"I’m considering sell my 1970 Cuda 440-6. I have the motor (1968 HP), complete carbs and both are at the rebuild shop. I have everything for the except the Dana 60 ( I have a 8 3/4). Body is great and in black primer. $42,000 obo"
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1537662559842992/permalink/3277772285832002/?sale_post_id=3277772285832002
Is that a replacement fendertag? or are my untrained eyes deceiving me?
Your eyes aren't deceiving you - that tag is as fake as a $3 Toonie (or $3 bill for our American friends)
Quote from: YYZ on May 26, 2022, 03:01:43 PM
Your eyes aren't deceiving you - that tag is as fake as a $3 Toonie (or $3 bill for our American friends)
:bricks:
Wow!
Of course the ad has been pulled. I bet it sold to someone who doesn't know.
I wonder if the car retains a build sheet? I bet it doesn't.
Would have liked to see the vin tag. It might be an actual v0b car.
Still worth a shiny penny ifn it is a V.
dash pad & BS23V0B157100 vin tag ONLY sold on eBay 10/2012 :crazytalk:
Well, with data like an Ebay sale of vin tag to confirm, we know everything is fake.
How did they do on creating a fender tag?
The two immediate giveaways on the tag are:
1. Poor spacing and alignment of the characters
2. Codes are listed in alphabetical order once you're past the basic vehicle info. You'd never have J25 before A62, nor would A34 appear after and on a separate line.
TX9 is wrong, should be V1X. If a black vinyl top anyway.
Before we knew this car to be a fraud, we reached out to the seller to learn more. He said the cowl and the radiator support had rust and have already been replaced. Now I see the real reason why those body numbers are gone.
I guess some people will do anything for money. I wouldn't be able to sleep if I sold that to someone. Whoever sold the dash and VIN tag is no angel either.
Let's not help the scumbags out there get any better at making fakes :slapme5:
Other than that....looks like a solid shell to build....maybe a resto-mod or something ?
Quote from: anlauto on May 27, 2022, 05:42:55 AM
Other than that....looks like a solid shell to build....maybe a resto-mod or something ?
Expensive shell for a resto-mod. This is sad.
Quote from: kdcarman on May 27, 2022, 05:50:56 AM
Quote from: anlauto on May 27, 2022, 05:42:55 AM
Other than that....looks like a solid shell to build....maybe a resto-mod or something ?
Expensive shell for a resto-mod. This is sad.
Okay, other than the tag issues and the high price.... :haha:
...but buy the time you buy a rusty shell and do all the rust repair :dunno:
When do you want me to start your AAR resto-mod ? :smile:
I agree with you alan. Still a good car to do something with. Price is probably a little high but going and looking at the car might prove that it is in decent shape and ready for the build.
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 27, 2022, 06:37:09 AM
I agree with you alan. Still a good car to do something with. Price is probably a little high but going and looking at the car might prove that it is in decent shape and ready for the build.
But, in the end, you end up with a car that's a fake and difficult to sell when you want to move on from it. I think it would be best to just stay away.
Quote from: DeathProofCuda on May 26, 2022, 11:10:17 PM
Let's not help the scumbags out there get any better at making fakes :slapme5:
There are many, many more tells which have not been discussed here.
It is a duty to the hobby to help enthusiasts spot obvious fakes or at least areas of question.
The Fed prints guides on how to identify counterfeit bills, and I'm sure that the number of people saved from fraudulent money far outweighs the number of competent counterfeiters.
It has taken me years to spot a fake. No one wants to point out the wrongs on the forums. I've argued that is wrong for a long time and asked for folks to say what's wrong. Otherwise,I'm sure I would have been taken already.
Information is best to be understood rather than to be hidden.
Quote from: Cuda_mark on May 27, 2022, 06:52:50 AM
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 27, 2022, 06:37:09 AM
I agree with you alan. Still a good car to do something with. Price is probably a little high but going and looking at the car might prove that it is in decent shape and ready for the build.
But, in the end, you end up with a car that's a fake and difficult to sell when you want to move on from it. I think it would be best to just stay away.
There's an ass for every seat...You could get a State issued VIN if you were worried about it I'm sure :dunno:
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on May 26, 2022, 08:08:57 PM
Before we knew this car to be a fraud, we reached out to the seller to learn more. He said the cowl and the radiator support had rust and have already been replaced. Now I see the real reason why those body numbers are gone.
That's outright deceit. Unless they claim they received the car that way from some undisclosed person.
This is why fake cars get sold through auctions and dealers... it's a way to wash their nefarious histories clean.
Quote from: autoxcuda on May 27, 2022, 04:37:39 PM
Quote from: 70 Challenger Lover on May 26, 2022, 08:08:57 PM
Before we knew this car to be a fraud, we reached out to the seller to learn more. He said the cowl and the radiator support had rust and have already been replaced. Now I see the real reason why those body numbers are gone.
That's outright deceit. Unless they claim they received the car that way from some undisclosed person.
This is why fake cars get sold through auctions and dealers... it's a way to wash their nefarious histories clean.
I am sure he is trying to defraud rather than some victim innocently selling off a project he bought not knowing the history. According to my buddy who actually spoke with the seller, the car once belonged to his dad and he's decided to sell it to raise money for a home purchase.
Had the seller said he bought the project tag and all in this condition with the body panel work already done, then maybe he bought it not knowing but to say the car was his dads and he personally paid a shop to replace these panels is BS since we know the VIN plate was on eBay.
Supposedly the car comes with a shaker set up, a rebuilt 440, six pack carb set up, four speed, Dana rear end, etc. I agree with Alan that what he has there has significant value. Maybe not 38k but a lot nonetheless.