Purchased a LOT of parts locally, and sorting through what I have. Did the cursory google search without success. Are there any markings on the header panel and grill / headlight bezels for a '70 Barracuda? If so where should I be looking?
I looked over the parts and was unable to find any markings - thanks
Anyone??
I'm not sure what you're asking, but the 70 Cuda header panel is unique to 70 and easily identifiable as are the headlight bezels. did you try a Google image search?
posting pics here will get you a quick answer from someone who answers quickly.
I think he is asking how you would tell the difference between original grille/headlight buckets vs the aftermarket ones. Arethere any tell tales he should be looking for.
Sorry - I don't have an answer for that. I bet Mike at BE&A would know though.
Sorry, yes, I am asking if there are part numbers or markings on the header panel and grill for a '70 Cuda that identify them as OEM parts and where those markings would be. I already know the parts are correct for a '70, looking for the location of part numbers / date codes if any on these parts that would identify as original Mopar - thanks
OEM left headlight bucket. I'll drag the center section out later and look.
Right bucket and center section. Sorry about the blurry picture, the numbers and pentastar are there. Let me know if you find them, you'd think a quality repop would have the numbers on them too.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 09, 2022, 01:31:35 PM
Right bucket and center section. Sorry about the blurry picture, the numbers and pentastar are there. Let me know if you find them, you'd think a quality repop would have the numbers on them too.
I would think that only original and the reproduction BEA grilles would have Pentastars and numbers on them. Weren't they the only ones officially licensed by Mopar as replacement parts?
When I said quality repop I meant the BE&A ones. I don't know how they were made but my originals have what look like molding indents on the back. One is visible in the picture of the left one, between the two numbers.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 09, 2022, 02:50:30 PM
Quote from: 70_440-6Cuda on November 09, 2022, 02:43:14 PM
@Jay Bee (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/jay-bee_351), thanks so much; where on the center section is that located, left or right side?
Left side. Do you see any numbers on your parts?
Well, I just pulled up a picture and there it is clear as day - no idea how the hell I missed that! Getting old and blind!
has the same part # (2949558) and is molded crooked like yours. Cant read the numbers below though - but that is what I was looking for, thank you!!
Anyone know if there is anything on the header panel?
Quote from: 70_440-6Cuda on November 09, 2022, 02:58:25 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 09, 2022, 02:50:30 PM
Quote from: 70_440-6Cuda on November 09, 2022, 02:43:14 PM
@Jay Bee (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/jay-bee_351), thanks so much; where on the center section is that located, left or right side?
Left side. Do you see any numbers on your parts?
Well, I just pulled up a picture and there it is clear as day - no idea how the hell I missed that! Getting old and blind!
has the same part # (2949558) and is molded crooked like yours. Cant read the numbers below though - but that is what I was looking for, thank you!!
Anyone know if there is anything on the header panel?
Many metal parts have date stamped numbers, and they can be where it was easy to stamp the part. There are some here who can tell you the date the part was made, but I have never gotten that far into it. We will have to wait for the pros to clear this up.
Mike is a very good friend of mine here locally that has helped me out a ton over the years that was banned from this website for not "playing well" with others for calling them out on their PS.
The only reproduction grille on the planet that was perfect was the one he reproduced partner with MOPAR with all the part numbers and Penta Star on all the pieces parts and he had the only parking lights available. His grilles were sold thru the Chrysler dealerships until they ran out of them. The only other manufacturer of the 70 Cuda grille was Goodmark which is manufactured by Jesse Lia in Twain which is what you see on ebay and all the other vendors that advertise them, the trim profile is terrible and fits awful and didn't have the minor detail as the original that the BEA grille had.
This website lost a wealth of knowledge and information when that guy was banned.
FYI...
PG Classic's manufactures their own 1970 Cuda grill as well and has for quite a while now. They always had the 1970 Cuda signal lights available until they ran out of lenes, you can still get the housing with the pig tales etc... now and they are hoping to get the lenses back in production soon as well.
Here's their grill https://pgclassic.com/collections/grille/products/c-77ro6169-set
Quote from: FE5CUDA on November 10, 2022, 08:23:46 AM
Mike is a very good friend of mine here locally that has helped me out a ton over the years that was banned from this website for not "playing well" with others for calling them out on their PS.
The only reproduction grille on the planet that was perfect was the one he reproduced partner with MOPAR with all the part numbers and Penta Star on all the pieces parts and he had the only parking lights available. His grilles were sold thru the Chrysler dealerships until they ran out of them. The only other manufacturer of the 70 Cuda grille was Goodmark which is manufactured by Jesse Lia in Twain which is what you see on ebay and all the other vendors that advertise them, the trim profile is terrible and fits awful and didn't have the minor detail as the original that the BEA grille had.
This website lost a wealth of knowledge and information when that guy was banned.
I remember when I was looking for the lenses for my grille. I called Mike and he talked to me for about an hour detailing what to look for in reporduction/original parts and he let me know that he didn't have many more of the lenses left. He was such a cool guy to talk to. I could tell he loved the hobby and liked helping people finish their cars. Good guy.
My car has a fiberglass front clip, which I assumed was from a front end collision, but the radiator support is original with the VIN and perfectly straight - also no signs of being replaced so :notsure:
I got a bunch of stuff from a guy locally, and just trying to sort through everything and identify the best parts I have that are factory - I will have an extra set of front parking lights for sale as well.
I have 2 header panels, one is really straight with no repairs, trying to identify if it is 1: original and 2: I heard they are date coded, so where to find that info as I see no markings on it anywhere (but I am also old and blind!)
I am trying to find original parts rather than going aftermarket just because of the fit and finish - only thing I could not find at a reasonable price were front fenders so I went AMD... wasn't spending $2K each for NOS fenders
Quote from: FE5CUDA on November 10, 2022, 08:23:46 AM
Mike is a very good friend of mine here locally that has helped me out a ton over the years that was banned from this website for not "playing well" with others for calling them out on their PS.
The only reproduction grille on the planet that was perfect was the one he reproduced partner with MOPAR with all the part numbers and Penta Star on all the pieces parts and he had the only parking lights available. His grilles were sold thru the Chrysler dealerships until they ran out of them. The only other manufacturer of the 70 Cuda grille was Goodmark which is manufactured by Jesse Lia in Twain which is what you see on ebay and all the other vendors that advertise them, the trim profile is terrible and fits awful and didn't have the minor detail as the original that the BEA grille had.
I'm sure the site had its reasons for banning him. I post a screen shot of the initial page on his website. Emphasis on: "has a very simple philosophy, produce the absolute best reproduction parts without compromise."
This website lost a wealth of knowledge and information when that guy was banned.
ALL, yes, ALL of the 1970 seat belt sets listed on his site are inaccurate as they all are 1971 style, all having 1971 chrome ends on them. This is not in line with the previous statement that I quoted from his website. Just some information for everyone.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 09, 2022, 01:10:10 PM
OEM left headlight bucket. I'll drag the center section out later and look.
Same here.
Quote from: 70_440-6Cuda on November 08, 2022, 02:04:18 PM
Purchased a LOT of parts locally, and sorting through what I have. Did the cursory google search without success. Are there any markings on the header panel and grill / headlight bezels for a '70 Barracuda? If so where should I be looking?
I looked over the parts and was unable to find any markings - thanks
The most common repro grille compared to an original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswwj56tCx0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswwj56tCx0)
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on November 10, 2022, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: 70_440-6Cuda on November 08, 2022, 02:04:18 PM
Purchased a LOT of parts locally, and sorting through what I have. Did the cursory google search without success. Are there any markings on the header panel and grill / headlight bezels for a '70 Barracuda? If so where should I be looking?
I looked over the parts and was unable to find any markings - thanks
The most common repro grille compared to an original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswwj56tCx0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswwj56tCx0)
Nice comparison video...it's funny how he talks about OER like they set the standard with "their" parts when all they do is re-label other manufactures parts :haha:
CHL is the manufacture https://en.chlautoparts.com.tw/about-us.html
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on November 10, 2022, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: 70_440-6Cuda on November 08, 2022, 02:04:18 PM
Purchased a LOT of parts locally, and sorting through what I have. Did the cursory google search without success. Are there any markings on the header panel and grill / headlight bezels for a '70 Barracuda? If so where should I be looking?
I looked over the parts and was unable to find any markings - thanks
The most common repro grille compared to an original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswwj56tCx0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswwj56tCx0)
GREAT video!! Man there is so much to know just to scratch the surface - trying not to make mistakes that will cost me more in the long run..
Found this marking on the header panel - does it mean anything? Also stamped what looks like 100
Quote from: 198D13 on November 10, 2022, 01:38:51 PM
ALL, yes, ALL of the 1970 seat belt sets listed on his site are inaccurate as they all are 1971 style, all having 1971 chrome ends on them. This is not in line with the previous statement that I quoted from his website. Just some information for everyone.
Only the pictures on his website where the original samples sent to him for pictures. He immediately corrected that with PG long before he made a production run of both years. I own an interior shop and have used the reproduction 70 & 71 belts, they had the correct curved male ends for 70 as apposed to the straight used in 71.
Quote from: 198D13 on November 10, 2022, 01:38:51 PM
ALL, yes, ALL of the 1970 seat belt sets listed on his site are inaccurate as they all are 1971 style, all having 1971 chrome ends on them. This is not in line with the previous statement that I quoted from his website. Just some information for everyone.
Can you post pictures of the parts you ordered and received and what's wrong with them?
Quote from: Filthy Filbert on November 11, 2022, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: 198D13 on November 10, 2022, 01:38:51 PM
ALL, yes, ALL of the 1970 seat belt sets listed on his site are inaccurate as they all are 1971 style, all having 1971 chrome ends on them. This is not in line with the previous statement that I quoted from his website. Just some information for everyone.
Can you post pictures of the parts you ordered and received and what's wrong with them?
It's my understanding that the guy no longer manufactures or sells reproduction parts so why is this conversation even relevant ? and what's it got to do with identifying a header panel ?
For original or repro grilles, here is some info on correctly finishing the 1970 grille's
dark argent silver. Yes, the 1970 grille is dark argent as well as the Shaker scoop.
Lighting and viewing angle vary the look of the grille.
https://moparconnectionmagazine.com/restoring-comeback-cudas-shaker-grille-correct-finish-color-myths-busted/ (https://moparconnectionmagazine.com/restoring-comeback-cudas-shaker-grille-correct-finish-color-myths-busted/)
Quote from: anlauto on November 11, 2022, 09:32:17 AM
Quote from: Filthy Filbert on November 11, 2022, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: 198D13 on November 10, 2022, 01:38:51 PM
ALL, yes, ALL of the 1970 seat belt sets listed on his site are inaccurate as they all are 1971 style, all having 1971 chrome ends on them. This is not in line with the previous statement that I quoted from his website. Just some information for everyone.
Can you post pictures of the parts you ordered and received and what's wrong with them?
It's my understanding that the guy no longer manufactures or sells reproduction parts so why is this conversation even relevant ? and what's it got to do with identifying a header panel ?
:rofl:
Quote from: anlauto on November 11, 2022, 09:32:17 AM
Quote from: Filthy Filbert on November 11, 2022, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: 198D13 on November 10, 2022, 01:38:51 PM
ALL, yes, ALL of the 1970 seat belt sets listed on his site are inaccurate as they all are 1971 style, all having 1971 chrome ends on them. This is not in line with the previous statement that I quoted from his website. Just some information for everyone.
Can you post pictures of the parts you ordered and received and what's wrong with them?
What does bringing up seat belts in the first place have to do with identifying a header panel?
I thought we were trying to share info and learn from each other; to include how to identify 'incorrect' parts...
Or is that not what we do here anymore?
It's my understanding that the guy no longer manufactures or sells reproduction parts so why is this conversation even relevant ? and what's it got to do with identifying a header panel ?
Quote from: MoparCarGuy on November 11, 2022, 05:29:03 PM
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The seat belt differences are separate but deserve a separate thread to discuss. I want to know about those differences, too. :drinkingbud:
Although this thread makes no mention of the BE&A seat belts, it does talk about PG Classic's belts which are the same and still available...
https://forum.e-bodies.org/parts-wanted/25/looking-for-a-complete-set-of-black-seat-belts-for-a-70-cuda-convertible/26727/msg302883#msg302883
The stamp is on the larger center support bracket. I am learning a lot here, and am finding there are many many details that can make a part right or not forgotten my car and need the expertise to make sure Iselect the most accurate parts
Don't forget there are black plastic grills that are sprayed with black argent.
I don't have paperwork that proves which cars got the black grills, but AAR's got them, sometimes, there may have been some M46's with them? I have one M46 that had the grill taken out and inside the car when I purchased it, broken to pieces, but black plastic and black argent.
I am also not sure if the part numbers are the same. Anyone know the answer?
If any of your grill parts are black plastic and do not match with your grey plastic dark argent grill parts I would be interested.
Factory AAR grills with their headlight bezels and lower vlance inserts were not painted , they were molded
in black.
My 70 header panel is stamped 31-1
Im sure they had more than one die for these parts if the die went bad they would be able to find which one needs repair.
The wiper motors have these types of numbers on the cast housing tooling
I thought those numbers were just plant or run/shift numbers. I checked my 3 that were handy.
(2) sw 29-1 (1) sw36-1
What does it all mean? Obviously, identifier of factory vs repop, but plant? LA vs Hammtramic?
I think someone from this forum had mentioned that the header panel had a date code, but I could be mistaken - would not be the first time! Not that it matters - looks like I have original parts so that is really what I was looking for. Would be curious to know what the markings mean if anything....
Quote from: Filthy Filbert on November 11, 2022, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: anlauto on November 11, 2022, 09:32:17 AM
Quote from: Filthy Filbert on November 11, 2022, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: 198D13 on November 10, 2022, 01:38:51 PM
ALL, yes, ALL of the 1970 seat belt sets listed on his site are inaccurate as they all are 1971 style, all having 1971 chrome ends on them. This is not in line with the previous statement that I quoted from his website. Just some information for everyone.
Can you post pictures of the parts you ordered and received and what's wrong with them?
What does bringing up seat belts in the first place have to do with identifying a header panel?
I thought we were trying to share info and learn from each other; to include how to identify 'incorrect' parts...
Or is that not what we do here anymore?
It's my understanding that the guy no longer manufactures or sells reproduction parts so why is this conversation even relevant ? and what's it got to do with identifying a header panel ?
It may be your understanding that he doesn't manufacture them anymore, but if that is the case, why does he still list them on his website, and why has he not changed the pictures of all of them to correct this glaring error?? Go to his website and take a look. The fact that he still HAS a website indicates that those flawed products do exist and are for sale.
As for the header panels, it seems that everyone here is having trouble with even the most basic identification of these. A lot of the pictures posted are of a 1971 header panel, not a 1970, as was mentioned at the start of this thread.
As far as 1970 grilles cast in black plastic, they were not available until shortly before the AAR 'cuda's were made(end of February of 1970), and when they were installed in AAR's, they and the headlight bezels were also painted black organosol(NOT argent, which is a silver colour @cudahunter ) giving the grille and bezels a slightly rough finish. The first editions of the 1970 parts book do not list a black grille, the later editions do, with a different part number than the silver ones. The vast majority of M46 equipped cars were very early production, so the all would have had silver grilles in them, BUT at least some of those grilles and bezels(maybe a lot, as far as I'm concerned) were sprayed black with the organosol paint.