V Code Gran Coupe - that's something you don't see every day....
According to the VIN information given, it's a Cuda.....likely had the leather interior option :dunno:
Obviously a modified car with little details or revealing photos. The seats for example do not look like they would readily accept factory covers.
I asked for them to post a fender tag photo as it would answer many questions. Someone involved with the car must know something about Mopars as they have said the engine is numbers matching. Or is it really? Why not post a photo of the stamping to provide some support?
Is the ad crafted by someone that has knowledge, or someone that has very little?
Either way there is a lot of questions raised in my mind that should be answered with very little effort.
I have asked several times for a photo of the Fender Tag to be posted or sent to me. The seller has responded but has not sent or posted a photo. He claims to be unable to load any more photos.
As to the no reserve nature of the listing he seems to be fishing for someone to make a high offer. seems to think the car is worth $150,000.00
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But isn't this a 'no reserve ' eBay listing?
Does that not mean it will sell to the highest bidder regardless of price? Or is this just a fishing expedition?
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I dont know much about the car and ebay. Really dont care if it sells. It belongs to the family trust. Its a 150k car, and its been in the family for generations. Thank you so kindly for your interest. :)
They will pull the listing off when there is 1 or 2 days left.150k and the pictures show no details of the car.
I have also asked multiple times for information about the car. Tag, build sheet, window sticker, any information to no avail.
Ahem overhead console??? WTF
Quote from: anlauto on May 28, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
According to the VIN information given, it's a Cuda.....likely had the leather interior option :dunno:
Quote from: HP_Cuda on May 30, 2022, 12:01:42 PM
Ahem overhead console??? WTF
Quote from: anlauto on May 28, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
According to the VIN information given, it's a Cuda.....likely had the leather interior option :dunno:
Overhead console was part of the leather seat package on Cudas in 1970
Ok I'll bite where's the code for the leather option?
Quote from: anlauto on May 30, 2022, 01:58:20 PM
Quote from: HP_Cuda on May 30, 2022, 12:01:42 PM
Ahem overhead console??? WTF
Quote from: anlauto on May 28, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
According to the VIN information given, it's a Cuda.....likely had the leather interior option :dunno:
Overhead console was part of the leather seat package on Cudas in 1970
In 1970 the interior code is on the fender tag, it's SRX9 for black leather... I don't think we've seen the tag for this car, but if it's a Cuda with an overhead console, then it was likely order with leather seats.
The car is no longer available through ebay. Here is the listing.
NO RESERVE 1970 Real Cuda, V code 6 Pack Original Engine Car. This car was fully restored less than a year ago including rebuild of engine. Runs and Drives perfect and everything works with very low original miles. This car has been in the family and passed down from Generation to Generation. The car has extreme power LIKE IVE EVER SEEN, and doesnt have one drop of any leak any where. Beautiful inside and out. Our family member passed and we were left with this amazing car. These cars are selling right here on ebay for $150k. We re just having to part the winnings throughout the family, so whatever it sells for, is what it is. No Reserve. The car would only need two things to make it perfect to be in the high numbers; a shaker hood that they sell online for $660.00 and the original covers for the seats, which are $680.00 online aswell.
More pictures upon request, im sorry if pictures are not the best, but I have a flip phone still and they only allow certain of number of pictures on here. thank you.
Full payment due upon 7 days of auction closing. I reserve the right to sell local thanks.
On May-24-22 at 22:34:56 PDT, seller added the following information:
California Car all of its Life. Clean California Title.
On May-24-22 at 22:38:15 PDT, seller added the following information:
440 Engine ofcourse
On May-26-22 at 14:01:11 PDT, seller added the following information:
Ive been asked same question 4 times.:) Yes, THIS IS THE REAL DEAL. This is a BS23V vin car, Meaning a 440 6-pack car from the factory. Only a limited amount of these were made in 1970, Hence the value. Thank you for your interest.
On May-26-22 at 22:58:49 PDT, seller added the following information:
I forgot to mention, many people have asked aswell, this Cuda is an automatic car. thank you
The seller had contacted me asking to speak directly for me to make an offer as he had someone else interested. I didn't agree as I had asked several times for a fender tag photo to be posted or sent to me.
This seller was fishing and I wasn't taking his bait. The car needs a ton of money and he would not provide the simplest information.
Hope whoever he sucked in knows what they are doing.
Maybe someone is buying it for what it is, and how it looks now, and could care less about numbers and options...they might just think its a "cool car" :dunno:
We have to keep reminding ourselves that not everybody who loves these cars cares about tags and numbers and paperwork....they are just cool cars 8)
Isn't that the truth!
Quote from: anlauto on June 01, 2022, 05:20:36 AM
Maybe someone is buying it for what it is, and how it looks now, and could care less about numbers and options...they might just think its a "cool car" :dunno:
We have to keep reminding ourselves that not everybody who loves these cars cares about tags and numbers and paperwork....they are just cool cars 8)
When you are thinking it is a $150,000 car and claim it is a V-code car you better be prepared to back it up.
Unless of course, you are hoping to stick somebody with the car who knows nothing. A fender tag photo is not much to ask.
People keep talking how bad 'flippers' are for the hobby. They are not have as bad as the unknowing, gullible buyers who check nothing before paying outrageous prices for cars that are not what a seller claims they are.
Why do you think there is a saying such as 'there is a sucker born every day' ?
I agree, about the sellers point, if he claims the value is because of the V, then he needs to be willing to back it up....
...but my point was....There are buyers in this world where $150K is chump change, and they'll buy this car (maybe) because they think it "looks cool" not knowing even, or caring what a "V" code is.... :alan2cents: I don't think they are necessarily a "sucker" because they paid-up for their dream car...perfect example is EVERY modified, over priced car that's ever gone across an auction block...People are paying $300K for original 318 cars ? :dunno:
I look at this car as a modified car...is it a good investment to buy and return to OE stock....not likely at the price they're asking... :bigmoney:
Maybe when it sells the new buyer will come here and get an education.
well,,, if they don't then they are Ill informed.... :pokeeye:
The lack of a fender tag makes me believe this is a Grand Coupe which was attempted to be made into a V code.
Very fishy and absolutely no puns intended. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Quote from: anlauto on May 31, 2022, 02:23:06 PM
In 1970 the interior code is on the fender tag, it's SRX9 for black leather... I don't think we've seen the tag for this car, but if it's a Cuda with an overhead console, then it was likely order with leather seats.
Even without the fender tag, wouldn't the VIN be a "BP" for a Gran Coupe vs the "BS" for 'cudas? I've got a 340 'cuda with the leather interior and overhead console, and have seen a few others as well. Recently had a 'discussion' with someone telling me my car was a Gran Coupe I turned into a 'cuda. (despite the VIN and ownership since '77).
Still, this one seems pretty iffy in terms of being "a deal" unless it's set up like the buyer wants. Definitely not for the numbers correct/factory look crowd.
I agree, it's more likely an original BS23V0 cuda with leather interior, then it is a Grand Coupe that someone swapped the VIN tag on to try and fool people ??? :huh:
A red flag for me is that there is no stainless trim around the tail panel that came with the Cuda.No fish gills on the rockers.No roadlamps.
Given the 'dechromed/debadged' look, they could have removed it, the tail looks a bit unusual without either style ('cuda or GC) trim back there.
Seeing the engine shot with the green blower motor and the hood, nothing would surprise me. Still pretty clean, but it's going to need an owner looking for pre-modified. Going stock will take a few dollars.
Quote from: B5fourspeed on June 04, 2022, 08:08:38 AM
A red flag for me is that there is no stainless trim around the tail panel that came with the Cuda.No fish gills on the rockers.No roadlamps.
There's also no side marker lights, so what's the point ? It's a modified car, so anything goes. :dunno:
Alan
Without any legit info this could be a six banger for all we know....
"it's a real V code, take my word for it" :rofl: :haha:
Quote from: anlauto on June 04, 2022, 07:14:09 AM
I agree, it's more likely an original BS23V0 cuda with leather interior, then it is a Grand Coupe that someone swapped the VIN tag on to try and fool people ??? :huh:
Well since you or I don't own the car, I guess we can assume all we want.... :dunno:
I personally, assume the person selling the car is telling the truth, I have no reason not to believe this person, when he says:
"I've been asked same question 4 times.:) Yes, THIS IS THE REAL DEAL. This is a BS23V vin car, Meaning a 440 6-pack car from the factory. Only a limited amount of these were made in 1970, Hence the value. Thank you for your interest."
Kind of hard to step back from that if the VIN tag on the dash and title say anything but BS27V0 ????? :dunno:
Hey all - I was just directed to this thread! I pulled the trigger and bought the car for what it is and hoped for the best - it pulls like an absolute monster so that is good news! It is a V code car and for what I paid I am pretty happy - I took a gamble and think I did ok - I did not pay anywhere near 6 figures. The car is VERY rust free with a few minor pin holes in the trunk floor; underside and frame rails have never been touched. It does have 'glass fenders and hood, which made me nervous except the radiator support and cowl stamps have the correct VIN# stamp. I will say the red flags noted in this thread are pretty accurate and the seller was not very educated about the car or its history and his claims of it being $100k car are definitely way off the mark. However, the VIN tag and title are both the real deal BS23VB0 code, that with the sheet metal stamps on the radiator support and cowl give me some confidence it is a V code correct car. Also, I spoke to the seller on the phone and he claimed it was in the family for over 40 years, passed from the grandfather to the father and then liquidated by the grand kids :rolleyes:; the last title transfer was in 1991 to the owner I purchased it from. I believe that the previous owner, and the one that made all the modifications, was very proud of this car and not worried about originality (as many of us weren't 20 years ago when we didn't know any better).
To 6pack's point, I came here to get a bit of education prior to buying - thanks to everyone here! Considering I have seen 70 'Cudas sell for $15k-$20K that look like they have been at the bottom of a river for the past 20 years, any 440 running and rust free for $50k +/- was a deal to me. That being said, I know what I was buying and the lack of documentation will hurt the value overall. I knew that going in, and I am hoping I have tracked down the broadcast sheet through the Hamtramck Registry (thanks Barry, fingers crossed!). Looks like the car was originally black, and the headliner and console gave me a pause but they are original - whether to this car or not remains to be seen. The way the car is set up, I suspect the previous owner restored the car in the '90s (hence the stance, shaved markers etc) with a nod to drag racing.
Immediate plans are to put in original front seats and an original Rallye hood (already have them), some 15x7 Wheel Vintiques Rally wheels and get the ride height corrected. From there it will depend on if I can get my hands on the broadcast sheet. Either way I will be looking to bring it back to a more original state. The level of restoration will depend on what history I can uncover so any info and advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks all
Great, you did good. It was modded the way they did it in the 90's. Cowl and rad support prove it is ok. Put the metal back in the front and drive it.
Sounds like you're taking the right approach....good luck with the BCS search....one in a million chance...but YOU NEVER KNOW.... :fingerscrossed:
Is the broadcast sheet listed on Barry's lists?
We would like to see more pictures of the car.
Not seller type pictures! Congrats on the purchase!
Without the data tag or the broadcast sheet we will never know if it was optioned with the leather interior.
Good luck on your restoration.
Quote from: HP_Cuda on June 22, 2022, 01:12:46 PM
Without the data tag or the broadcast sheet we will never know if it was optioned with the leather interior.
Good luck on your restoration.
Not 100%.
But I would document the overhead console wiring, door ajar switch in door sill, and it's connection to the dash wiring. There's a bunch of unique stuff to that.
So IF it's all there that points the overhead console being original... Overhead console = leather interior (& maybe cloth insert seat too?)
After that, skid plate K-member is another clue.
Believe it or not the broadcast sheet turned up on Barry's list - sent him the documentation and just waiting for confirmation - :fingerscrossed:
I will post some decent pics when I get a chance - just cleaned out the garage so I have some space to work. Going to raise the front end, replace the front seats with stock ones I located and drive it until I either have the broadcast sheet or confirmation that it is not available.
There are so many nuances with these cars and I really appreciate all of the info and comments - keep 'em coming.
Go buy a lottery ticket. NOW!!
Just added massive value to your purchase.
Mine has no build sheet, but from LA, so no hope
Right?? I don't have it yet, so we will see - I am hoping to get the broadcast sheet and start bringing it back little by little over time.
autoxcuda is this the K member skid plate you are referring to? I am not familiar with the details of the skid plate - thanks
Quote from: anlauto on June 01, 2022, 05:20:36 AM
Maybe someone is buying it for what it is, and how it looks now, and could care less about numbers and options...they might just think its a "cool car" :dunno:
We have to keep reminding ourselves that not everybody who loves these cars cares about tags and numbers and paperwork....they are just cool cars 8)
My car is a BH, not BS. BUT as long as I own it its a CUDA because its my car and I'll do whatever the hell I want to do to it because its mine ! On the other hand if it was a BS, Id be scared to drive it and would be paranoid about making sure everything is correct and not really enjoy the car. Thats just the way I am. My brother has a 1976 Vette with 30,000 miles, majority were already on it when he bought it in 78. He looks at it. Whhopppee
p.s. I had it since 2014 and not one person has ever looked that the vin and told me "This isn't a Cuda !" No one cares, its just a cool car. :D
Excellent pictures :twothumbsup:
Having or not having a build sheet is no big deal. You get what you get and buy what you can afford. Most people don't turn a car they want down just because there is no built sheet. You purchased a great car enjoy it.