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Title: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 13, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
I'm using some sem paint for all my interior pieces but I'm a little undecided about the steering wheel.

Is sem black Landau paint strong enough to be sprayed on the steering wheel and last OR should I just let this go and be happy with what I got?
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Burdar on June 13, 2017, 12:21:32 PM
How do you drive the car?  One of my earliest memories is riding along with my dad and watching him drive with one finger in the spokes.  If that's how you drive, the SEM will last a long time.  If your hand is on the wheel, it will need to be touched up on occasion. If the grain is still intact and the wheel is a uniform color, I would just leave it.

I sprayed mine because there was one section that had a scratch in it.  If you spray it with a matte clear, it will last longer then just the Landau Black by itself. :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on June 13, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
If it's not to bad, I would just leave it.  The paint needed to hold up and a steering wheel (with all the touching from your hands) will need to be stronger then a single part paint.   :alan2cents:  I love SEM paint, but there's only so much a single part paint can hold up to.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Shane Kelley on June 13, 2017, 12:50:30 PM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 13, 2017, 01:12:02 PM
Thanks.  I'll just live with it as it looks decent.

As for the steering column I'm assuming my first picture marked with blue tape is only area that's exposed to the engine bay?  Correct?

I'm obviously not doing a factory restoration so I was thinking of just using glossy black paint on as many parts as I can because it seems to clean up best. 

As for picture number 2 I'm assuming the steering column lower shaft is typically left natural?  Correct?  If so, I'll leave natural.

Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on June 13, 2017, 01:16:16 PM
The couple on the end I think should be black and I think they painted it on the column so the shaft would get some black paint over it.  If you don't paint it black I would put a matte clear on it so it doesn't rust on you over time.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 13, 2017, 01:38:31 PM
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1)

Thanks for the super quick replies.

Since this is a driver and I plan to keep the car for a very long time I'm thinking I should just paint the whole thing glossy black?

As for the column collar inside the interior I was going to use sem trim paint for that.

I don't want to repaint anything anytime soon.  Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Shane Kelley on June 13, 2017, 01:53:43 PM
This is mine. Not 100% correct but pretty close. Maybe you can get some ideas for yours from these pics to help you decide what you might like.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 13, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
Thanks I have some rally silver from Eastwood that I'll use for the bottom shaft.  Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 13, 2017, 03:38:59 PM
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1)

I know I'm starting to get distracted here but I have a question for you.  For my e-brake and Brake assembly, am I correct to assume the only part that really shows is the actual pedal?

I'm a very uptight person so this resto is kind of hard for me because I just want to fix everything perfectly but I don't have time. 

Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Burdar on June 13, 2017, 05:51:38 PM
Steering columns where painted with a suede paint in the early years. It had a slight texture to it. I think they did away with that by 73. My column didn't show any texture. I used SEM Trim black to repainted it. The attaching plate on the bottom and the attaching bracket on the upper end should be gloss black. The coupler and shaft were typically painted black.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Burdar on June 13, 2017, 06:07:36 PM
The brake pedal was sprayed black on the bottom. The upper part was left bare. 4-speed pedals have a distinct paint line. The auto brake pedal just fades from black to bare metal.

You don't have to go crazy with all the other parts but I wouldn't leave them grungy looking. Just buy a couple gallons of EvapoRust and soak that e-brake mechanism. It will get all the rust off of it and you won't have to lift a finger.

You can spray a lot of the small brackets black, however it can easily start looking like you took a black spray bomb to the entire car. That will look cheap IMO. Try some different paint finishes. Contrast between parts looks better. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on June 13, 2017, 07:27:50 PM
Yes, normally you only see the lower section of the pedal. 
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 29, 2017, 11:11:34 AM
So I'm debating whether or not I should paint my seat belt buckles and covers?

I have everything cleaned up the best I can with sem soap.  I have some black Laundo sem paint...so what do you think?

The covers for the front seat belts are almost like a rubberized surface.  I'm not sure if sem Paint is the best idea. Maybe I should just be content and move on?

The actual seat belt buckle looks pretty good but again I'm pretty uptight so I was thinking I should just paint it but maybe I should leave this alone too?

Any advice?

Thanks

Neil
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 29, 2017, 11:16:23 AM
Sorry I have more questions. Just to confirm it's okay to use the plastic adhesion promoter and sem paint on trim such as the ones in this picture?

I was also planning to use it on the door panels, kick panels, console, steering wheel cover and seat trim shown in the pictures.  I was just reading that SEM adhesion promoter cannot be used on ABS plastic so I wasn't certain.

Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on June 29, 2017, 11:21:24 AM
Clean, clean and more clean.  That is the real ticket to getting paint to work well.  I clean my stuff with a high alkaline dish soap like Dawn but I think SEM makes a soap too.  Wash and blow dry everything really well.  Then do not touch it with your bare hands.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 29, 2017, 11:37:14 AM
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1)

Thanks for your advice. As for all the items I included in my photos and description, am I  my good to go on painting them?

I take it once you have them clean you just handle them with gloves to avoid getting oil on the parts?  Thanks

Neil
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: JS29 on June 29, 2017, 12:34:18 PM
I think I would go with vinyl paint, A parts store that mixes paint can mix some up and put it in A rattle can if they don't already have it on the shelf.  :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Burdar on June 29, 2017, 12:45:08 PM
You're good to paint all that stuff with the Landau black.  I washed mine four times just to make sure it was clean.  The key to making the Landau look "not painted" is to spray multiple light coats.  When done right, you can't tell it's painted.

I painted my seat belt covers.  They were originally a textured surface.  I sprayed them with a rustoleum textured paint after spraying them with adhesion promoter.  They took forever to dry though.  They stayed tacky for a very long time. It might just be a good idea to clean them and leave well enough alone.

Top not painted...bottom painted with SEM Landau black
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi137.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq229%2Fburdar%2F73%2520Challenger%2Fchallenger%2FP1010093-1.jpg&hash=fa2287f972ccdd9bd2fd33f55d28e5cfe1e9138b) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/burdar/media/73%20Challenger/challenger/P1010093-1.jpg.html)

original faded plastic kick panels
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi137.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq229%2Fburdar%2F73%2520Challenger%2Fchallenger%2FP1010097-1.jpg&hash=047c5769e835e049e132c906fdcdaad890e9b337) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/burdar/media/73%20Challenger/challenger/P1010097-1.jpg.html)

after being painted with Landau black
(https://forum.e-bodies.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi137.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq229%2Fburdar%2F73%2520Challenger%2Fchallenger%2FP1010098-1.jpg&hash=54769a7ef318052a96b7b2ef3f07cb202e38ca9d) (http://s137.photobucket.com/user/burdar/media/73%20Challenger/challenger/P1010098-1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 29, 2017, 12:56:13 PM
Thanks guys. I'm going to go and wash everything a couple more times as I only washed the pieces thoroughly once.  I'll use gloves as I heard that adhesion promoter will cling to oil.

Thanks again.

Neil
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 30, 2017, 07:44:38 AM
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1) @Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)

It's kind of hard to see these interior glass moldings in the picture,but could one of you chime in...sem black trim or seem black Landau?

Obviously they are metal but they kind of have a textured finish so I wasn't certain.

Thank you!

Neil
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on June 30, 2017, 07:57:52 AM
Both will work....  SEM Black Landua on plastic or rubber parts and the SEM Trim black on the metal parts is the norm.  So I would use Trim Black if using rattle car to paint those interior metal trim parts.  But really, they both look really good and will work.

I paint mine with a custom mix automotive paint that I made (over black epoxy).  But it's way overkill for an interior piece.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 30, 2017, 08:01:11 AM
 :bradsthumb: Cody!
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Burdar on June 30, 2017, 08:22:57 AM
 :iagree:  Landau on plastic and Trim Black on metal/rubber and exterior stuff.  They are really close in color.  The Trim Black is designed for exterior use. 
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on June 30, 2017, 09:22:27 PM
The trim paint turned out excellent. As for the panels with the black Landau I did run into some issues with the rattle can spattering.  But I was able to make it happen.

I did get it to look pretty good even though I do see imperfections here and there. So my question is can I use some 600 grit and try to lightly clean up areas or should I just be content with what I got?  I've never used this paint before.

Thanks

Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Burdar on July 01, 2017, 05:41:46 PM
I've tried fixing small imperfections before only to make the issue worse. Then you end up trying to redo the part three times because something else happens. I haven't seen the issue so I can't say what I'd do for sure.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on July 01, 2017, 05:55:18 PM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)

All attached a photo of the imperfection.  I think I'm just going to live with it because it turned out really good overall.

Had a lot of spattering so here and there it doesn't look perfect but I really am happy overall.

I have kids so I'm thinking I'll spray the low Lustre clear over everything cuz I did it on the kick panels and it turned out really good. It's a little hard to lay even, but as long as you don't get too close it ends up looking really good once it dries.

Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on July 01, 2017, 06:03:46 PM
I used the sem prep soap and my steering wheel literally looks brand new.

The more I think about it I'm not going to mess with the imperfections cuz I'm worried that I will have problems like you did Darren which is not fun.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to try that clear though because it will wipe up so easily.

Thanks again for everything.

Neil
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: LinceCuda on July 01, 2017, 06:11:50 PM
Quote from: Shane Kelley on June 13, 2017, 01:53:43 PM
This is mine. Not 100% correct but pretty close. Maybe you can get some ideas for yours from these pics to help you decide what you might like.

Very nice job, looks great. :perfect10:
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on July 01, 2017, 06:29:41 PM
Looks good.  Just leave it.   :alan2cents:
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Burdar on July 01, 2017, 07:53:28 PM
I thought you were talking about imperfections in the painting process. That part of it looks great. The issue is the scratches in the plastic panels. The scratches look deep. The plastic is raised on either side of the scratch. That's why they are so visible. In this situation, you could lightly sand them just to smooth out the scratch. That would make them less visible. That's what I had to do with one of my kick panels. When I was done, the scratches basically disappeared. It up yo you though. It looks like the scratches are at the bottom of the door panel. They won't be that noticeable.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on August 13, 2017, 02:10:09 PM
@Burdar (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/burdar_173)

Any idea if 1973 barracudas had a lock out plate towards the end of the steering column?  Just watched Cody's videos on this site and and I dont have that part.

Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on August 13, 2017, 02:17:51 PM
Only 1970 got the lock out tube arm if you were a floor shift column.  1971 and up do not have the lock out tube arm on the floor shift columns.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on August 13, 2017, 02:30:49 PM
Thanks Cody.  Really appreciate the help.

I bought this piece of foam to keep dust and heat out of the column.  Should I just tuck it up in there?  I can tuck it more, I just started it to show you.

Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on August 13, 2017, 02:33:56 PM
Dust boot goes above the lower bearing.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: nsmall on August 13, 2017, 02:39:49 PM
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1)

Sorry so I'm not getting it.

Should I slide the plastic piece out that I'm pointing to and then put the Dust boot in the lower steering column area and then put the plastic piece back in?

Thanks
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Cuda Cody on August 13, 2017, 03:16:37 PM
Yes, the dust boot goes inside the column above the bearing.  But since you are doing a later column there might be some small difference that I'm not aware of yet.  I've not a seen a dust boot like that either.  But it should work perfectly.
Title: Re: Paint steering wheel?
Post by: Burdar on August 13, 2017, 04:29:07 PM
Yes, shove the foam in and then put the plastic back on.