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Title: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: 7dcuda on October 11, 2022, 08:46:56 AM
I know this is a long shot but would anybody happen to have the big pilot bushing that fits in the crank torque converter register that's used with auto to manual conversions on 440's with A833?  I believe it's an SKF bushing part number B287 that is discontinued.  A BEARING that fits in the torque converter register is currently available but I would much rather use the bushing.  Anyone happen to have one lying around that they don't need?     Thx
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: anlauto on October 11, 2022, 09:28:41 AM
Is your crankshaft drilled for a "pilot bushing", some aren't ????

Either way, I think Brewers can help you out with what you need http://www.brewersperformance.com/  :twothumbsup:
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: 7dcuda on October 11, 2022, 09:59:08 AM
Quote from: anlauto on October 11, 2022, 09:28:41 AM
Is your crankshaft drilled for a "pilot bushing", some aren't ????

Either way, I think Brewers can help you out with what you need http://www.brewersperformance.com/  :twothumbsup:

Brewers only has the bearing type now that the bushing one is discontinued.
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: torredcuda on October 11, 2022, 10:34:12 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294238026769?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=294238026769&targetid=1645685073328&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=9002447&poi=&campaignid=16730423415&mkgroupid=135815925780&rlsatarget=pla-1645685073328&abcId=9300841&merchantid=8161224&gclid=CjwKCAjwqJSaBhBUEiwAg5W9p08jsH1LRUyqqRMscQYy9eFtW4ne1kxP7V5HSqE213Ymd-cSrjPu8xoCRpMQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: anlauto on October 11, 2022, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: 7dcuda on October 11, 2022, 09:59:08 AM
Quote from: anlauto on October 11, 2022, 09:28:41 AM
Is your crankshaft drilled for a "pilot bushing", some aren't ????

Either way, I think Brewers can help you out with what you need http://www.brewersperformance.com/  :twothumbsup:

Brewers only has the bearing type now that the bushing one is discontinued.

Wow, that's surprising for such a simple bushing  :drunk:
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: 7dcuda on October 11, 2022, 01:19:54 PM
Quote from: torredcuda on October 11, 2022, 10:34:12 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294238026769?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=294238026769&targetid=1645685073328&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=9002447&poi=&campaignid=16730423415&mkgroupid=135815925780&rlsatarget=pla-1645685073328&abcId=9300841&merchantid=8161224&gclid=CjwKCAjwqJSaBhBUEiwAg5W9p08jsH1LRUyqqRMscQYy9eFtW4ne1kxP7V5HSqE213Ymd-cSrjPu8xoCRpMQAvD_BwE

Thanks, but as stated I'm looking for the big bushing that goes in the crank torque converter register.

Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: anlauto on October 11, 2022, 01:45:02 PM
Quote from: 7dcuda on October 11, 2022, 01:19:54 PM
Quote from: torredcuda on October 11, 2022, 10:34:12 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294238026769?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=294238026769&targetid=1645685073328&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=9002447&poi=&campaignid=16730423415&mkgroupid=135815925780&rlsatarget=pla-1645685073328&abcId=9300841&merchantid=8161224&gclid=CjwKCAjwqJSaBhBUEiwAg5W9p08jsH1LRUyqqRMscQYy9eFtW4ne1kxP7V5HSqE213Ymd-cSrjPu8xoCRpMQAvD_BwE

Thanks, but as stated I'm looking for the big bushing that goes in the crank torque converter register.

You mean you're looking for something the size of a bearing but is a bushing ? Do they even make such a beast of a bushing ? I've never seen one, do you have a link or a picture ?
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: Filthy Filbert on October 11, 2022, 02:27:02 PM
Try a pilot bearing for a Dakota with the NV3500 manual.   I used one on a big block - TKO combo I did a few years back.  it fit into the hub for the torque converter snout, but had a roller bearing for the manual transmission input shaft.

1998 Dodge Dakota, 5.2 V8, NV3500 manual transmission:

I used the National part number: NATIONAL FC69907    The others are just replacement needle bearings and not the whole thing

https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,1998,dakota,5.2l+v8,1314433,transmission-manual,clutch+pilot+bearing,1964

Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: anlauto on October 11, 2022, 02:30:20 PM
He says he doesn't want a bearing but rather a solid bushing that fits in the same area  :huh:
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: 7dcuda on October 11, 2022, 02:49:16 PM
Quote from: anlauto on October 11, 2022, 02:30:20 PM
He says he doesn't want a bearing but rather a solid bushing that fits in the same area  :huh:
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Yes, yes, yes.....a Bushing, a Bushing, a Bushing.  Thought that was clear in my initial post.  This is a pic of FC69907 which is the roller bearing one.  I'm looking for the one like that that has a BUSHING in the middle instead of a bearing. 
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: HP2 on October 11, 2022, 03:49:17 PM
Quote from: anlauto on October 11, 2022, 02:30:20 PM
He says he doesn't want a bearing but rather a solid bushing that fits in the same area  :huh:

Yes, once upon a time, mopar had a bushing that was the size of the torque convertor register to allow 4 speeds to fit in an auto crank that had the correct depth hole but not the proper diameter hole for the traditional 4 spd bushing.

Personally, I would not worry about problems with the bearing. Millions of Dakotas and Rams are in service using the bearing and it is not a high risk failure point on vehicles that have been abused in daily driver situations for millions of miles since the 80s.
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: torredcuda on October 11, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
Didn`t realize they made a bushing that went where the newer style bearing goes. I`ve been running the bearing style for 25+ years since I did the four speed conversion with no issues, and I don`t baby it!
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: Filthy Filbert on October 11, 2022, 04:36:53 PM
I guess I glossed over the fact that we're adamant that it's a bushing instead of a greased roller bearing. 

Me personally?  I'll take a roller bearing over a soft bronze bushing any day, but hey, whatever floats your boat. 
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: 7dcuda on October 11, 2022, 06:00:54 PM
Again, I know it's a long shot but if anyone has the big BUSHING type that fits in the crank torque converter register that they don't need please let me know.
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 11, 2022, 09:08:24 PM
Crazy that the bushing is discontinued  every Mopar from the 1940s at least used that same bushing !!
I am sure I have some left but they are 6000 miles away .
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: Fastmark on October 12, 2022, 03:43:33 AM
I agree that the bushing is better than the roller bearing. I've used the bushing ones and that is what I prefer. I only have one left and I'm saving it for my car. Bushings worked for years. I've got a friend that his roller bearing went out and stacked the bearings and ruined the input to his trans. It can happen but probably rare. Can't stack the bushing type. Worst case senario but you could knock out the bearing and install a bushing in place. Might have to turn down the od of the bushing.
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: anlauto on October 12, 2022, 05:00:45 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on October 11, 2022, 09:08:24 PM
Crazy that the bushing is discontinued  every Mopar from the 1940s at least used that same bushing !!
I am sure I have some left but they are 6000 miles away .
Does anybody have a picture of the bushing the OP is looking for ? I don't believe I've ever seen one  :huh:
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: 7dcuda on October 12, 2022, 06:32:01 AM

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Does anybody have a picture of the bushing the OP is looking for ? I don't believe I've ever seen one  :huh:
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It looks identical to the pic I posted earlier in this thread except it has a bronze bushing in the middle instead of the needle bearing.

If anyone has a Bushing type that they'd be willing to part with I'd pay top dollar for it.

Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: Filthy Filbert on October 12, 2022, 07:18:50 AM
why not make one?  buy the needle bearing part that you don't want, punch out the bearing, and press in a bronze bushing?    Even if it requires you to call a local machine shop to turn one on a lathe, it wouldn't be that expensive, and would only take about a week to complete.
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: 7dcuda on October 12, 2022, 07:38:05 AM
Quote from: Filthy Filbert on October 12, 2022, 07:18:50 AM
why not make one?  buy the needle bearing part that you don't want, punch out the bearing, and press in a bronze bushing?    Even if it requires you to call a local machine shop to turn one on a lathe, it wouldn't be that expensive, and would only take about a week to complete.

I've already considered that....and may end up doing that if I can't find one to buy.....it's just a hassle. 
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: TelisSE440 on October 12, 2022, 09:47:20 AM
It was that, i think they sold it back in '15 when i finally got a bearing for mine, bushing didn't fit. Anyway they dont sell it now as far as i know...
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: anlauto on October 12, 2022, 09:50:06 AM
 :rubeyes:
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: TelisSE440 on October 12, 2022, 10:04:50 AM
Don't know if the info is correct but also came on to this...
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: 7dcuda on October 12, 2022, 04:21:08 PM
Yay!  I found the bushing I was looking for...someone had an extra one that they were willing to part with. 

Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: YellowThumper on October 12, 2022, 07:05:52 PM
Would be a simple item to have made. Look up bearing supply houses. Local in SoCal is Bearings and Drives. They would have the bronze blank stock in stock. Probably also would recommend or provide supplier to make what you need. We made custom transmission boxes all tje time for our injection mold.
Bronze that is self lubricating.
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: Chryco Psycho on October 13, 2022, 04:59:43 PM
I have always used the one pictured on the left in the last picture , usually under $4
Title: Re: Pilot Bushing for auto to manual conversion
Post by: anlauto on October 13, 2022, 05:16:20 PM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on October 13, 2022, 04:59:43 PM
I have always used the one pictured on the left in the last picture , usually under $4

me too :bigthumb: