I would like to start a thread about 1970 pilot "JOB-nr" E-bodies from Hamtramck..
Starting with these.. maby someone can add info or knows of any other car?
3-BS23R0B100003--EW1-D21-JOB 5
4-BS27V0B100004--EW1-D31-JOB 8
5-BH27G0B100005--XXX-D32-JOB ?
7-BS23x0B100007--XXX-XXX-JOB ?
8-BH27N0B100008--XXX-XXX-JOB?
9-BP23N0B100009--XXX-XXX-JOB?
10-BS23R0B100010--FE5-D32-JOB 159
12-BS27R0B100012--EF8-D32- JOB ?
13-JH27G0B100013--EW1-D32-JOB 6
15-JS29R0B100015--FE5-D34-JOB 12
Little late, but I have a copy of 100071's build sheet....
JS27V0B100021 was local for many years, interesting history for that one..... The guy who owned it bought it back in the early 70's through "Big Willie" Robinson of "The Brotherhood of Street Racers"
There were allot of unique details, I don't remember allot of them but one I do it the pistol grip shifter, It wasn't stamped "Hurst" like normal production versions..
:takealook: This will be fun to watch.
01-B
02-B
03-BS23R0B100003--EW1-D21- JOB 5
04-BS27V0B100004--EW1-D21- JOB 8
05-BH27G0B100005--XXX-D31- JOB ?
06-B
07-BS23x0B100007--XXX-XXX- JOB ?
08-BH27N0B100008--XXX-XXX- JOB ?
09-BP23N0B100009--XXX-XXX- JOB ?
10-BS23R0B100010--FE5-D32- JOB 159
11-B
12-BS27R0B100012--EF8-D32- JOB ?
13-JH27G0B100013--EW1-D31- JOB 6
14-J
15-JS29R0B100015--FE5-D32- JOB 12
16-J
17-J
18-J
19-JS23V0B100019--FY1-D32- JOB 164
20-JS23R0B100020--XXX-XXX- JOB ?
21-JS27V0B100021--FE5-D21- JOB 166
22-JS27R0B100022--TX9-D21- JOB 16X? "YELLOW JACKET" then "DIAMANTE"
23-J
24-J
25-J
26-J
27-J
28-JS27V0B100028--FC7-D32- JOB 165
anyone ever hear of any 1970 "pilot" Valiants/Dusters? from Hamtramck?
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 22, 2017, 08:46:25 AM
21-JS27V0B100021--FE5-D21- JOB 166
22-JS27R0B100022--TX9-D21- JOB ? "YELLOW JACKET" then "DIAMONTE"
28-JS27V0B100028--FC7-D32- JOB 165
One thing I was told but have no idea if it's true, 021 had evidence of a few paint jobs early in it's life... It was EK2, FC7 & FE5.... I heard it was the car used for the "Shrinking Violet" ad..... But honestly it would make more sense to use 028...... But the fact it was Plum Crazy under the Rally Red makes me wonder.... Anyone know?
:needphotos:
0B100003
0B100004
0B100010
is this 0B100011 or another missing number? or is it a 1969 "photoshopped" version of 0B100010? :thinking:
figured to be 0B100012 :clueless:
0B100019
0B100021
0B100022
This will really be great and interesting to see how this develops. All the information on Pilot Cars and Pre-Production will enjoyable to find out about and how many of these pioneer E-body's are left. Thanks, Al
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 22, 2017, 09:31:41 AM
0B100019
1980s Illinois plates anyone know the story on this one? if its still in my state
0B100015
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 22, 2017, 09:32:39 AM
0B100021
Yeah, now.... Not while it was living around here...... At one point the owner discussed selling it to me... We couldn't agree on the price. He wanted $7000.00.... I couldn't justify more than $5500..... But it was the mid eighties & I knew of a nicer V code vert that had been for sale for awhile & the guy couldn't get $5500 for his.... At the time I knew this one was odd, didn't fully understand why or how special it was... Neither did it's owner....
Quote from: hato on July 22, 2017, 09:57:10 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 22, 2017, 09:31:41 AM
0B100019
1980s Illinois plates anyone know the story on this one? if its still in my state
I believe it went thru a Barrett-Jackson auction at some point
some "PILOT" Challenger pics from magazines "back-in-the-day" I'll "ASSUME" these had VINs :notsure:
:takepicture: & a Barracuda
A few more of the BS27R0B100012--EF8-H6F8 and JS27V0B car--FE5-H6E4 interior.. Need more info on the red Challenger 440 sixpack conv..
Here is some more:
01-B
02-B
03-BS23R0B100003--EW1-D21- JOB 5
04-BS27V0B100004--EW1-D21- JOB 8
05-BH27G0B100005--XXX-D31- JOB ?
06-B
07-BS23x0B100007--XXX-XXX- JOB ?
08-BH27N0B100008--XXX-XXX- JOB ?
09-BP23N0B100009--XXX-XXX- JOB ?
10-BS23R0B100010--FE5-D32- JOB 159
11-B
12-BS27R0B100012--EF8-D32- JOB ?
13-JH27G0B100013--EW1-D31- JOB 6
14-J
15-JS29R0B100015--FE5-D32- JOB 12
16-J
17-J
18-J
19-JS23V0B100019--FY1-D32- JOB 164
20-JS23R0B100020--XXX-XXX- JOB ?
21-JS27V0B100021--FE5-D21- JOB 166
22-JS27R0B100022--TX9-D21- JOB 16X? "YELLOW JACKET" then "DIAMANTE"
23-J
24-J
25-J
26-J
27-J
28-JS27V0B100028--FC7-D32- JOB 165
30-BP23G0B100030--XXX-D32
35-BS23V0B100035--FE5-D32
36-BS23V0B100036--FE5
52-BH23G0B100052--FE5
56-BH23C0B100056
67-BP23G0B100067
71-BP23G0B100071--FE5
81-BH23G0B100081--FE5-C
111-BS23V0B100111--FE5
127-BS23V0B100127
162-XXXXX0B100162--XXX-XXX-JOB 162
166-JS27V0B1000121--XXX-XXX
For added info...
#71 is Job #146 FE5 V1W E44 D31 P6XW A22 car
What is J0B?
Quote from: blown motor on July 23, 2017, 07:12:56 AM
What is J0B?
JOB is something you need to pay the bills.....In this case it refers to the Sequence Number or build order of the cars on a production line.
pre-production "PILOT" cars were numbered with their "BUILD" or "JOB" number to account for them prior to being assigned a VIN
I would estimate the JOB NUMBERS 5 thru 12 accounted for above were built around April/May of 1969 - these tags have many differences in use & coding that differ from production
the above accounted for JOB 159 thru 166 were built around June/July of 1969 and are often found in early advertisements/road tests/etc. - fender tags are looking closer to production pieces.
the "PILOT" JOB NUMBER system covers the entire Chrysler - Plymouth - Dodge product line consecutively 1 thru 166+
the above listed VINs above 0B100028 are PRODUCTION not "PILOT" builds
Quote from: 71REDCUDA on July 23, 2017, 06:19:26 AM
30-BP23G0B100030--XXX-D32 do you have evidence of this, I believe it is actually BP23G0E100030
35-BS23V0B100035--FE5-D32
36-BS23V0B100036--FE5
52-BH23G0B100052--FE5
56-BH23C0B100056
67-BP23G0B100067
71-BP23G0B100071--FE5
81-BH23G0B100081--FE5-C
111-BS23V0B100111--FE5
127-BS23V0B100127
162-XXXXX0B100162--XXX-XXX-JOB 162
166-JS27V0B1000121--XXX-XXX (JS27V0B100021)
these are production cars
NOT "PILOT"
Quote from: anlauto on July 23, 2017, 06:30:00 AM
For added info...
#71 is Job #146 FE5 V1W E44 D31 P6XW A22 car
this Gran Coupe is a production CANADA spec. "PROMO" or "SHOW" car
it was build/job sequence number 146 on assembly line #1 - 1st week of production August 1969
100008 was in this area for awhile back in the 80's. Had a shake on it and the bubble bolted to the hood :crying:
I'll see if I can fins a pic or two...
Thanks for the explaination 6bblgt. So much to still learn. :smile:
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 23, 2017, 07:32:41 AM
pre-production "PILOT" cars were numbered with their "BUILD" or "JOB" number to account for them prior to being assigned a VIN
I would estimate the JOB NUMBERS 5 thru 12 accounted for above were built around April/May of 1969 - these tags have many differences in use & coding that differ from production
the above accounted for JOB 159 thru 166 were built around June/July of 1969 and are often found in early advertisements/road tests/etc. - fender tags are looking closer to production pieces.
the "PILOT" JOB NUMBER system covers the entire Chrysler - Plymouth - Dodge product line consecutively 1 thru 166+
the above listed VINs above 0B100028 are PRODUCTION not "PILOT" builds
Intresting, so even if a car have a JOB-nr it does not need to be a "pilot car"?
Quote from: 71REDCUDA on July 23, 2017, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 23, 2017, 07:32:41 AM
pre-production "PILOT" cars were numbered with their "BUILD" or "JOB" number to account for them prior to being assigned a VIN
I would estimate the JOB NUMBERS 5 thru 12 accounted for above were built around April/May of 1969 - these tags have many differences in use & coding that differ from production
the above accounted for JOB 159 thru 166 were built around June/July of 1969 and are often found in early advertisements/road tests/etc. - fender tags are looking closer to production pieces.
the "PILOT" JOB NUMBER system covers the entire Chrysler - Plymouth - Dodge product line consecutively 1 thru 166+
the above listed VINs above 0B100028 are PRODUCTION not "PILOT" builds
Intresting, so even if a car have a JOB-nr it does not need to be a "pilot car"?
no, a "JOB NUMBER" on a fender tag is going to indicate a pre-production "PILOT" car
JS27V0B100021 (not 0B100121) is JOB 166 & is a pre-production "PILOT" car or is there another car in question?
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 23, 2017, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: 71REDCUDA on July 23, 2017, 11:55:15 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 23, 2017, 07:32:41 AM
pre-production "PILOT" cars were numbered with their "BUILD" or "JOB" number to account for them prior to being assigned a VIN
I would estimate the JOB NUMBERS 5 thru 12 accounted for above were built around April/May of 1969 - these tags have many differences in use & coding that differ from production
the above accounted for JOB 159 thru 166 were built around June/July of 1969 and are often found in early advertisements/road tests/etc. - fender tags are looking closer to production pieces.
the "PILOT" JOB NUMBER system covers the entire Chrysler - Plymouth - Dodge product line consecutively 1 thru 166+
the above listed VINs above 0B100028 are PRODUCTION not "PILOT" builds
Intresting, so even if a car have a JOB-nr it does not need to be a "pilot car"?
no, a "JOB NUMBER" on a fender tag is going to indicate a pre-production "PILOT" car
JS27V0B100021 (not 0B100121) is JOB 166 & is a pre-production "PILOT" car or is there another car in question?
Ok, i was just thinking in general.. Then i got my info wrong about that challenger 440 sixpack conv.. Is 100028 the highest known JOB car?
Also, im a little qurious about the EK2 JS23V0B car with orange shaker. Is this car known today or missing?
Man, this is great info, I really love it! The more I read the more I learn. I'm also recording all of the info here, it's really of great interest to me. Since my '70 Challenger is such an early build out of LA, Monday, 8/18/69 #113, and is a regular production build I really like to know where it fits into the line up. Thanks guys, Al
The 100030 might be the LA car. :twothumbsup:
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 22, 2017, 09:28:58 AM
is this 0B100011 or another missing number? or is it a 1969 "photoshopped" version of 0B100010? :thinking:
The yellow one has the 3 speaker dash.. not sure what the BS23R0B100010 has?
here's the "shrinking violet" ad - the surroundings could very well be the Chelsea Proving Grounds (or anywhere in the Midwest)
383 Challenger R/T - FC7 H6XW V6W A63 G31 G33 J45 M85 - stereo dash, wire wheel covers & RWL F70-14s ('69 MI plates)
Quote from: 6bblgt on July 22, 2017, 09:28:58 AM
is this 0B100011 or another missing number? or is it a 1969 "photoshopped" version of 0B100010? :thinking:
This yellow car has rear defroster & dual front speakers.. not sure R0B100010 has that.
The caption in the above picture says Ronnie and Buddy are posing with the Car Craft Project HemiCuda. Car Craft's project car was an early build car with the VIN BS23R0B111678. It was a Lemon-Twist car with a black interior and an Elastomeric front bumper ... but all the pictures that I have seen of it are with a Six-Pack hood and NO vinyl roof?? I can see Car Craft switching to a Six-Pack hood for racing ... but would they have peeled off the vinyl roof too??
Here's one that always intrigued me ... it's not a '70, but a '71. My understanding is that the following two tags belong to the same car, which later was assigned the VIN BS23R1B100378.
The first tag shows the "VIN" listed as "BS23 CAR 000002". Note the VON listed simply as "CORP" which I assume is short for "Corporate"??
The second tag shows the "VIN" changed to "BS23 CAR 000143". Note that the VON changed too to "M02108"?
And here is the VIN tag now attached to the dashpad which shows it's current VIN of BS23R1B100378
The interesting story that I have heard about this car is that it was a "pilot", or some kind of test vehicle where it was built and retained by corporate. These cars were usually scrapped or auctioned off at the end of the model year. The story goes that a customer went to his Plymouth dealer very late in the '71 model year to order a HemiCuda. He was told that he was "too late" and that corporate was not taking any more orders for HemiCudas. I don't know if it was the customer who persisted, or if it was the dealership, but calls were made to corporate and it was found that this HemiCuda was still on the corporate books as a company owned "pilot" or test vehicle. More calls, wheeling and dealing were made and the car was released from corporate ownership and shipped to the dealer and the very happy customer. I don't know if there is any truth to this story ... or if it's just an urban legend ... but it makes for a good story!!
I think the first fender tag pic is the same tag, just photoshopped :takealook:
So if I'm reading your comments correctly Dan ... you're saying the "CAR 00143" may be the correct tag for this car ... and that the "CAR 000002" tag may be a Photo-Shop'd impostor?? I don't get it ... what would be the point of making the tag look like "CAR 000002"??
yes, look at the "N96" & "Y93" on both tags :alan2cents: same tag, one pic was altered
:dunno: maybe it was an attempt to hide or obscure its full identity when the car was freshly restored
a picture of the car from ~'72
& more recently at one of the MATS shows ~10 :huh: years ago
Quote from: RzeroB on January 20, 2020, 01:12:00 PM
The caption in the above picture says Ronnie and Buddy are posing with the Car Craft Project HemiCuda. Car Craft's project car was an early build car with the VIN BS23R0B111678. It was a Lemon-Twist car with a black interior and an Elastomeric front bumper ... but all the pictures that I have seen of it are with a Six-Pack hood and NO vinyl roof?? I can see Car Craft switching to a Six-Pack hood for racing ... but would they have peeled off the vinyl roof too??
Im prett sure the BS23R0B111678 is a later car they used.. either its a color change of 100010 or a different car, check out the early V6X Hemi stripe.. 111678 would not have this stripe.
Nothing to add....but I love a 71 in sassy grass :drooling:
That photo with Ronnie and Buddy is the red car that was used in early advertising. The yellow paint is airbrushed from the art department at the advertising agency.
I actually have something to add to this.... but from 1971.
This car is local to me, I think it was in a magazine once. Like any car it's full of scandal. Not sure what it is but a lot of people believe the car is not what it is. I don't know, I don't have an opinion. However if it is real, it's super early. BS27N1B100005
Very cool information! Kind of like a movie plot. :popcorn:
Quote from: 72 Challenger on January 21, 2020, 08:54:05 AM
I actually have something to add to this.... but from 1971.
This car is local to me, I think it was in a magazine once. Like any car it's full of scandal. Not sure what it is but a lot of people believe the car is not what it is. I don't know, I don't have an opinion. However if it is real, it's super early. BS27N1B100005
From what I recall, the car was allegedly born as a BH27L but got watered with some miracle-gro or something and turned into a well optioned BS27N?
I know someone on here would know the story.
Quote from: EV2RTSE on January 21, 2020, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: 72 Challenger on January 21, 2020, 08:54:05 AM
I actually have something to add to this.... but from 1971.
This car is local to me, I think it was in a magazine once. Like any car it's full of scandal. Not sure what it is but a lot of people believe the car is not what it is. I don't know, I don't have an opinion. However if it is real, it's super early. BS27N1B100005
From what I recall, the car was allegedly born as a BH27L but got watered with some miracle-gro or something and turned into a well optioned BS27N?
Exactly :iagree:
See: Whats the problem with getting a new VIN plate? No biggie right?
I wonder what ever became of that car ? That had to be the stupidest change someone could have ever attempted....it ended up being VERY public...
Claude used to own it ...perhaps still does
Anyone have info about this very early built FC7 70 Challenger 440 sixpack conv with color matched shaker.
From the Doge commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWrGzvWqF_w
JS27V0B100XXX-FC7-H6XW-V6W-M91-N96
I love this thread about the early built pilot E-bodies! :twothumbsup:
FYI, two of these pilot cars are now being put up for sale (again) at the Mecum Gallery Exposition Sale at Mecum Kissimmee 2021.
- BS27V0B100004 ($350,000 HIGH BID · Aug 16, 2019) :bigmoney:
- JS27V0B100021 ($380,000 HIGH BID · Aug 16, 2019) :bigmoney:
See also: https://www.mecum.com/auctions/kissimmee-2021/collections/mecum-gallery-exposition-sale/
Regarding the purple car used in the commercial, as Shaker hoods were not available for Challengers until Spring of 1970, i would doubt this car was coded for a shaker.
So, more likely looking for that car without the N96 option.
A lot of marketing cars get used and abused by the company and by the time they make it to a dealer are a bit worn out.
Quote from: 72 Challenger on January 21, 2020, 08:54:05 AM
I actually have something to add to this.... but from 1971.
This car is local to me, I think it was in a magazine once. Like any car it's full of scandal. Not sure what it is but a lot of people believe the car is not what it is. I don't know, I don't have an opinion. However if it is real, it's super early. BS27N1B100005
It is an early car, it started life as BH27L1B100005 and was B5 on a blue interior. Sold new in Winnipeg IIRC.
There was a small batch of B5 383-2 convertibles made as promo cars for central and western Canada, starting with BH27L1B100002 with 5-7 cars made in total.
The Dodge side of the family used non-R/T 340 Challenger hard tops. Hemi Orange/black/3-speed stick, louvres, wide hood chrome etc. Again, about 5-7 made for western Canada beginning with JH23H1B100135 or so
It started with BH27L1B100001 not 100002
1970 EARLY BUILT PILOT E-BODIES
I'd like to play..
Is this for anyone, or just the "Regulars"? 🤔
There might be some missing in your lists.
With your vast knowledge we wish you were "a regular" :drinkingbud:
Everybody is always welcome to contribute :grouphug:
Quote from: cudaized on February 18, 2021, 02:50:16 PM
1970 EARLY BUILT PILOT E-BODIES
I'd like to play..
Is this for anyone, or just the "Regulars"? 🤔
There might be some missing in your lists.
And with that, this thread died. Perhaps it's time for a resurrection. Any other info to add to this list?
@cudaized (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cudaized_212)
@71REDCUDA (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/71redcuda_426)
@6bblgt (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/6bblgt_211)
I might have one to add, I'll ask....
So far, from the earlier list on this thread the cars that I have interest in are the following.
Does anyone have any info on these? Were any of these early BH cars M46's?
BH27G0B100005 --XXX-D31- JOB ?
BH27N0B100008
BH23G0B100052 --FE5
BH23C0B100056
BH23G0B100081 --FE5-C
BH27G0B100005 --XXX-D31- JOB ?
BH27N0B100008 - NOT M46
BH23G0B100052 --FE5 - NOT M46
BH23C0B100056
BH23G0B100081 --FE5-C M46 car :banana: but it is DEAD & GONE :'(
Quote from: 6bblgt on May 30, 2022, 07:11:11 PM
BH27G0B100005 --XXX-D31- JOB ?
BH27N0B100008 - NOT M46
BH23G0B100052 --FE5 - NOT M46
BH23C0B100056
BH23G0B100081 --FE5-C M46 car :banana: but it is DEAD & GONE :'(
Dan: Are the six digit numbers at the end of each VIN, UNIQUE, or are there duplicates? What I mean is: Can there be a car that is 0E100030 and one that is 0B100030?
Good question. I was wondering the same.
Quote from: 6bblgt on May 30, 2022, 07:11:11 PM
BH23G0B100081 --FE5-C M46 car :banana: but it is DEAD & GONE :'(
Dead and gone! That sucks. Crushed? That is not mentioned on hamtramck historical.
What is mentioned is that ** VIN tag for sale illegally on Ebay 4-2009.
Obviously I can't find the ad as ebay removes things quickly.
Just because a vin was sold doesn't mean the car was crushed. Dash's get replaced all the time, even today.
Quote from: cuda hunter on May 31, 2022, 06:48:43 AM
Quote from: 6bblgt on May 30, 2022, 07:11:11 PM
BH23G0B100081 --FE5-C M46 car :banana: but it is DEAD & GONE :'(
Dead and gone! That sucks. Crushed? That is not mentioned on hamtramck historical.
What is mentioned is that ** VIN tag for sale illegally on Ebay 4-2009.
Obviously I can't find the ad as ebay removes things quickly.
Just because a vin was sold doesn't mean the car was crushed. Dash's get replaced all the time, even today.
The eBay auction for that fender tag stated that the tag was the only thing left of the car. It was for sale out of British Columbia, Canada, at the time. It took about three auctions before it finally sold.
Ok, so just word of mouth that the car was gone. Unfortunate really, better than a picture of a metal cube.
For all we know, the definition of gone for the seller is that it is rusted and in 3 pieces in the bottom of his ditch on the back of his property. With no pictures or a lead, the shell could be out there still. Not that I expect it is restorable.
Quote from: 198D13 on May 31, 2022, 06:14:00 AM
Dan: Are the six digit numbers at the end of each VIN, UNIQUE, or are there duplicates? What I mean is: Can there be a car that is 0E100030 and one that is 0B100030?
yes, there are:
0A123456
0B123456
0C123456
0D123456
0E123456
0F123456
0G123456
&
0R123456
Chrysler Corp. passenger cars for the 1970 model year
Well, someone out there must have pictures of said fender tag/vin tag bh23G0B1000081.
:vipermanhiding: :console: :notsure:
what's it worth to you? :P
I'll buy you a beer sometime. :cheers:
I'm constantly amazed at how much information is held on this site.
Often times it's just a matter of asking!
Thanks!!