Went to a local cruise night and was surprised just how packed it was. As busy as I've ever seen it. I'm taking this as a sign that people are ready to move on with their lives, despite any lingering risks. It was very nice to get out again and I was pleasantly surprised that four other e body cars made it. I've only ever seen one other in my County. Mine is the gold one. There was a nice Challenger ragtop that left before we could get him in the photo.
That's great getting back to normal slowly, We can only be locked up for so long. Nice photo :australia:
Quote from: cudamadd on May 23, 2020, 09:55:52 PM
That's great getting back to normal slowly, We can only be locked up for so long. Nice photo :australia:
Thanks. I'm going next month and if I see the Challenger ragtop, I'm gonna talk him into moving over for photos.
E -Towwn meet post -poned
https://www.facebook.com/RacewayPark/photos/gm.251366095994380/4355158031176872/?type=3&theater
We are now allowed meetings of up to 10 people (with proper 6-foot distancing) in Quebec, so even though all official car shows are canceled until September, we are starting to see smaller improvised meets on weeknights, etc... It's going well for older musclecar guys... but police has been called for a few meets, generally involving tuner cars, where things got out of hand...
We had a small meet with a couple of friends this week, lost the habit, only remembered to take pics as we were leaving!
Stay safe everyone,
Ben
Quote from: benlavigne on May 24, 2020, 06:37:40 AM
We are now allowed meetings of up to 10 people (with proper 6-foot distancing) in Quebec, so even though all official car shows are canceled until September, we are starting to see smaller improvised meets on weeknights, etc... It's going well for older musclecar guys... but police has been called for a few meets, generally involving tuner cars, where things got out of hand...
We had a small meet with a couple of friends this week, lost the habit, only remembered to take pics as we were leaving!
Stay safe everyone,
Ben
Funny you mention the "Tuner crowd" we just had a crack down the other night where Police issued 180 tickets to guys gathered in a parking lot....
https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/peel-police-stop-hundreds-of-drivers-issue-dozens-of-tickets-as-part-of-crackdown-on-street-racing-1.4951624
My :alan2cents:
Never was in " fear" of the coronavirus . Respect it yes, fear no. When its my time, its my time, simple. We are all going to die and for most of us it won't be a " good time" I can accept that and don't fear being "dead" . Living takes more courage than dying. Like the Bikers say, live hard die young, leave a good looking corpse! LOL Life is for the living, not the dead.
We were asked to " flatten the curve" so as to not overwhelm our medical systems. Made sense, I understood and participated. We accomplished that. Now its has changed to permanently continue till they find a vaccine. Which will likely be years down the road( if ever?) and by the time they come up with one it will most definitely have mutated by then rendering it ineffective.( reports out of China say the second wave has mutated) Something like the flu shot . ( which I never have participated in, they do not have a good track record with by the way.) Let alone the controversies surrounding whats inside the " vaccine" Facts as of now is that there is no " cure/magic bullet" for this. It has to work its way thru our societies till " herd immunity" is achieved. Just like any other virus mankind has endured from the beginning of time. I think history will show that Sweden got it right.
I do have a fear/ mistrust of some governments though. Not a fan of being " kettled" having my various rights, property rights and freedoms taken away step by step, with many never to return. Fear is a powerful weapon, oldest tool in the books to control people.
I'd rather die with my boots on than live on my knees thanks. And with well over 90% survive ability with mild stay at home symptoms, I do not "FEAR" taking my chances . No one can deny the facts that they are padding the death numbers due to covid 19 . You could almost jump out of an airplane without a parachute these days and it would be listed as a covid death. Again, fear is a powerful tool/weapon! The government up here clearly has not a clue how to handle this . One day, no wearing a mask is ineffective , next everyone should wear one, then no, then yes. Then there is the pathetic hypocrisy of our " leaders" no don't go to your cottages but we can etc... Rules for thee but not for me. Your just a peasant. No thanks !
I firmly believe the quality of my life would be much better with much less government interference. Life is hard enough without the incompetence of more and more government interference in every aspect of my life from cradle to grave. They always seem to run out of other peoples money but never there own?
This is just the tip of the iceberg, we up here are dealing with.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harrington-lake-renovations-ncc-1.5535502
Couldn't agree more. I work for the government and I've always known they are not to be trusted. This past few months has really opened my eyes to the sheep like mentality of common people. Can you think of any other time in human history where people lost their freedom and actually applauded the action?
One of the cornerstones of a free society is the ability to gather and talk or complain if you choose. That was the first thing we lost and everyone was okay with it. All it took was a little fear of getting sick. Imagine how easy it would be to do it again.
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on May 24, 2020, 10:28:18 AM
Couldn't agree more. I work for the government and I've always known they are not to be trusted. This past few months has really opened my eyes to the sheep like mentality of common people. Can you think of any other time in human history where people lost their freedom and actually applauded the action?
One of the cornerstones of a free society is the ability to gather and talk or complain if you choose. That was the first thing we lost and everyone was okay with it. All it took was a little fear of getting sick. Imagine how easy it would be to do it again.
It wasn't that long ago. Think Manzanar. (Japanese Internment Camps.) They all went "voluntarily." The Majority applauded the action, and re-elected those responsible over and over.
US Constitution, Amendment 1: Congress shall make no law...abridging...the right of the people peaceably to assemble.
It's a harsh comparison for sure and probably unfair but imagine how the German citizenry felt in the late 30s when their government started rounding up the Jewish population. After all, the Jews were portrayed as being the cause of all the country's problems. It was for the greater good they said and no one disagreed. They all stood by and supported it. Many even applauded. I'd be willing to bet it was warmly regarded and no one saw the danger they supported. There are lessens in that war about the nature of human beings.
I don't think this emergency was fabricated and I don't believe our leaders had ill intent. What I am saying though is that the general population will support any dangerous government behavior if it is marketed in such a way as being for the 'greater good' of society. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
One thing I will take from this crisis is a lack of faith in our medical experts. Our leaders allowed them too much voice to essentially set policy and the policy of any medical expert is to overreact in an extreme way. There is no such thing as too many precautions in their world and they typically don't consider unintended consequences of a proposed action. These are the same folks who would prescribe a liver destroying drug to treat a skin condition. We will never know how many people died in their sleep when they went to bed feeling ill but were too worried to go to the emergency room. Sweden definitely did it right and I hope we remember that next time.
1st. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
2nd. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
The second amendment is as important as the first. It is there to make sure we understand what must be done to those who take away our right to speech and assembly.
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 24, 2020, 11:56:06 AM
1st. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
2nd. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
The second amendment is as important as the first. It is there to make sure we understand what must be done to those who take away our right to speech and assembly.
That's what I find so fascinating about this crisis; For once, the threat was something we all agreed on so when the government came down with emergency orders taking away our right to peaceably assemble, we all accepted it. It demonstrates that if you message something right, you can get universal buy-in and make harsh regulations that eventually become the new normal. In essence, a government has no need to worry about the 2nd Amendment when all citizens universally forfeit their other rights willingly.
Not all of us.
I know many who did not comply. I personally visited 4 other states during this outrage.
And most in my circle only made their collections of peace keepers greater.
I was noncompliance from day one. I never drink any government cool-aid. :no:
:cheers: No government can give you anything, They haven't already taken away from you...Winston Churchill
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on May 24, 2020, 12:07:17 PM
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 24, 2020, 11:56:06 AM
1st. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
2nd. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
The second amendment is as important as the first. It is there to make sure we understand what must be done to those who take away our right to speech and assembly.
That's what I find so fascinating about this crisis; For once, the threat was something we all agreed on so when the government came down with emergency orders taking away our right to peaceably assemble, we all accepted it. It demonstrates that if you message something right, you can get universal buy-in and make harsh regulations that eventually become the new normal. In essence, a government has no need to worry about the 2nd Amendment when all citizens universally forfeit their other rights willingly.
I don`t think of it as giving up our rights but more common sense was that we all VOLUNTARILY helped stop the spread a deadly virus, now after a few months many are deciding we have been quarentined long enough and are starting to revolt against the stay at home orders because they cannot force us to do it.
I would have felt a whole lot better about all this is there was a united non political message to do this and that as precautions but the statewide orders really rubbed me the wrong way. Almost like a test to see what people would be willing to accept for the greater good. And then you hear certain officials both in law enforcement and out who wanted to arrest surfers, moms at parks, hair stylists and protestors while at the same time releasing violent offenders from jails because they were at risk. There were a few In charge who showed potential to be real fascists given the right climate.
I have yet to worry about this virus .
82 % that die are older have other issues , the general public has not been at risk , normal flu season is no worse .
I worry more about the people & the economy & that the governments of almost the whole world bought into this rediculous plan !
No Kool Aid for me !!
Oh it's over, at least around here. People here are out everywhere. We went through town Friday night and I haven't seen a cruise night that big since we were kids out cruising. It was flat out awesome! No social distancing, very few were wearing masks. All ages and families. Also Went to cheapo depot and Lowes today, in both stores they had almost all registers open trying to get people through, parking lots were just about full. Went to ace hardware and it was the same thing. I have never ever seen it this busy and with so many people in the stores and out and about. It's been like this since early May around here. Almost everyone in stores are wearing masks most places won't let you in without one Oh and boats and jet skis going to the delta.
interesting. I'm getting mixed reviews from my different friends in Cali. Seems San Diego is doing pretty well with following the states regs where as L.A. is not following the regs at all. San Fran is following regs but where your at east of san fran yal aren't following the regs either.
Wish my customer who canceled the house build this year was from your area.
Quote from: Brads70 on May 24, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
My :alan2cents:
Never was in " fear" of the coronavirus . Respect it yes, fear no. When its my time, its my time, simple. We are all going to die and for most of us it won't be a " good time" I can accept that and don't fear being "dead" . Living takes more courage than dying. Like the Bikers say, live hard die young, leave a good looking corpse! LOL Life is for the living, not the dead.
We were asked to " flatten the curve" so as to not overwhelm our medical systems. Made sense, I understood and participated. We accomplished that. Now its has changed to permanently continue till they find a vaccine. Which will likely be years down the road( if ever?) and by the time they come up with one it will most definitely have mutated by then rendering it ineffective.( reports out of China say the second wave has mutated) Something like the flu shot . ( which I never have participated in, they do not have a good track record with by the way.) Let alone the controversies surrounding whats inside the " vaccine" Facts as of now is that there is no " cure/magic bullet" for this. It has to work its way thru our societies till " herd immunity" is achieved. Just like any other virus mankind has endured from the beginning of time. I think history will show that Sweden got it right.
I do have a fear/ mistrust of some governments though. Not a fan of being " kettled" having my various rights, property rights and freedoms taken away step by step, with many never to return. Fear is a powerful weapon, oldest tool in the books to control people.
I'd rather die with my boots on than live on my knees thanks. And with well over 90% survive ability with mild stay at home symptoms, I do not "FEAR" taking my chances . No one can deny the facts that they are padding the death numbers due to covid 19 . You could almost jump out of an airplane without a parachute these days and it would be listed as a covid death. Again, fear is a powerful tool/weapon! The government up here clearly has not a clue how to handle this . One day, no wearing a mask is ineffective , next everyone should wear one, then no, then yes. Then there is the pathetic hypocrisy of our " leaders" no don't go to your cottages but we can etc... Rules for thee but not for me. Your just a peasant. No thanks !
I firmly believe the quality of my life would be much better with much less government interference. Life is hard enough without the incompetence of more and more government interference in every aspect of my life from cradle to grave. They always seem to run out of other peoples money but never there own?
This is just the tip of the iceberg, we up here are dealing with.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harrington-lake-renovations-ncc-1.5535502
Brad, I've always appreciated your input... This post may have moved you up to long distance mind reader status... You've been inside my head...
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on May 24, 2020, 01:45:02 PM
I would have felt a whole lot better about all this is there was a united non political message to do this and that as precautions but the statewide orders really rubbed me the wrong way. Almost like a test to see what people would be willing to accept for the greater good. And then you hear certain officials both in law enforcement and out who wanted to arrest surfers, moms at parks, hair stylists and protestors while at the same time releasing violent offenders from jails because they were at risk. There were a few In charge who showed potential to be real fascists given the right climate.
When I first saw what was considered "essentail" and saw liquor stores were on the list I knew the lockdown was a joke. Long lines at big box stores but small stores, churches, campgrounds etc. closed - why? It`s unfortunate that some of those in charge have used this to blame others or use ti to promote thier agendas but I guess we shouldn`t be surprised at those politicians as it`s business as usual for most of them.
I think that's where our leaders and health experts would have had more credibility had they issued recommended guidelines rather than orders. In our county, the orders were very gently enforced with direction that no one was getting arrested. Period. Other counties though released their storm troopers who went out and harassed people that were all alone causing no harm.
It's impossible to subjectively decide which businesses will suffer or die versus which ones will be allowed to flourish. Some mom and pops hang on by a thread and these orders killed them. Some will never reopen. I don't think I could ever open a business knowing that I'm one bad flu season away from the government shutting me down while allowing my larger corporate competitor gets to stay open.
That sentiment is scary. If your afraid to practice capitalism because the government "might" shut you down they have won.
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 25, 2020, 07:04:28 AM
That sentiment is scary. If your afraid to practice capitalism because the government "might" shut you down they have won.
They did win though. My favorite bar closed for good. I was just reading an article of a gym owner who was arrested for opening and now he plans to open again, while the local authorities are threatening to arrest him once more. A judge in Texas threw a hair dresser in jail because she wouldn't bow and issue an apology to the public for having the audacity to open against orders. The list goes on.
If we are serious in our outrage about all this, then we should be voting all these turds out of office. All too often, people tend to support their own representatives and keep voting them back in.
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 25, 2020, 07:04:28 AM
That sentiment is scary. If your afraid to practice capitalism because the government "might" shut you down they have won.
I think the scary thing is more that the government can tell say you can`t open your business but others are allowed to.
Quote from: torredcuda on May 25, 2020, 07:15:49 AM
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 25, 2020, 07:04:28 AM
That sentiment is scary. If your afraid to practice capitalism because the government "might" shut you down they have won.
I think the scary thing is more that the government can tell say you can`t open your business but others are allowed to.
That is essentially what they did. They waved their fingers at businesses and cast death sentences at some while granting life to others. I'd love to see most incumbents voted out. Send a powerful message what we think of them.
In order to vote out the career politicians we have to have someone with our values to vote for. That requires regular people to inject themselves into the races.
I believe that is what was intended from the beginning of this great nation.
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 25, 2020, 07:30:13 AM
In order to vote out the career politicians we have to have someone with our values to vote for. That requires regular people to inject themselves into the races.
I believe that is what was intended from the beginning of this great nation.
That is how most people see it so they continue to vote for people who absolutely do not have their values simply because they are the incumbent. I've heard a million times that "I'm voting for someone I despise simply because there is no one better and at least this person knows how the system works and won't ruin things." I contend it is because they know how the system works that they are intentionally ruining it for their own gain. I'd much rather vote in some green person who doesn't know the system. Things may not get done quickly but I prefer that to rapid change that we are seeing now.
Through this whole staged event I have never thought twice about helping anyone in need , their needs were more important than mine no matter if I was breaking curfew or not , the gov purpose is to serve the people Not control the people & they are not serving the people now . Fire the gov or at least shrink it to a managble size !
Well, at least one person out there is trying to "drain the swamp". And he's facing a tremendous amount of resistance.
How do we fire the government? No real way except to dare I say, use our second amendment rights. Please tell me there is another way. What is happening now is not right and it gets worse every day.
I know of only one non violent way. Never ever vote for an incumbent at any level of government unless you know that person well enough and truly like their values and more important, their actions. Most of us can't say that beyond one or two Visible politicians.
In addition, you have to convince others to never ever vote for an incumbent. It does happen and Trump is an example of that whether you like him or not.