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Title: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: CudaMartin on January 20, 2020, 08:03:23 AM
Working on my quarter panel install and alignment. I'm shooting a level/straight line with a laser level. Question is how "straight" is the body line really? Anyone ever shot theirs and checked it? nothing on my car is "straight" anyway so hate to ruin it. If you have a finished car and a laser level, help a brother out with a picture. :please:
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: HEMICUDA on January 20, 2020, 08:17:14 AM
Wow man, you get it that straight, you're the man. :wowzers:  I thought our work was straight, dang, I might invest in a laser like that.  We always work the tape line from top then the bottom, a laser would certainly get the tape line perfect.  Great idea for a car with a straight body line. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: CudaMartin on January 20, 2020, 08:24:23 AM
so your saying its not straight, i think the person that put my car together was drunk from the looks of the welds.  Going for close and eye balling it.  Got it!
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: HEMICUDA on January 20, 2020, 08:36:56 AM
Quote from: CudaMartin on January 20, 2020, 08:24:23 AM
so your saying its not straight, i think the person that put my car together was drunk from the looks of the welds.  Going for close and eye balling it.  Got it!

Huh? Hard to tell if the lines are off by the picture.  What I can tell you, even with an all original sheet metal car, there's work to get the body lines perfect.  All I was saying, the laser is a good start for all the long blocking needed to get it as perfect as that laser.
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: headejm on January 20, 2020, 09:36:59 AM
@CudaMartin (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudamartin_6102)  Sorry, my car is a Challenger but your line looks perfect. I don't mind perfect even though no one I know uses a laser. Someday, that line will be at the mercy of the door hinges and gravity so make it perfect now and over time it will look more like other cars. Your efforts are to be commended!
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: 1 Wild R/T on January 20, 2020, 09:42:24 AM
I used a laser on my Coronet, but that line isn't nearly as long as the one your working with... On the Cuda it crosses the door jamb, realize if the door is empty when you add the window/regulator/latch/etc it's gonna drop... So do your work on the Lines but realize after getting it perfect you'll want to re=adjust the door so the back of the door is about 3/16" high...
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: Shane Kelley on January 20, 2020, 11:23:25 AM
I use a thin 8' metal straight edge and a sharpie. Then I run masking tape up to that edge and work off of that.  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: JS29 on January 20, 2020, 02:09:03 PM
52 pounds of weight in the door's, laser to get a straight line, masking tape along the bottom of the line. Guide coat, Long block it, revers process.   :perfect10:   
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: jimynick on January 21, 2020, 07:11:30 PM
Quote from: JS29 on January 20, 2020, 02:09:03 PM
52 pounds of weight in the door's, laser to get a straight line, masking tape along the bottom of the line. Guide coat, Long block it, revers process.   :perfect10:
Yep, and it'll be perfect. The fly in the ointment comes in when you realize that neither God nor Mopar ever make one of these cars- perfect. I get it, the desire to have it so, but the strain of that much worrying would keep me awake nights knowing that gravity and the guy driving beside you while you're in it, may have their wicked ways with your perfection. But, as I've said before, your car, your call, so enjoy!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: Topcat on January 21, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
A body guy who did my front fenders said the body line is not laser straight as it goes to the front.

The very first 10 to 12 inches is a very slight downward curve.

I can't verify that, but it makes sense.

Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: anlauto on January 22, 2020, 03:37:07 AM
Quote from: jimynick on January 21, 2020, 07:11:30 PM
Quote from: JS29 on January 20, 2020, 02:09:03 PM
52 pounds of weight in the door's, laser to get a straight line, masking tape along the bottom of the line. Guide coat, Long block it, revers process.   :perfect10:
Yep, and it'll be perfect. The fly in the ointment comes in when you realize that neither God nor Mopar ever make one of these cars- perfect. I get it, the desire to have it so, but the strain of that much worrying would keep me awake nights knowing that gravity and the guy driving beside you while you're in it, may have their wicked ways with your perfection. But, as I've said before, your car, your call, so enjoy!  :cheers:

Not to mention...these unibody cars flex....so get it down off that cart and see where you're at then....drive it for six months and see how well you retain that line....I'd be curious :thinking:
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: dodj on January 22, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: JS29 on January 20, 2020, 02:09:03 PM
52 pounds of weight in the door's
The window, reg, and tracks actually weigh 52 pounds?!?
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: JS29 on January 22, 2020, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: dodj on January 22, 2020, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: JS29 on January 20, 2020, 02:09:03 PM
52 pounds of weight in the door's
The window, reg, and tracks actually weigh 52 pounds?!?
Yup! that is what cuda cody came up with, sounds right to me.  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: tparker on January 22, 2020, 12:49:11 PM
Mine isn't straight. LOL. Honestly, I am not sure the build quality of any of these cars was perfect. There is over spray, bad welds, and lots of other anomalies. So I think getting perfection is not what came out of the factory. Probably heresy. LOL.

Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: CudaMartin on January 29, 2020, 05:40:42 AM
Quote from: tparker on January 22, 2020, 12:49:11 PM
Mine isn't straight. LOL. Honestly, I am not sure the build quality of any of these cars was perfect. There is over spray, bad welds, and lots of other anomalies. So I think getting perfection is not what came out of the factory. Probably heresy. LOL.

Yes build quality was not Chrysler's thing in thei 70s.  I definitely found some super sloppy welds while removing rusty panels.  Close enough and eye ball straight is what I'm going for.  Good feedback though.
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: jimynick on January 29, 2020, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: CudaMartin on January 29, 2020, 05:40:42 AM
Quote from: tparker on January 22, 2020, 12:49:11 PM
Mine isn't straight. LOL. Honestly, I am not sure the build quality of any of these cars was perfect. There is over spray, bad welds, and lots of other anomalies. So I think getting perfection is not what came out of the factory. Probably heresy. LOL.

Yes build quality was not Chrysler's thing in thei 70s.  I definitely found some super sloppy welds while removing rusty panels.  Close enough and eye ball straight is what I'm going for.  Good feedback though.
There you, a breath of sanity at last. Don't get me wrong, I believe in getting the best fit possible with what you've got, but I'm NOT going to spend days, edge-welding rod onto panels to achieve that Audi fit, either. As Alan mentioned too, try driving one of these cars in non-supported condition and see what your panel edges and fits look like after a couple thousand miles in the real world. Anyways, have fun, that's what really counts!
Title: Re: Body Line Panel Allignment
Post by: soundcontrol on January 30, 2020, 04:34:10 AM
Smart thing to use a laser!
I guess it could work on a Challenger also, if you measured the bodyline offset at a bunch of points
to the straight laser line. I might try that to the get the 2 sides the same.