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Title: cam selection
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 20, 2019, 03:33:20 PM
Can you tell me what cam to go with on an original 440 with stock heads and intake? Cam is the only thing non original on the engine. Planning to use the factory carter (fresh rebuild). Engine shop is suggesting hydraulic roller cam and porting. (their port guy is older and very recommended locally). My interest is in trying to stay stock yet to pick up 40-70 hp over factory spec. Engine is there but not apart yet so there's time.
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 20, 2019, 04:05:13 PM
So you are using exhaust manifolds ?
I have made huge gains porting but I use a swirl design to increase efficiency without just making the ports a whole lot bigger
This one would be an excellent choice https://www.jegs.com/i/Lunati/638/10230702/10002/-1
it will make power everywhere & works well with stock exhaust manifolds
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 20, 2019, 05:33:12 PM
Yes, stock exhaust manifolds. I understand this limits me, but I want this pristine RT to pop as original when the hood is lifted. My gear head days are long behind me, but I want this car to answer when called.
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: dodj on October 20, 2019, 05:44:27 PM
 I like the lunati 703LK  in my 440.
Recommended by CP.
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: RUNCHARGER on October 20, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
That Lunati works well.
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 21, 2019, 08:34:48 PM
You could run the 703 cam for sure But with stock manifolds I suggest custom grinding it with a 112* LSA , it will work a lot better with stock manifolds this way
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 23, 2019, 05:26:13 AM
Shared the Voodoo info with my machine shop and got the following reply: "we've had some severe issues with Lunati Voodoo cams
had 2 different  engines on dyno with customer supplied Voodoo cams that would not rpm past 4800, they would spit and sputter badly
bought new cams from Custom Cams problem fixed
I'm sure there are guys that have had no issues, but we have so that's my take on Voodoo stuff irregardless of the specs
Mike"
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 23, 2019, 05:32:12 AM
LOL I have only been using VooDoo cams for 20 years & A number of people on this site are running them from my recommendation with improvement in performance !!
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 23, 2019, 05:48:21 AM
Not in disagreement because I'm not studied in cams. There's still time. Have you heard anything bad about Custom Cams?
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: dodj on October 23, 2019, 05:56:58 AM
Quote from: 7E-Bodies on October 23, 2019, 05:48:21 AM
Have you heard anything bad about Custom Cams?
I have never heard of a camshaft company called Custom Cams. Did a google search and nothing showed up on the first two pages.
Is it a local company?
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: RUNCHARGER on October 23, 2019, 06:58:57 AM
This Lunati lives at 5500 through mud pits and everything else. Of course it has the correct valve springs in it. No street car takes the abuse this 440 does.
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: 72 Challenger on October 23, 2019, 07:04:33 AM
I love lunati products and have used several for small block applications. I don't remember the specs but Chryco suggested them for both my 318 and 360 when we were still on that "Other site"
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 23, 2019, 11:51:37 AM
Reply from the shop owner:  "They are located in Mississippi. Was started by Terry Kirk and his son Tommy. Terry worked for Lunati several years ago. I knew him since his Lunati days. Terry has since passed away.
They primarily sell to engine shops and race teams. All cams are made to order. Their cams are ground on house, not outsourced. They do not have shelf grinds. Do a lot of private label, proprietary secret grind cams.
They stay low profile to keep tire kickers away. No web page but I think they do have a Facebook page.
He keeps big block Mopar cam cores in stock.
Anyway that's the short story."
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: Cuda Cody on October 23, 2019, 12:55:20 PM
I feel stock engines do best with a Mr. Six Pack cam.  Bob has a great grind.
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 23, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
I have made incredible power using Lunati lobes in custom grind situations , the off the shelf grinds work well also as many here can tell you from personal experience .
I like to have the valves open & close fast this allows more flow for the same duration , Mopars can take advantage of this as they have a wider lifter .
One of the main keys to making good power using stock manifolds is using a wider LSA , with headers the vacuum created with the exhaust pulse leaving will pull in intake A/F mix  , with manifolds you do not create the vacuum so you need less overlap where both valves are open at the same time . So 112-114 LSA works well with manifolds , 110-108 works better with headers .
I used a lot of Ultradyne cam grinds in the past as they seemed to maximize the lift / duration but they are long gone now .
Your call , You askd  :bigthumb:
Title: Re: cam selection
Post by: 7E-Bodies on October 23, 2019, 04:11:54 PM
Indeed I did ask and you gave me just what I was after. An awakening and to all of the factors I need to be considering. Thank you. You've poured it out here in a way that makes sense to a mechanically inclined guy with very little cam science history. The good thing here is my engine shop is ran by 3 older guys and they don't move fast. One is famous in downstate Illinois for his porting skills with months of backlog. That being said, I have a ton of time.