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Title: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: daaboots on May 11, 2023, 01:18:41 PM
I guess I should just start off by saying I'm a complete noob when it comes to body work and paint prep. I'm getting close to having all the new panels installed on my car, and I'm starting to think about the next stage - sandblasting and prep for primer.

I'm reading through the "How to Paint a Show Car" guide from @Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) . In step 7 (https://www.e-bodies.org/how-to-paint-a-show-car-step-by-step-guide/#step7), he talks about the black coating on new panels. I am restoring my car a bit backwards in regards to the how-to guide in that I have replaced the rusty panels before sandblasting the car. Now that I'm nearing the sandblasting stage, I'm not exactly sure what to do about the new panels.

Should I blast them down to bare metal?
Should I sand them down to bare metal?
Should I just leave them with the black coating?

For reference, the only original exterior panels are the trunk lid, doors, and front lower valance.

Thanks folks!  :drinkingbud:
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: Rich G. on May 11, 2023, 04:46:20 PM
I've been told to wipe the panel with lacquer thinner. If it comes off on the rag then take it all off. If it doesn't then it's good to go. Just sand it like you would when your ready for the next step in the many prime and sand stages. That's what I do anyway and the paint is still looking good 20 years later.
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: nicka on May 11, 2023, 04:59:36 PM
I did the Acetone test on the AMD E-coat and the black e-coat came off.  I called PPG and they told to remove the e-coat.  I'm sanding, media blasting, epoxy primer, and then high build primer.
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: torredcuda on May 12, 2023, 06:09:33 AM
If lacquer thinner takes it off you need to strip it all off but even if it`s good e-coat I sand it off anyways. I have heard stories of surface rust on the metal under the e-coat. I would not sandblast it though, just sand it off.
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: daaboots on May 12, 2023, 06:39:45 AM
Thanks for the input everyone.

Another noob question then... what is the easiest way to sand down body panels? I'm assuming there's a power tool for this?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: torredcuda on May 12, 2023, 06:54:46 AM
DA or dual action sander - https://www.harborfreight.com/6-in-dual-action-air-sander-68152.html
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: nicka on May 18, 2023, 10:10:09 AM
Working on the doors today.  Media will reach areas that can't be reached with sanders. I like to recover with media to give it a rough finish before applying epoxy.   
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: tparker on May 18, 2023, 12:24:27 PM
I would recommend watching Eastwood videos. They have a ton of great ones. Of course they are trying to sell you stuff, but they put out some great information. I also got a couple of Kevin Tetz Paintucation vidoes and those were good too. Cheap used.

The DA sander is great because it isn't supper aggressive like a disk sander. Both are great and fairly cheap. My DA came from Eastwood and I have many cheap harbor freight disk sanders. I think the DA was $30-$50. You might spend more on the sanding paper depending how much you do. LOL.
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: daaboots on May 18, 2023, 12:47:13 PM
This is great information everyone! I appreciate the help  :thankyou:
Title: Re: Question about paint prep for new black E-Coat panels
Post by: ignition1 on July 29, 2023, 06:35:03 PM
Most shops I have talked to remove the E-Coat where possible with 80 grit or sand blasting, then DTM epoxy prime as the base layer. Areas where E-Coat is thick the coating flakes off, some panels it just comes off with solvent, it is better than bare metal, but nothing I would trust under many hours of body work, paint, and buffing & polishing.