My girl found this parked outside. We stopped by I made her go to the door. Turns out. All original. Original owner. Has bil of sale. Full documentation. Dad left it but no interest. They recently parked it outside to make room for more kids toys...4 kids.ect. Family is finally ready to sell. Anyways. Mom says 42,350. Got down 3K Uhg. What do u think?
We are first in line. She is old can't haggle. She's in Illinois.
383 auto...
I test drove it. Drives like 45,000 mi car. Tight. Pretty dry. Surface mostly. A little behind the hood springs. Pics are of the worst. Original paint. Frames all look good.
No bubbles inter the vinyl top. But notice the b pillar seam. It's an Illinois car but always garaged. Until now. New radiator and battery obviously...
What shld I do ?
How does inside the trunk and wheel wells look?
Assuming numbers matching, I would say 45-50k.
I think it's a pretty fair price. They don't all need to be restored. It seems like a car that someone can use as is and make little improvements to make the car better
They are on the money. IMHO.
Don't find many "survivor" cars.
I'd drop 35K cash in their lap and see if they take it.
Looks like your girl really likes the car. Her smile is probably worth the other 7500.00 if she's a driver...
" I'd drop 35K cash in their lap and see if they take it."
:alan2cents: :alan2cents: :alan2cents:
I like that approach. Buy it and drive it.
Otherwise, paint, bodywork, odds and ends, etc. adds up to $30 - $40k additional minimum. All depends on what you want to do with the car. If the rust doesn't bother you, great. If it bothers you, looking at bodywork and a paint job.
Probably a $45-$50k car with no rust and good paint. It looks very nice and has a desirable color. Buy it and see if you love it. If not, sell it and get your money back.
Also, check for rust under the vinyl top.
I think that will look really good once cleaned up. I would keep it as-is as well. Please buy it and save it from that unappreciative woman. That car deserves better than being kicked outside in the weather. It won't lose value in the future as long as it's kept under cover when not being driven.
Sorry. Been having technical difficulties here. Uhg.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU all for the responses. I've done all I can here to save this car.
So the car is here in Colorado. Getting cooked everyday. BAD. And the guy won't do anything. He's in the middle between 85 yr old mom. And me. He's a lawyer. Don't care. Uhg. I'm basically freaking out. It's cooking.
I'm scraping up the 40K but that's it. Not 42. I'll pay the 350 for her bring a trailer garbage. Uhg. But HE SHOULD NOT HAVE PUT IT OUTSIDE!!!!
I'm furious. And tip toeing through the bull. Meanwhile. Uhg.
So ya. That's where I'm at. Gonna get it under cover and deal with it as I can. Will definitely need the factory look guys help with this one.
I knew this was the place to go for advice. Thanks again. Good to hear from you!!!
Sorry ... :vipermanhiding: forgot to mention....
I'm a car whisperer...
good looking car - it does NOT need or deserve a restoration (clean, detail, repair, preserve)
E-bodies do NOT have a B-pillar (A is the windshield-pillar & C is the rear glass-pillar)
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on June 30, 2024, 09:04:46 AMI think that will look really good once cleaned up. I would keep it as-is as well. Please buy it and save it from that unappreciative woman. That car deserves better than being kicked outside in the weather. It won't lose value in the future as long as it's kept under cover when not being driven.
With you.... Eh ONLY reason I'm even involved is his wife told us their reserve was 30K. So I thought sure 35. Then granny said 45 and I was like no way. Uhg. I'd just clean it up as I go and have fun...
Soooo. I'm done. Since he parked it outside this long I'm not that interested anymore. Sure if it was parked inside. But it's like the surface of the sun out here.
If anyone wants to take a shot at this just let me know. Otherwise screw this guy. He doesn't deserve it that's for sure.
Gonna see if I can contact his mother and let her know what he's done...
I sure do understand that sentiment.
Screw that guy!!
It is a nice car. Difficult to find one that nice that appears to be original (or close to it). Someone needs to grab this one.
If the car was parked inside a garage you probably never would have seen it.
Back in the day these cars sat outside and were driven all year round.
Will be up on bring a trailer after the dash cracks.... :barf:
Getting it on the lift tomorrow... finally !! Will take pics and keep u posted.... :takemymoney:
Nice!! Can't wait to see some details about the car.
Well... you're right on with the price. For me. 35K. 36K. That's it. It's been repainted. Old paint is "checking". Small cracks. Rust. But not too bad. Original engine/trans.
Great starting point for me. Considering no roof replacement needed...
Frames are solid and straight. Newer exhaust,W/P,starter.... Ect.
Drives good. Solid. Doors are great! Great glass and interior. Very complete. Trunk floor and cowl are good. Trunk returns are great!
Just minor damage to the front valance. And rear bumper. Grille is perfect.
Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of work. But I'm ok at 35K.
What do u guys think ?
Yup $35k is the right price and clean up what's there so you (I think your wife actually by the smile on her face) can drive and enjoy it. If you want a perfectly painted/restore beauty it'll cost tons to bring it up to that level although all the parts are there (well mostly anyway). The only way it's worth making a showcar (and they aren't really drivable) is if you're capable of doing the paint and body yourself and don't put cash value on your hours.
More...
That baby is sweet!
Fix those couple little rust areas and clean the hell outta that car and it'll be a great car!!
Does it retain it's broadcast sheet?
Perhaps it still has it's window sticker or order form?
Any other factory documentation?
Has original bill of sale. I would love to have it. I'd save it. My plan would be to pull the original engine. Shoot the bay. Get a good 383/440 with efi 4 barrel. Then drive it and fix it down low. Save money. Then go for paint. Leave the top,glass,trim... add power discs. 15x10" wheels out back. Tires. Full Hotchkis level 2. Oh I'm dreamn. But u get the idea.
I am fully capable of show paint. And anything on this car no problem.
Here's some of my work....
Just messn around tho. My buddies girls nova. I rolled it in glitter....
Cuda held its own.
Sorry for the terrible pix. Time for a new phonO
Your work is phenomenal.
I truly enjoyed following your build.
Thanks. Couldn't have done it without you guys. Would love to share the challenger journey with everyone here. hope he sells it to us because I don't know of a better owner. Ha.
Well here it is on BAT :lurking:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-dodge-challenger-r-t-2/
Interesting looking at the pictures, this car has a SBD 3 days before my 71 V code Challenger, and a lower VIN #. Its door sticker says 11-70 and my sticker is 10-70.
I know SBDs and actual build dates are often not the same, but I wonder why this one ended up being in November.
"The car's title lists the VIN as J523N1B192900, whereas its actual chassis number is JS23N1B192900."
That seems like a problem!!
Bid up to 4k so far....
10K now, but with 6 days to go, we're a long way from seeing how high the bidding will go on this car on BAT.
I'm watching it to see how much excitement a '71 gets. I have been trying to sell my '71 V code Challenger off and on for a number of years with little attention given to it by potential buyers, which has been frustrating and baffling to me. I've toyed with the idea of running it on BAT to see if that site gets it some real interest.
The commenters on the auction think its a survivor, but from this thread I got the idea it's been repainted. Does a car qualify as a survivor if repainted?
My bet is it gets up to the $35k. If it was an orange Cuda it would go higher. A dealer would be smart to buy it, fluff up the paint and run it through BJ. It's not a car now but a commodity, too bad.
Quote from: JH27N0B on August 09, 2024, 06:58:16 AM10K now, but with 6 days to go, we're a long way from seeing how high the bidding will go on this car on BAT.
I'm watching it to see how much excitement a '71 gets. I have been trying to sell my '71 V code Challenger off and on for a number of years with little attention given to it by potential buyers, which has been frustrating and baffling to me. I've toyed with the idea of running it on BAT to see if that site gets it some real interest.
The commenters on the auction think it's a survivor, but from this thread I got the idea it's been repainted. Does a car qualify as a survivor if repainted?
No, not a survivor if it's been repainted. :alan2cents:
I'm also interested to see where the price ends up.
Might be selling a 71 R/T myself.
3 days no movement.
Seems the seller might have been better off to have just sold it to
@IMNCARN82 .
What is the fee on BAT?
Well. Can't thank you enough for tagging me in that post and alerting us to the BAT ad. We knew eventually that might happen. So after not being able to come to an agreement on price. They have chosen to list it online. Now my girl is on BAT and still in on the action. Ha. This epic saga continues for your viewing pleasure. I'm kinda over the whole thing really. But love these cars too much. Uhg. Auction ends tomorrow. She's preparing herself. Ha. Wish us luck.... Not goin past a point.
:popcorn:
I'm pulling for you to get it cheaper than what you offered. I'm just not a fan of realtor types trying to max out their profit. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: cuda hunter on August 11, 2024, 11:35:57 AM3 days no movement.
Seems the seller might have been better off to have just sold it to @IMNCARN82 .
What is the fee on BAT?
$99 if you take your own pics or $399 if they send out a photographer
A lot of times the bid price doesn't move much until the last day or hours
Bidder pays 5% of bid at time of bid. Only winning bidder is charged. Or some B.S. not going past a certain point. And we know what their reserve is. As that's what the wife told me on price. And to which I agreed to. But it didn't go that way. Granny wanted 45K. So ya. Would be cool to save it. But I'm not doing it for nothing. And I ain't nobody.
And no sellers premium. The buyer pays a 5% premium with a max of $7500 I believe it is.
I did go ahead and submitted my '71 V code to BaT last weekend. They got back to me yesterday and are pushing me to lower the reserve I want by $10K. I misunderstood when I submitted the car thinking there was a sellers premium, so factoring that in, I would lower my reserve, but not quite that much! Their pushing me about my desired reserve makes me wonder if they really would have took that 383 car with a 45K reserve.
I don't know if they will be OK with compromising on reserves or if they are hard nosed about it, I guess I'll find out soon!
I think value wise my '71 is fairly equivalent to this 70 that sold in June, and I'm now hoping to get the reserve on mine in the mid 80s.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-dodge-challenger-r-t-24/
With a day left, the N Code bidding on BaT is starting to show some life again, now over 15K. I think it will get into the 30s, mid to high 30s is my guess.
The paint is cracking bad on both sides from the belt line down. Someone is going to be disappointed. It's not in the photos and not properly addressed in the ad. Pretty sad. I bet whoever buys it will be dissatisfied and refuse delivery. I would.
I follow BaT for my interest in non mopars.
Prices on what I follow have come down a bit.
I have never seen mopars get the love they deserve on that site.
I would say get your money together, as it could go fo less than your ideal price.
Then....it doesn't say no reserve, or reserve off. So depending on how hard the BaT staff chiseled them on their reserve, your bid might not matter.
But I would be prepared to jump in after the first 2 min bid period.
I won't be bidding. Good luck!
@JH27NOB your car is a gem, that with all these conversations, I cannot believe no one has contacted you.
I cannot buy another car, but I love it.
Yes it compares favorably against that BaT listing
Quote from: Mr Cuda on August 14, 2024, 04:16:36 PM@JH27NOB your car is a gem, that with all these conversations, I cannot believe no one has contacted you.
I cannot buy another car, but I love it.
Yes it compares favorably against that BaT listing
It's baffling to me for sure. It's a beautiful car. I truly think I'm cursed!
But I'm really burned out from running ads, I have no more patience for picture collectors who ghost me after I take the time to respond to their inquiry with pictures and additional info on the car, and they don't even have the courtesy to then reply after I do that. Flakes! :headbang:
And all the Richard Rawlings wannabes whose first question when contacting me is "what's the lowest price you'll take?". Even bigger flakes! :headbang: :headbang:
So I contacted Volo Auto Museum a few weeks ago about consigning the car to them. And those flakes ghosted me!
A local friend has a total unicorn Pontiac; 68 Parisienne 2+2 convertible 4 speed, 427.
Not a typo, it has a factory Chevy 427! Canadian car one of 3 made. Last year he hired a professional photographer to photograph the car, and submitted it to BaT. They turned it down!
I don't get it... :notsure:
If BaT refuses my car I'm about out of ideas. Time to move to a place with a bigger garage I guess, as I can't ever manage to sell anything I own and having a car stored away I rarely see is not good.
Ha. Ya. Well. I got that curse too. Don't feel bad. Seriously. I can't sell anything and if I do. I tend to attract total nut-jobs. Don't ask about scarecrow. Or scary for short and the 55 Tbird.... I should write a book. Not sure on your car specifically. Didn't know you were selling. I'm on a budget if there is such a thing. As for BaT it is BuNk if ya ask me. Don't become a bottom feeder.... Uhg.
@IMNCARN82 I think you have the right attitude about the whole thing. When the BAT auction ends without the car meeting the reserve and selling, the seller will of course be a little disappointed and maybe even a bit frustrated. It could very well play in your favor. It creates "tension" for the seller and whether they know it or not, they want to relieve that tension. That would be the perfect time to swing by with your briefcase full of cash. Flash that cash and offer them a bit less than your original offer. :takemymoney: They might surprise you by accepting your offer. :bigmoney:
It never ceases to amaze me how these cars attract the scum of the earth. And the nicest people I've ever met....
Current Bid: $20,750
Ends in
4:08:11
Just dropped the kid off at school in the cuda. First day request. Ha. Drive by the challenger. It's totally cooked. I feel as though I should warn everyone on BaT that it's been parked outside all year and that both sides have been repainted and is cracking badly. This seller is scum. And it's not right.
Sold for $32,500. Sounds like if you were offering $35,000 they would have been better off just selling it to you!
With the buyers fee, the buyer will be paying $34K and change for it, and shipping unless they are close enough to pick it up.
Winning bid $32,500.
Ummm. She won the bid. Car is ours.
I will say congratulations, but....
This would have been a whole lot easier if the people had been reasonable.
In the end you got it at a price you were prepared for, so thats a win.
Ya. I hear you. My life is this epic saga on a planet of hairless apes. So I lurk around here. Where the goodness of humanity shines brightly.
Clean it up and fix the paint, and you'll have yourself a great Challenger! Congrats :cheers:
@JH27N0B Do you have a thread on here with pictures of your car?
Quote from: headejm on August 15, 2024, 12:46:17 PM@JH27N0B Do you have a thread on here with pictures of your car?
https://forum.e-bodies.org/cars-for-sale-or-wanted/8/for-sale-1971-challenger-rt-440-6-pack/30253/
Quote from: JH27N0B on August 15, 2024, 01:02:14 PMQuote from: headejm on August 15, 2024, 12:46:17 PM@JH27N0B Do you have a thread on here with pictures of your car?
https://forum.e-bodies.org/cars-for-sale-or-wanted/8/for-sale-1971-challenger-rt-440-6-pack/30253/
:happybday:
Love it !! Burnt autumn bronze ? That's the color my cuda was.
Congrats on the car. I'm really glad it didn't go to a dealer/fluffer/flipper. That is my personal favorite type of car to buy, but without the drama. You know exactly what you've got. Fresh paint always raises doubts.
Good news, I guess. BaT accepted my '71, after some back and forth negotiating the reserve.
Now I need to go get the car and take a buttload of pictures and probably a video too. I wonder how it works with when the car gets listed, I am going to be tied up for a week or so with getting things ready for and traveling to Moparty and don't want to have the additional stress of monitoring my auction during the same timeframe.
Quote from: IMNCARN82 on August 15, 2024, 07:33:12 AMJust dropped the kid off at school in the cuda. First day request. Ha. Drive by the challenger. It's totally cooked. I feel as though I should warn everyone on BaT that it's been parked outside all year and that both sides have been repainted and is cracking badly. This seller is scum. And it's not right.
I was watching the auction and was hoping you got it.
Now you get to deal with the "scum seller".........LOL
Seller does not know we won the auction online yet. I'm going to wear a body cam and pull up in the cuda.... :deadhorse:
Looks like you saved a G anyway. That's good news!
So ya. This is Gettn weird. Lookn for Some therapy...
The seller is being difficult on BaT. He's breached the contract. Gone so far as to threaten to sell it to the second highest bidder. Who is aware of this posting. At this point. I'm thinking lawsuit for our losses. Not sure I even want the car. Seller has cursed it. Same exact car just sold on cars.com for 59. So 23 to restore. Eh. I'll just save up a little more and buy something nice.
Uhg
That's ridiculous!
Some people are just a pain in the ass.
Hope it works out for ya.
Are you walking away from the car then?
Thanks for keeping us posted.
@IMNCARN82 Did you end up walking away from this?
We are preparing our lawsuit against BaT.
Very interesting. Please keep us in the loop.
I am very curious of the process and outcome.
Quote from: IMNCARN82 on November 23, 2024, 09:10:45 AMWe are preparing our lawsuit against BaT.
Sounds like a money loser. Walking away would be cheaper.