate but he didn't get it so maybe that explains his attitude.
Supposedly Ray Barton had a hand in building the engine when he was first starting out in Montreal Quebec before he moved to the USA. I saw his name on some paperwork that came with the car
I had the Cuda in a magazine Called Muscle Cars (Schneider Performance Series) in May of 1990 as one of the contributors lived in Victoria at the time.
Maybe there is another more suitable place for me to tell the story? Suggestions?
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on January 15, 2022, 03:06:08 PM
This is the "general topics" section. 
Since the story is about the car in question I would think this would indeed be the most appropriate place.
Who knows, the owner might show up.  All they have to do is google their vin and they will see this webpage.
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: cuda hunter on January 15, 2022, 03:08:40 PM
Or not.  I just googled the vin number that I copied from your first post and googled it.
Google did not bring up ebodies.org.  Anyone know why that would be the case? 
But i will say that this car has several results. 
Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: 704406 on January 18, 2022, 10:01:54 AM
Here's the story of my eventually getting the registration for the Hemi Cuda. Remember this is 1988 before the internet was a thing, you older guys will know what I'm talking about!

So after 4 months of negotiating with Murray, the owner of the Cuda I finally purchase it. He say's he has the "papers'. What he has is a 70 service manual and a file folder of the racing parts that were added to the Cuda, no ownership paper work. When I question him further he never had the registration as he got the Cuda from a friend and didn't care about the fact there was no registration. To describe Murray as an odd ball character is a huge understatement!

I go the the main motor vehicle office in Victoria BC  I took the fender tag with me so I could fill out the search request form for ownership. As I am writing the serial number onto the form an over zealous clerk grabs the fender tag and say's he must destroy it as I have illegally removed it. I'm over the counter yelling and threatening him when a coworker and a supervisor intervene. The supervisor recognizes the fender tag as being off a Chrysler product and reruns it to me undamaged. A search turns up no information on the Cuda, it's never been registered in BC. They give me a list of things I need to do to prove ownership and get it registered.

About a month later a fellow comes into my repair shop to get some work done on his truck, see's the Cuda in the corner and say's that it looks like the Cuda his uncle Stan used to own. How many Sox and Martin painted Cuda's are out there!
He calls his Mother and we quickly conclude it must be the same Cuda her brother bought new in Manitoba. She said her Mother was the beneficiary of her brothers estate and she might still have some documents about the Cuda as it arrived in Victoria BC in 1974 and she sold it later that year.

She calls me and say's her Mother still has a copy of Stan's will and legal paperwork from his estate listing the Cuda and the serial number and she will help me any way she can. I can't believe my good luck!

I had to call Manitoba motor vehicle to do a search for the registration for the Cuda, they do the archive search by hand thru the paper files and don't find anything relating to the Cuda. They do find a 69 Austin Healey and a 73 Plymouth in Stan's name.

Stan's sister confirms that the Healey was traded in on the Cuda and the 73 was the car he was fatally injured in.

Stan's Mother has to "sell" me the Cuda for 1 dollar to make it legal so I can get the Cuda in my name and get it registered for the first time!

Title: Re: 70 Hemi Cuda
Post by: RzeroB on January 18, 2022, 12:46:49 PM
That's a fascinating story!! Incredible stroke of good fortune that Stan's nephew chose your shop to walk into!! Personally I love hearing interesting back-stories like this. Thanks for posting!!