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Title: 71 383 value?
Post by: Mac84 on March 01, 2020, 08:36:47 PM
I am new to the E body world and am looking at buying a 71 Challenger hardtop 383 3 speed car. It runs and drives but needs some sheet metal work. Overall a solid car. I have no idea the value on these cars and was hoping for some help as to what it might be worth. Any input would be appreciated!  Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: 71 383
Post by: Chryco Psycho on March 01, 2020, 08:39:56 PM
HI & Welcome to the site from Panama  :wave:
I am not even going to try top guess based on 1 picture but a complete running & driving car is always a good start especially if it is solid   :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: Cuda Cody on March 01, 2020, 08:49:02 PM
Welcome to the forum @Mac84 (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/mac84_6365)   :welcome:

Do you have any other photos of the car?  That would help us know what the price might be.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: Mac84 on March 01, 2020, 08:49:57 PM
Thanks! I completely understand.  I have a bunch more pics, just don't know how to post them all at the same time! I am not expecting an end all number, just a ballpark range to give me an idea of what seems fair. Is this a $5000-$10000 car or is that too low to expect?
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: 6bblgt on March 01, 2020, 08:53:21 PM
is it a JH23N1B or JS23N1B car?  fender tag?

below where you entered the first pic - there's (more attachments)  to add additional pics
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: Mac84 on March 01, 2020, 08:57:21 PM
VIN is JH23N1B381866
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: 6bblgt on March 01, 2020, 09:40:00 PM
I see $10K+ easily

is the 3-speed manual transmission original to the car? or are "WE" talking 3-speed automatic (I see kick-down linkage)?  NO fender tag or broadcast sheet?

:o GG's "white book" shows:
1 Challenger JH23 hardtop (roll-down rear 1/4 windows) 383 4bbl 3-speed manual built to US spec.
2 Challenger JH23 coupe (A93 fixed rear 1/4 windows) 383 4bbl 3-speed manual built to US spec.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: Mac84 on March 01, 2020, 09:52:09 PM
I haven't seen a fender tag or broadcast sheet yet,  but the owner said it was a 727 3 speed auto.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: anlauto on March 02, 2020, 03:49:58 AM
I thought he meant 3 speed standard as well  :o ...a real 1 of 1  :unbelievable:

I would say $10K-$15K if it's not a rot box underneath  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on March 02, 2020, 09:30:37 AM
$10k and up depending on rust. Does it have a rallye dash? 4 same size gauge pods including a tachometer? 71's are really cool.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: cuda hunter on March 02, 2020, 09:47:48 AM
The fender tag and build sheet make a big difference on determining value.
I agree with 15k if it runs and drives and the sheet metal replacement is minimal.

but fender tag or build sheet makes a difference.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: 71383bee on March 02, 2020, 10:34:45 AM
Quote from: cuda hunter on March 02, 2020, 09:47:48 AM
The fender tag and build sheet make a big difference on determining value.
I agree with 15k if it runs and drives and the sheet metal replacement is minimal.

but fender tag or build sheet makes a difference.

Agreed.

An "N" Code challenger is a great start.  Even if its not an R/T.   Looks like its an original EW1 car too. 
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: 6bblgt on March 02, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
EW1 wasn't available for '71 on an E-body - GW3 was the "NEW" for '71 "bright white" - ended up being a '71 ONLY color
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: 71383bee on March 03, 2020, 08:47:52 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on March 02, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
EW1 wasn't available for '71 on an E-body - GW3 was the "NEW" for '71 "bright white" - ended up being a '71 ONLY color

Good Point!  my bad!  I sometimes forget the year change. 
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: Mac84 on March 30, 2020, 08:07:29 PM
Sorry for such a delayed update to the thread, but I finally was able to get more pictures of the car.  I haven't gotten a fender tag or underbody/frame picture. I did get a lot of others and will post them. He wants $8000 firm.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: Mac84 on March 30, 2020, 08:09:30 PM
Here are the rest
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: JS29 on March 31, 2020, 07:32:14 AM
I don't believe the under side would look any better. the rot in the roof tells me the structure is bad. :thumbdown:  :stop:
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: 71383bee on March 31, 2020, 08:03:25 AM
Quote from: JS29 on March 31, 2020, 07:32:14 AM
I don't believe the under side would look any better. the rot in the roof tells me the structure is bad. :thumbdown:  :stop:

Agreed. That car is going to need a tone of metal work.  Too bad.   The engine bay looks ok but based on those body pictures as soon as you pull it apart its going to be worse.   N code challenger is still cool but it not being an R/T your going to invest the same amount to restore and it will not stack up to R/T value in the end. 
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on March 31, 2020, 08:19:07 AM
Agreed: Straight up pass on that one.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: anlauto on March 31, 2020, 08:23:39 AM
I think it's worth every penny of the asking price, HOWEVER, it is a huge can of worms. You would be better off starting with a more expensive car in better condition. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on March 31, 2020, 08:37:41 AM
$8k plus rear rails, trunk floor, extensions, inner and outer wheelhouses, roof skin, roof structure that you can't buy, inner and outer rockers, front and intermediate floor, Tail panel, dutchman, welder, hours and hours of cutting and welding. Plus what you can't see which is likely the front rails.
I hate it but if you're not experienced with welding and fabricating you are much better off saving another $10k and getting into something better. In Canada it would take $20k in AMD parts to fix this one. It might be okay in the U.S. if you're really experienced with welding and fabbing structure parts but you would still be losing money, just not as much.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: anlauto on March 31, 2020, 08:57:56 AM


.......or spend $200 bucks on a hot safety and drive it...  :burnout: :haha: Not every car needs to be restored to perfection :lurking: :D
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on March 31, 2020, 09:44:18 AM
I won't ride in anything that isn't structually sound though. There's just plaiin better cars out there.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: JS29 on March 31, 2020, 10:22:35 AM
That would make for an expensive parts car!!! :alan2cents:
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: anlauto on March 31, 2020, 10:49:04 AM
Sheldon are you assuming the frame rails are rusty or did I miss some photos ?

The roof does scare me too....but check out the cheesy patches in the rear floors...all you need to patch that roof is some fiberglass ! :haha: :haha:
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on March 31, 2020, 11:13:47 AM
I don't think I've ever cut panels off a car and found it better than I assumed. So I would assume the worst on this one, that kind of salty air, roof rust usually runs right through the whole car. Rockers look totally rotten too. I'd much sooner find a car from the B.C. interior that has winter driven rust behind the wheels than this type of car.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: JS29 on March 31, 2020, 11:49:11 AM
 :iagree: 100%
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: anlauto on March 31, 2020, 11:56:09 AM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 31, 2020, 11:13:47 AM
I don't think I've ever cut panels off a car and found it better than I assumed.

Ain't that the truth :rofl:
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: CudaMoparRay on March 31, 2020, 03:37:59 PM
 :welcome: from Riverside, CA
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: Mac84 on March 31, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
Thanks for all the input guys!  I am a Technician by trade so mechanical stuff is no problem for me. Some light welding too, but not this amount of it! I didn't think it looked too bad until I saw how bad the roof is.  I just want a car so I can drive it so it doesn't need to be restored now, but this much rust is too much for me I think.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: gzig5 on March 31, 2020, 06:38:14 PM
In my opinion it could be worth 8k but that is pushing it.  Even around here.   A lot of these guys are harder on the pricing, but they already have been through it a time or two.  But if you are patient and willing to travel you should be able to find a decent project for 10K+ but not a lot less.  Deals are out there but few and far between now.  Knowing now what I do, I would have waited for a car with a more solid undercarriage and paid a few grand more.  It can all be fixed, but the stuff under the car isn't as much fun and you usually need a rack or bracing.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: RUNCHARGER on March 31, 2020, 06:47:53 PM
There will be lots of deals coming up in the next few months so I would wait for sure.
Title: Re: 71 383 value?
Post by: JS29 on April 01, 2020, 06:15:42 AM
 :iagree: