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Title: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: YellowThumper on June 01, 2021, 02:36:10 PM
So we have a rolling FB post wondering what the production numbers were for the (unloved) 3spd stick.
Are there available numbers?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: anlauto on June 01, 2021, 02:38:48 PM
Sounds like a question for Dan @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) , but all of Galen's white books break down production into Auto, 3spd, 4spd , so what year and model were you wondering about ?
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 6bblgt on June 02, 2021, 12:22:48 AM
here is what is shown in GG's "white books" - this accounts for ~90% of production
& there are a few unknown numbers and I question a few  :thinking: like ~1/3 of '70 340 'cudas are 3-speed manual ???????

~20,000 out of ~315,000 produced in 5 years (~7%)
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 6bblgt on June 02, 2021, 01:10:35 AM
another source "WARD's Automotive Yearbook" shows: (discrepancy in '73 & '74 totals VS. GG ???)

25,895 3-speed manual transmission E-bodies out of 298,322 TOTAL PRODUCTION (~8.7%)
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: chargerdon on June 02, 2021, 04:26:04 AM
My first NEW car was a 70 Challenger 225 slant six with 3 sp manual...on floor.   Had trouble with it from day one...it would hang up between 1st and 2nd...   Dealer worked on it twice and got it to "mostly work" but would still hang up occassionally.   
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: anlauto on June 02, 2021, 04:43:56 AM
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) Cody,   Dan @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) has taken a great deal of time to produce these information charts, I noticed another one in a thread about wire wheel hub caps.... :worship:

Is there any way we can save these charts in our reference section area ? I think they are a fantastic source of information.  :drinkingbud:
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: YellowThumper on June 02, 2021, 10:09:01 PM
This info is awsome!
Unfortunately no number on the 74 318 but still get a close idea.
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 03, 2021, 03:42:02 PM
@anlauto (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/anlauto_19) Dan has bailed me out countless times, so I'd agree. It's almost like we need a section for all of his work to be saved. If it weren't for @6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211) I would never have gotten through finding the right vinyl top for my car (amongst many other items he's helped me with).
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 03, 2021, 03:46:44 PM
If anyone comes up with a number for how many should still be on the road, subtract 1 from the 1971's...

318/3 speed manual

Young + Stupid = Catastrophe
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: MoparLeo on June 03, 2021, 08:41:33 PM
I believe that the 3 speed manual was the standard transmission that factory specified for all except the special package cars. Just that more people paid extra for the Torqueflite trans.
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 6bblgt on June 03, 2021, 09:30:55 PM
to be correct: the 3-speed manual transmission was STANDARD across the board in an E-body 1970-1974

BH - Barracuda
BP - Gran Coupe
BS - 'cuda
JH - Challenger (including SE)
JS - Challenger R/T (including SE)

ordering a 383 2bbl (727 ONLY), 440HP, 440 6bbl, HEMI or "TRANS AM" package car (A53) required the additional purchase of an OPTIONAL automatic (727) or 4-speed manual (PP833) transmission
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: Huskidrive on June 04, 2021, 07:00:24 AM
My JS23NOB came with a 3 speed manual. It didn't last long. It kept jumping out of gear when decelerating and my friend had a 4 speed in his garage and so now it's a 4 speed. Never looked back......
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: Bpret on June 04, 2021, 06:10:32 PM
3spd is still in mine works good but first gear sounds like an old Jeep
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: YellowThumper on June 06, 2021, 07:31:25 PM
Quote from: Bpret on June 04, 2021, 06:10:32 PM
3spd is still in mine works good but first gear sounds like an old Jeep
Yea mine sounded that way too. This was in 84 when I swapped it to the 4spd.
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: Bpret on June 07, 2021, 02:57:24 AM
Did you swap it out because of the noise? Did it improve the ride of the car. I have thought about swapping it but it's what makes it so unusual and it's all numbers matching.
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 7E-Bodies on June 07, 2021, 04:23:49 AM
@Bpret (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/bpret_528) not many left that can boast the numbers. I'd protect that, myself.
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 1ownr on June 07, 2021, 04:57:56 AM
Still have our 383 3spd. Getting restored after sitting for 30+ yrs

Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: Bpret on June 07, 2021, 02:12:45 PM
So far that is why it's still in there. The car is very original but very basic 3 options rally dash, am radio and vitamin c paint. Power nothing☹️
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: Bpret on June 07, 2021, 02:17:33 PM
1 owner your 71 is even more rare than my 70 going by the numbers posted here you have a 1 of 1 car if I read that right. Or is it 8.  :notsure: Is your 3spd noisy in first gear?
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 1ownr on June 07, 2021, 02:53:55 PM
I've always looked at it from the 1 of 8. Would have to know info on all 8 to say anything else.  I don't recall if 1st gear was noisy or not, have to wait until resto is done before I can drive it again.

judy
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: anlauto on June 07, 2021, 04:46:53 PM
Yea, I think with the option Judy's 71 has...it's pretty darn safe to say it's one of one  :worship:  Can't wait to see it finished  :drooling:
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: YellowThumper on June 08, 2021, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: Bpret on June 07, 2021, 02:57:24 AM
Did you swap it out because of the noise? Did it improve the ride of the car. I have thought about swapping it but it's what makes it so unusual and it's all numbers matching.
Noise was the driving factor for change.
4 spd was part of upgrades I did back to it in 84.
Also added some X heads to the 318.
Eventually moved up to 360 with same heads.
Now all 360 with turbo plans.
Still "storing" the 3spd and shifter.
Title: Re: Manual 3 speed production numbers?
Post by: 70 Top Banana on June 25, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
So, having spent most of my career at Chrysler, I would bet a majority of the 3 speed cars were sales bank cars and not customer or dealer orders. Most people (especially guys) back then would prefer a 4 speed over a 3 speed. Most women would prefer an automatic and some guys especially if they were in heavy traffic cities. Most dealers want cars that will sell quickly and they can make a higher gross on. That would not necessarily have been 3 speed cars