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Title: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 02, 2020, 07:15:24 PM
Has anybody bought these side scoops ? https://www.ebay.ca/itm/71-Challenger-Side-Scoops-Louvers-70-71-72-73-74-NEW-100203/333773071723?fits=Year%3A1971%7CModel%3AChallenger&hash=item4db66ce56b:g:GdIAAOSwwO9fnc4j

Any Reviews ?
Or does anybody have a set of originals for sale ?
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Cudino on December 02, 2020, 08:06:37 PM
I bought a pair of those Alan, I think they are from a place called Josh's Muscle Car Parts.  I have a restomod I'm in process of building and these will go on that car.  I test fit them and they seem OK.  However, I'm nervous about how well the studs will stay in place over time.  The studs are just mounted to small mounds of built-up fiberglass, as you can see in the EBay ad.  I think you can get them cheaper by buying direct, but recently I couldn't get anyone to answer at that store.

Plus, I had a hiccup with Josh's.  I bought this pair 5+ years ago, but when I finally got around to paint them I realized they had sent me two Rights.  Ugh.  That's why I tried to call them recently, but no luck.  So instead of buying another set of these, a few months ago I bought a different set, via Amazon from some place called Southern Auto Parts.  This set was a little more expensive but seems much sturdier, and the backside looks thicker and more solid rather than those fiberglass mounds for stud mounting like in your ad.  I test fit these new ones as well and they fit roughly the same as Josh's. Now I have 3 Rights and 1 Left to choose from, but unless something happens I'm actually planning on using the sturdier pair.

- Wade
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: 71vert340 on December 02, 2020, 09:02:37 PM
My son put a set of the fiberglass scoops on his 71 back in 2004. They're holding up well. I had my doubts but no problems yet.
Terry
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Marty on December 02, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
I put a set on my 1971 about a year or so ago. I didn't use the drill pattern supplied though. I found the OEM measurements online and then drilled the quarter. I don't recall why I didn't use their pattern at the moment but I'm sure there was a reason or I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of looking. They were very good reproductions and fit just fine. Couldn't tell you who I got them from either.
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Skdmark on December 02, 2020, 11:12:02 PM
Originals
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-dodge-challenger-R-T-side-scoops-scoop-quarter-panel-scoop-mopar/373373775455?hash=item56eecfae5f:g:ORsAAOSwKFhfxlxJ
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: mccannix on December 03, 2020, 05:04:49 AM
Those originals on ebay are a good buy....
Offer $250.00 and I bet you are in.
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 03, 2020, 05:48:23 AM
Quote from: mccannix on December 03, 2020, 05:04:49 AM
Those originals on ebay are a good buy....
Offer $250.00 and I bet you are in.

Hate to waste originals on a "resto-mod" type car  :alan2cents:

@69BFan (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/69bfan_401) are the ones sold by Josh a DCS product ? Do you stock these ?
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Cudino on December 03, 2020, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: Marty on December 02, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
I put a set on my 1971 about a year or so ago. I didn't use the drill pattern supplied though. I found the OEM measurements online and then drilled the quarter. I don't recall why I didn't use their pattern at the moment but I'm sure there was a reason or I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of looking. They were very good reproductions and fit just fine. Couldn't tell you who I got them from either.
I tried to use that paper template that came with the set I got from Josh's, but it only got me "in the neighborhood" and wasn't much help.  However, my quarters have been replaced so in fairness I'm not sure I can entirely blame the template.  Plus, in my case I had 3 different repop Righthand side scoops to choose from, and I noticed that all 3 had somewhat different stud patterns.  If you end up using repops you'll likely end up drilling/oversizing holes to match those particular scoops, that's basically what I had to do.

I think Tony's Parts was advertising some originals.

- Wade
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 03, 2020, 11:03:31 AM
DMT sells the plastic gaskets for them, They fit original scoops perfectly, so I just used them for my template  :alan2cents:

I couldn't find them on Amazon, so I'll likely wait and see if Richard has any, if not I'll give Josh a call.
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Cudino on December 03, 2020, 01:09:19 PM
Here's a link to the ones I bought recently from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0784X8JV1/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
These didn't come with the black hard plastic gaskets, but the set I got years ago from Josh's had them (or maybe I ordered them separately, I don't remember).  I'm still debating whether to install these gaskets or not, it seems like this hard plastic gasket will look very visible around the scoop.

All 4 of my scoops are actually at the painters shop now, but I'm picking them up tomorrow, so this weekend I can send you pictures of the backsides of both versions if you want.

- Wade
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 03, 2020, 01:36:02 PM
Thanks for the Amazon link Wade :bigthumb: Looks like they are no longer available on your .com and they were never available on our .ca, I find that a lot with stuff... :crying:

Post some pictures next week if you can...I'm not buying anything just yet.. :drinkingbud:
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Marty on December 03, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Cudino on December 03, 2020, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: Marty on December 02, 2020, 10:53:56 PM
I put a set on my 1971 about a year or so ago. I didn't use the drill pattern supplied though. I found the OEM measurements online and then drilled the quarter. I don't recall why I didn't use their pattern at the moment but I'm sure there was a reason or I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of looking. They were very good reproductions and fit just fine. Couldn't tell you who I got them from either.
I tried to use that paper template that came with the set I got from Josh's, but it only got me "in the neighborhood" and wasn't much help.  However, my quarters have been replaced so in fairness I'm not sure I can entirely blame the template.  Plus, in my case I had 3 different repop Righthand side scoops to choose from, and I noticed that all 3 had somewhat different stud patterns.  If you end up using repops you'll likely end up drilling/oversizing holes to match those particular scoops, that's basically what I had to do.

I think Tony's Parts was advertising some originals.

- Wade

You triggered something. You're right. The studs didn't match the locations on the template. My Challenger had original sheet metal so your replacement quarters were not the issue.
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Cudino on December 04, 2020, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: anlauto on December 03, 2020, 01:36:02 PM
Thanks for the Amazon link Wade :bigthumb: Looks like they are no longer available on your .com and they were never available on our .ca, I find that a lot with stuff... :crying:

Post some pictures next week if you can...I'm not buying anything just yet.. :drinkingbud:
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) Here's a couple pictures of the 2 different repop scoops I bought.  The one from Josh's has the visible fiberglass on the backside and, as you can see in my side view pic, is much thinner.  The other one is quite a bit thicker and weighs about twice as much.  I probably would have been happy with the ones from Josh, but once I held both in my hands the sturdier one just feels better.

- Wade
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 04, 2020, 06:44:37 PM
So we just need to find out who makes those ones ?
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Cudino on December 04, 2020, 06:54:07 PM
Oh, interesting, I just tried my Amazon link again and they now show these scoops are back in stock...

- Wade
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 04, 2020, 07:01:19 PM
Not when I click on it... :haha: :haha: :haha:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0784X8JV1/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Must be a Canadian thing... :crying:
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Cudino on December 04, 2020, 07:19:48 PM
Hmm, strange.  Yesterday Amazon did show me these were out of stock, but now it says delivery in about a week, with a price of $134.75 USD.  That's about $15 more than the ones from Josh's.  Well, if you're interested in these Amazon ones but you can't buy them directly for some reason (Canadian embargo???), then I'd be happy to buy them for you and ship them to you.  Again, I can't advocate the longterm durability of these, or Josh's, but these just feel much sturdier so that's the set I'm planning to use myself.

- Wade
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 04, 2020, 07:58:05 PM
Here's something odd...You said the Seller on Amazon was "Southern Car Parts"....When I Google them, it comes up as side scoops for the "new" Challengers  :dunno:
https://www.southerncarparts.com/2008-2017-challenger-quarter-scoops.html
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Cudino on December 04, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
it might be 2 different companies, Southern Car Parts vs. Southern Car Parts .COM?  Not sure.  By the way, at the bottom of the Amazon description for the ones I bought it says they are made of hard rubber.

- Wade
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Shoooter on December 05, 2020, 11:20:44 AM
I have a set. No idea of manufacturer. 
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: MoparCarGuy on December 05, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
This photo might help for placement. The second photo is an original set showing the factory studs.


Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 05, 2020, 12:37:56 PM
Quote from: Shoooter on December 05, 2020, 11:20:44 AM
I have a set. No idea of manufacturer.

PM Sent
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on December 06, 2020, 01:46:59 PM
Ended up buy the "black" ones from YearOne with a 30% off code paid $135USD plus shipping.. :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: Jay Bee on December 06, 2020, 02:59:02 PM
Good timing, the Canadian dollar has been getting better the last few days.
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: xx88man on December 07, 2020, 06:11:17 AM
Quote from: anlauto on December 06, 2020, 01:46:59 PM
Ended up buy the "black" ones from YearOne with a 30% off code paid $135USD plus shipping.. :twothumbsup:

Please let us know what the quality is like when you get them Alan. Thanks.    :cheers:
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on February 01, 2021, 02:36:51 PM
Quote from: anlauto on December 06, 2020, 01:46:59 PM
Ended up buy the "black" ones from YearOne with a 30% off code paid $135USD plus shipping.. :twothumbsup:

Ordered them December 6th, and received them today Feb. 1st.  :banana:
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: anlauto on February 02, 2021, 02:24:02 PM
REVIEW: They are nice and heavy, the stud seem pretty solid. What I did find is that the studs DID NOT line up with the new DMT gaskets holes, whether the gaskets are correct or not....who knows ?

I'm mounting these on a non-RT so I'm drilling new holes, whether or not these studs would line up with factory holes....I do not know.

I think they look good and I got 30% off of them at YearOne  :dunno:
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: 71TA on October 12, 2021, 05:41:02 PM
Yep, had to be those gaskets were off :) Thanks Alan. I used a factory side scoop to reverse engineer them and then I test fit on a completely different set. They both fit well.

The fit is probably similar to the A and E body console overlays I make. They fit GREAT on factory stuff. Not so good on the reproduction stuff. But thats on the poor reverse engineering of the reproduction parts. Not me. I have stuff made for me. Many of overseas companies make stuff that "looks" good. But it's up to the company contracting the parts being made to actually check the CAD designs.
Title: Re: 1971 Challenger Side Scoops ?
Post by: jimynick on October 12, 2021, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: Cudino on December 04, 2020, 06:54:07 PM
Oh, interesting, I just tried my Amazon link again and they now show these scoops are back in stock...

- Wade

There must've been a boat that got in from China.  :Stirring: