Hello -
I recently purchased a 1970 Challenger R/T and I found a build sheet, however it was incorrect for my car. I hope find the owner of the car should it still exist. The VIN is JS23N0B230704
Thanks - Eric
You could send it to Barry Washington. He's good at reuniting documents with their cars.
ok thanks
can you post pics of the sheet? was it in your car from the factory or was it in some random parts you own?
keep a pic of it art least, if it was in your car - it probably can tell when your car was "Actually Built" as your car & the sheet's car would've been close on the assembly line
https://forum.e-bodies.org/vin-fender-tag-build-sheet-and-date-codes/13/actual-production-date-vs-scheduled-production-date/810/
If it's sent the Barry the information is lost to all of us in the hobby. Unless someone can prove to Barry that they own the car.
Information is LOST to all of us.......
Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy if he had a build sheet for one of my cars.
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 07, 2018, 09:23:04 PM
Information is LOST to all of us.......
I know he posts a long list of sheets found and other info. regarding cars by VIN. Are you referring to lost info. regarding the specific build options of that particular car? :dunno:
Well yes. Everything on any build sheet is lost except the vin number so people can find their build sheets. Which I think is awesome and great. I think Barry helps the hobby in some ways and I respect that. I'm not trying to down talk Barry.
But, Anything that gets sent to him is disappeared. Unless you own the car. Or your Barry. Or his close friends whom get to go look at these items.
Again, not trying to knock Barry. I just don't agree with the politics of keeping all information quiet and closed to hobbyists.
I'm absolutely amazed by the amount of information some folks on here have. I ask a question and they have lots of answers. But those answers are incomplete as there are so many bits of information out there that are not available because of private collections under the guise of protection.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on February 07, 2018, 06:45:48 PM
You could send it to Barry Washington. He's good at reuniting documents with their cars.
Really? No way, I will never give him anymore information, he's a black hole. I talk to piles of customers with really cool ebodies and none of them have ever denied me their build sheet or fender tag information knowing it's goes directly to Dan (6bblgt) for the whole hobby to benefit from. Dan is hands down one of the very best and knowledgeable guys in the hobby bar none, BW isn't even in the same class.
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 08, 2018, 06:17:42 AM
Or his close friends whom get to go look at these items.
It has come to my attention that I have offended Barry's "friends" who I mentioned above.
I realize that this assuming remark I made was a total low blow and a snide remark that really was uncalled for.
I am totally in the wrong. and I am offering my apologies to all of those who feel Offended by my including you in such a way.
My mistake. My apologies. I really try to not make an ass out of myself by saying stupid things like that. And I am sincerely sorry.
I will make another thread to apologize to those who are Barry's friends as I would hate for them to miss this one apology on this little thread.
Ok, so Barry doesn't want me to start a new thread to apologize to all of his friends. He said this would be the place to do so.
I apologize to all of you. whoever you are.
I wouldn't bother making a separate post, Barry can't have that many friends. :alan2cents:
If you've offended that one person is this thread, then that one person should be happy you apologized in this thread. Enough said... :-X
Apparently since I mentioned my opinion about sending build sheets to Barry, a lot of his friends feel I was calling him out on this site and that is unfair because he isn't a member here. And therefor can't "defend" himself here.
We have had a lengthy email conversation. About the policies he has always had. I know his policies. I wasn't asking questions. I was stating fact.
I wasn't calling him out.
I said,
If it's sent the Barry the information is lost to all of us in the hobby. Unless someone can prove to Barry that they own the car.
Information is LOST to all of us.......
I stand by that. Is that not the case? Am I seeing this in a skewed vision?
No offense to all of you who respect Barry for this. that's cool. whatever. I respect him for his service's as well.
BUT, you all want to get on to me for MY opinion.
Yal got another thing coming.........................
I'm sorry for the very "wrong" remark I made about his friends.
But all that information is lost to all of us in this "community". in which I have apparently pissed in some wheaties.
Sorry I'm a little worked up.
Your probably right Alan. Thanks for the consoling words. :banana:
back to looking for cuda's.
A few years ago now I bought a real cool AAR Cuda project which I knew wouldn't be in any of the registries.... a quick Google search led me to the registry "TransamCuda" which was a tremendous amount of information.....but always wanting more, I was directed to Barry Washington as being the "go to" guy for AAR/TA information....
I sent him a message asking one simple question "How many FC7 with white interior AAR's were in his registry ?"
The answer I got from him was simply a link to his "cash donation page" That speaks volumes to what you're saying here about the hoarding of information.....That was my last contact with him and will always be my last. I have no time for people like that. :thumbdown:
I agree with HEMICUDA.... "Dan is hands down one of the very best and knowledgeable guys in the hobby bar none"
Dan is da man!!
A couple years ago I mentioned BW in a post on another forum he'd stopped posting on, and shortly afterward got an email from him saying his "sources" told him I'd mentioned him, and chewing me out.
I had flashbacks to when I was 6 or 7 when my buddy next door Bobby's older sister Barbara, was a big tattle tail and used to go tell my mom about everything me and Bobby did. My mom eventually got fed up with Barbara and told her to go away! :rofl:
I still roll my eyes when I think of that BW email, and of the little Barbaras out there in cyberspace monitoring for anyone mentioning him and tattle tailing, totally grade school level behavior and pathetic. Grow up and get a life! :thumbdown:
3 or 4 years ago, (or is it 5?) Barry was pro active and communicating on 2 or 3 Mopar websites.
Then one day he got Butt hurt with Ross at CC.com and closed his membership at CC.com.
I heard runor it was over advertising fees. But I'll bever know what it actually was about.
He was living in Ketchikan, AK. right about then.
So then he moved to PA. and I suppose he is still on Moparts; but I never go there.
So if that's where he wants to be....So be it!
And he claims to be the T/A/ AAR buildsheet guru?
So why can't he patch up things with Ross and become pro active here as well? :dunno:
Bite your lip and reconcile and start a new leaf! :alan2cents:
It's a new day!
If he claims he can help owners get their build sheet's for E bodies; there's no excuse not for him to be a member here. :alan2cents:
I officially invited him to join here.
Both because of his worth to this hobby and because I'm fine with him being able to talk back to me here.
I am member on moparts but have never posted anything there. Too much drama going on. But some great reading sometimes
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 25, 2018, 07:59:33 PM
I am member on moparts but have never posted anything there. Too much drama going on. But some great reading sometimes
Please let's try to keep the drama there and not here! Back to the Mopars! :clapping:
Quote from: Spikedog08 on February 25, 2018, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on February 25, 2018, 07:59:33 PM
I am member on moparts but have never posted anything there. Too much drama going on. But some great reading sometimes
Please let's try to keep the drama there and not here! Back to the Mopars! :clapping:
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup: I really enjoy it here. No drama, just love of E-bodies.
I agree completely :cheers:
Haven't been here that long but I have tried to read all the posts. This site seems to be made up of really great people. Have looked over the other sites and the don't compare to this one.
Yeah, I really love this site!
Thanks Cody !!!! And thanks all of you that participate!
Wow that conversation went on and on. Never understood the BW vs CC thing. But he was very heplful the last time I needed to know something. Back to MOPARS
I like Barry & appreciate what he does for the hobby.... That said I think his reasoning for not making info available is any time you put info out for the people with good intentions unfortunately theres always those with bad intentions looking for ways to use that same info....
It's a tough situation, very few like the shady re-body & re-stamping stuff that has happened & continues to happen... Those that do for the most part are the ones who have profited from it....
But on the other side many want as much knowledge about the process as they can learn.... It's how most of us are wired...
25-30 years ago I knew a guy with a beautiful black 70 440-6 Roadrunner... It was missing the engine when he got it & while building he mentioned to his machine shop that he'd love to find the matching block... And the shop told him they could stamp one up so no one could tell... From day one he admitted it was re-stamped, never tried to fool anyone.. A few years later he sold the car... Next owner was a flipper... Guess what? Of course now the car was advertised as #s matching...
So do those in the know teach the crooks how to make their fakes undetectable? Slippery slope....
I use to really try to learn/know this stuff but these days I find driving the cars is allot more fun...